Value of brulosophy exbeeriments, others experience, myths and beliefs

[grampamark]

I doubt if even kittens can save this thread but, just in case, here’s a picture of the 4 day old kittens one of our barn cats had on the backseat of an old car body behind the machine shed.

This is a forum for hobbyist homebrewers. The Brulosophy guys found a way to monetize a hobby. BF deal. You may now return to your regularly scheduled argument over how many homebrewing angels should be allowed to dance on the head of the scientific pin.

 

[Chuckbergman]

IIRC, in those threads, there are a couple of people who offered "no boil, DME (or LME), pasteurized" recipes for styles other than NEIPA.

I did a no boil NEIPA last year. Just a 3 gal. batch to test the process. The beer was good, definitely not great and definitely not as good a my traditional boil NEIPA recipe. Using only DME you get a very light body. The hop flavors and juiciness did come thru.

 

[eric19312]

I did a no boil NEIPA last year. Just a 3 gal. batch to test the process. The beer was good, definitely not great and definitely not as good a my traditional boil NEIPA recipe. Using only DME you get a very light body. The hop flavors and juiciness did come thru.

You got a p value on that comparison? @Chuckbergman claims to have proven no boil NEIPA sucks folks. Move along nothing to see here.

 

[eric19312]

oh @Chuckbergman just noticed you are pretty new here. Green font is sarcasm. Didn't mean to pick on you thanks for sharing the experience!

 

[dmtaylor]

You may now return to your regularly scheduled argument over how many homebrewing angels should be allowed to dance on the head of the scientific pin.

Or, camels dancing in the eye of a needle?!

 

[Taket_al_Tauro]

This is a forum for hobbyist homebrewers. The Brulosophy guys found a way to monetize a hobby. BF deal. You may now return to your regularly scheduled argument over how many homebrewing angels should be allowed to dance on the head of the scientific pin.

I think homebrewers can become so passionate (obsessive?) about this hobby that sometimes we tend to go beyond what most ordinary people would consider a sane discourse. I said we because I obviously put myself into this category as well. Hell I still regret my involvement in an absolutely pointless argument with the **************** folks about one year ago.

 

[beersk]

I think homebrewers can become so passionate (obsessive?) about this hobby that sometimes we tend to go beyond what most ordinary people would consider a sane discourse. I said we because I obviously put myself into this category as well. Hell I still regret my involvement in an absolutely pointless argument with the **************** folks about one year ago.

I can guess who you're referring to as there aren't really any other people that anyone starts huge arguments with on the homebrewing forums since, oh, about March of 2016. Although, admittedly I am one of those people since those early days, but not one to argue about it. But I'd put myself into this obsessive category as well and it seems to have gotten worse with the pandemic/wfh life. I'm trying to work on that.

 

[Taket_al_Tauro]

it seems to have gotten worse with the pandemic/wfh life. I'm trying to work on that.

Same here

 

[BrewnWKopperKat]

I did a no boil NEIPA last year. Just a 3 gal. batch to test the process. The beer was good, definitely not great and definitely not as good a my traditional boil NEIPA recipe. Using only DME you get a very light body. The hop flavors and juiciness did come thru.

The "no boil, DME, pasturized" technique works for some, doesn't work for others.

I posted the links to help others find the the topics that were mentioned.

 

[Deadalus]

One of the first things a homebrewer friend said to me after I completed my brewing rig was "Now you can Brulosophy that s&$t!" Although perhaps not evident, my friend is a scientist and was referring to paired sampling, which is extremely helpful in cutting out the noise (up to the split) from variations in brewing different batches. It's a good tool to add your toolbox and if people are picking that up from Brulosophy that's a plus all around.

 

[Nubiwan]

oh @Chuckbergman just noticed you are pretty new here. Green font is sarcasm. Didn't mean to pick on you thanks for sharing the experience!

I need to change my default text colour to green FFS. A lot of "seriosity" on this thread.

 

[Nubiwan]

Very few people would envy my equipment. I've got a nice bag , but beyond that...

I have brewed about 160 batches on my stove top in a 4-gallon kettle and various kitchen pots. I still bottle most batches but recently got a uKeg Go 128-oz. That's as high tech as I get here. And -- I do not mean to show off but just stating a fact -- still manage to have a drawer full of ribbons and medals. YMMV.

Cheers all.

Well, shame on you Dave. My first greenie - eughh!

 

[Nubiwan]

I doubt if even kittens can save this thread but, just in case, here’s a picture of the 4 day old kittens one of our barn cats had on the backseat of an old car body behind the machine shed.View attachment 725011
This is a forum for hobbyist homebrewers. The Brulosophy guys found a way to monetize a hobby. BF deal. You may now return to your regularly scheduled argument over how many homebrewing angels should be allowed to dance on the head of the scientific pin.

Not sure they are alone monetizing their website. Seems homebrewtalk is interested in where I go too. What's good for the goose.

 

[IslandLizard]

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[cmac62]

oh @Chuckbergman just noticed you are pretty new here. Green font is sarcasm. Didn't mean to pick on you thanks for sharing the experience!

2011 is recent. Dang, i'm a total noob. LOL

 

[cmac62]

Well, shame on you Dave. My first greenie - eughh!

That was my first too. I learn so much from this site. LOL

 

[eric19312]

hmm right you are I was looking at 36 posts since joining thats a lot of lurking

 

[cmac62]

hmm right you are I was looking at 36 posts since joining thats a lot of lurking

I didn't even know that was there. Learn something new all the time.

 

[BQ&W]

I need to change my default text colour to green FFS. A lot of "seriosity" on this thread.

I'm here for the "seriosity"!

 

[Nubiwan]

I like sites that do testing of different methods. Exercise the thought process, rather than try define it.

These fellas don't seem to get many mentions on HBT. Some more interesting stuff that they have their own members try and compare, and report finings. I read a couple of them. Interesting! So a shout out to them is all this is.

https://www.experimentalbrew.com/

 

[dmtaylor]

Well, shame on you Dave. My first greenie - eughh!

If I had to use green every time I was being sarcastic, I'd be using green all the time. Meh.

See, I'm more of a winky kind of guy.

 

[eric19312]

I enjoy their podcast too. Too much ukulele but otherwise enjoyable.

 

[dmtaylor]

I enjoy their podcast too. Too much ukulele but otherwise enjoyable.

I can't listen to them anymore. The ukulele is one of the better parts IMO.

It's almost funnier when you don't turn it green.

 

[Nubiwan]

If I had to use green every time I was being sarcastic, I'd be using green all the time. Meh.

See, I'm more of a winky kind of guy.

Yes, I'm resorting back to smileys too. Keep it simple, eh? Never heard of the green thing, except when my brew is new.

 

[beersk]

I have been here for a while and haven't noticed the green font thing either. The more ya know...

 

[Hwk-I-St8]

Green font is new to me. I've been around here for 7 years.

 

[WesBrew]

“ how many angels can dance on the head of a scientific pin.” Lol .
ive enjoyed the experiments that I watched. I’m sure not going to do it. As noted above by someone, my takeaway was that close is good enough, except for maybe sanitizing

 

[cmac62]

A winkie is way easier than changing the font color.

 

[Nubiwan]

From the Brulosophy article today: "Out of the 12 of 21 blind tasters who were able to distinguish a beer fermented with Saflager W-34/70 at 60˚F/16˚C from the same beer fermented at 82˚F/28˚C, 7 selected the warm ferment beer as their preferred, 2 chose the cool ferment sample, 2 felt there was a difference but had no preference, and 1 thought there was no difference. This doesn’t mean the warm ferment lager was necessarily better, just that of the participants who were correct, a majority liked it more than the cool fermented sample."

I feel like this paragraph helps explain my position. The majority of people enjoyed the warm fermented lager v. the cold (or "properly") fermented lager. You know what this means to me? These people don't like lagers, lol. What it really means, is the exbeeriment returned a significant result, the beers were different.

I could look at your conclusion and say, surely there is enough variance within lager flavours, even fermented under cold conditions, to say there are lagers that taste great, some that tast pretty mundane. I dont have to be a lager drinker to tell you which lager i prefer. I make lagers, but i am not a lager drinker. Prefer ambers or pales. I stll like to have lager available in my fridge. Certainly a czech style.

All i would infer from experiment like this one, is that you might be able to make a decent lager with warm fermentation. So i might try it and see.

Id say some of my brewing process is simplified thanks to brulosophy experiments, and my own results.