Using Willamatte and Columbus together?

[Homer]

I'm going to brew a sort of easy pale ale today, I've brewed the recipe before, but wanted to change up the hops to whatever I had on hand, if possible. Let me know what you think of the following recipe :

6.00 lb Light DME
0.25 lb Crystal 60 (steeped)
0.50 lb Crystal 40 (steeped)

0.50 oz Columbus 14.4% @ 60 min
1.00 oz Willamette 4.7% @ 10 min
0.50 oz Columbus 14.4% @ 0 min

Safale US-05

How does the hop schedule look?

I want it to have some nice flavor and not very bitter. I'm having a party April 10th and need something easy to drink for the people who don't want the Black IPA I will also have on tap.

 

[HBHoss]

I entered it into BrewSmith and for an American Pale Ale it falls within the style guidelines. Can't say how it will taste but it should be fine.
Good luck!

 

[Homer]

Yeah, im a little worried about how it tastes, since I have never used these two hops together.

 

[HBHoss]

Both of those hops are suggested for pale ales so it should taste fine.

 

[unionrdr]

Well,I'm looking at the hop description chart at freshops.com,& they say Columbus,though a bittering hop,has a mix of sharp & herbal taste. I'm guessing a crisp,herby flavor. And the Willamette,an aroma hop (I'm gunna dry hop with an ounce of this) is said by them to be floraly,fruity,earthy,& spicy. So,the Willamette might be a nice contrast to the sharp/herby Columbus.

 

[Homer]

Well,I'm looking at the hop description chart at freshops.com,& they say Columbus,though a bittering hop,has a mix of sharp & herbal taste. I'm guessing a crisp,herby flavor. And the Willamette,an aroma hop (I'm gunna dry hop with an ounce of this) is said by them to be floraly,fruity,earthy,& spicy. So,the Willamette might be a nice contrast to the sharp/herby Columbus.

So would you suggest changing up the hop schedule a little and split the willametts up a little to:

0.50 oz Columbus 14.4% @ 60 min
0.50 oz Willamette 4.7% @ 10 min
0.50 oz Willamette 4.7% @ 0 min
0.50 oz Columbus 14.4% @ 0 min

 

[unionrdr]

So would you suggest changing up the hop schedule a little and split the willametts up a little to:

0.50 oz Columbus 14.4% @ 60 min
0.50 oz Willamette 4.7% @ 10 min
0.50 oz Willamette 4.7% @ 0 min
0.50 oz Columbus 14.4% @ 0 min

That looks pretty good,but maybe do the whole ounce of Willamette at 10 mins. The bittering from the Columbus May need more contrast from the flavors/aromas of the Willamette. Too my thinking,anyway...

 

[Toecutter]

I use a lot of Columbus. There is nothing "easy" about it. Great flavor. be careful, sparingly for bittering, it has a lot of bite

 

[Homer]

That looks pretty good,but maybe do the whole ounce of Willamette at 10 mins. The bittering from the Columbus May need more contrast from the flavors/aromas of the Willamette. Too my thinking,anyway...

Okay, I'll put it back the way I had it.

 

[Homer]

I use a lot of Columbus. There is nothing "easy" about it. Great flavor. be careful, sparingly for bittering, it has a lot of bite

So do you think that 0.5 oz at 60 min is too much? I love bitter beer, but I want this one for people who don't like bitterness (or very little). My brewing program puts the IBU's at 33 (its Qbrew so not sure how accurate it is).

 

[dcp27]

the columbus will most likely overpower the willy, but they should complement each other. I recently made an IPA with this combo and it was wonderful

 

[BuckeyeGambler]

I just made a BB Imperial Nut Brown kit that came with Columbus and Willamette. Schedule went like this
1oz Columbus 60 total boiling minutes
1oz Willamette 20 min
1oz Willamette 5 min.

Its been bottled for 3 weeks and its really starting to come together.
Right now the beer has a big aromatic floral note and the acidity is not overwhelming.

In my noob views, I would agree with dcp in the thinking that the high Alpha Columbus would overpower anything lower than it.

Let us know how it turns out.

 

[Homer]

Will do, I followed the hop schedule I had in post 1, so we'll see how it turns out.

 

[dcp27]

In my noob views, I would agree with dcp in the thinking that the high Alpha Columbus would overpower anything lower than it.

That's a common misconception. Alphas have nothing to do with flavor/aroma. Columbus does happen to have about twice the essential oils of Willy tho

 

[BuckeyeGambler]

Thanks for the info on the essential oils. Am I correct in assuming that the longer you boil the more oils and aromatic qualities of the hop are lost? Is it right to assume the longer you boil hops with a high alpha will result in a higher IBU?

 

[dcp27]

Thanks for the info on the essential oils. Am I correct in assuming that the longer you boil the more oils and aromatic qualities of the hop are lost? Is it right to assume the longer you boil hops with a high alpha will result in a higher IBU?

Yes. the essential oils, especially the aromatic ones, are extremely volatile so the longer you boil them, the more you lose (However, leaf hops take a little longer to extract out the oils so its not quite as quick). Alpha acids on the other-hand, are insoluble in water and need to isomerize to attribute bitterness and the longer you boil (to a point) the more of these you're able to utilize