Trade Warning: Recapped/Rewaxed Bottles

[Gennycreamale]

Lol. This one is my favorite.
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Looks like they have shut down his RMP page

 

[MrVonzipper]

He's been getting away with this for far too long because he's a master of disguises!

 

[stupac2]

He's been getting away with this for just too long because he's a master of disguises!

I am laughing far harder than I should be.

 

[MrVonzipper]

I mean. Was the Dana Carvey movie about this guy?!?

 

[DelToro]

So a year ago me and some other buddies were gonna do a deathpool of people who we thought we would dick over ppl and become bad traders, I then with zero hesitation said my first pick would be edwardfortyhands.

I expected him to **** over one guy but multiple people thats insane. He deserves every bit of bad luck that comes his way cause he caused it all on himself.

Also Sherman Hemsley would be proud of that horrible hair line.

 

[beerandraiderfan]

Oh, that reminds me, if there's solid proof he did this then he could conceivably be charged with a felony. Smart move for some beer.

Mail fraud?
RICO?

Just fraud. There's probably not enough value for the feds to actually go after it, but they have with previous cases: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/nyregion/wine-dealer-is-convicted-of-fraud.html

Pretty much agree with all this. Also, this would probably count as felony forgery/uttering a forged instrument, if similar language/statutes exist in other jurisdictions. I believe it would in Nevada:

NRS 205.090 Forgery of conveyances, negotiable instruments, stock certificates, wills and other instruments; utterance of forged instrument. A person who falsely makes, alters, forges or counterfeits any record, or other authentic matter of a public nature, or any charter, letters patent, deed, lease, indenture, writing obligatory, will, testament, codicil, annuity, bond, covenant, bank bill or note, post note, check, draft, bill of exchange, contract, promissory note, traveler's check, money order, due bill for the payment of money or property or for the payment of any labor claim, receipt for money or property, power of attorney, any auditor's warrant for the payment of the money at the treasury, county order or warrant, or request for the payment of money, or the delivery of goods or chattels of any kind, or for the delivery of any instrument of writing, or acquittance, release, or receipt for money, goods, or labor claim, or any acquittance, release, or discharge for any debt, account, suit, action, demand, or other thing, real or personal, or any transfer or assurance of money, stock, goods, chattels, or other property whatever, or any letter of attorney, or other power to receive money, or to receive or transfer stock or annuities, or to let, lease, dispose of, alien or convey any goods or chattels, lands or tenements, or other estate, real or personal, or any acceptance or endorsement of any bill of exchange, promissory note, draft, order or assignment of any bond, writing obligatory, or promissory note, for money or other property, or any order, writ or process lawfully issued by any court or public officer, or any document or paper recorded or filed in any court or with any public officer, or in the Senate or Assembly, or counterfeits or forges the seal or handwriting of another, with the intent to damage or defraud any person, body politic or corporate, whether the person, body politic or corporate, resides in or belongs to this State or not, or utters, publishes, passes or attempts to pass, as true and genuine, any of the above-named false, altered, forged or counterfeited matters, as above specified and described, knowing it to be false, altered, forged or counterfeited with the intent to prejudice, damage or defraud any person, body politic or corporate, whether the person, body politic or corporate, resides in this State or not, is guilty of forgery, and shall be punished for a category D felony

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Lobby your state senator or rep! We want fraudulent beer traders prosecuted as felons just like Nevada law allows!

 

[BusinessSloth]

Pretty much agree with all this. Also, this would probably count as felony forgery/uttering a forged instrument, if similar language/statutes exist in other jurisdictions. I believe it would in Nevada:

NRS 205.090 Forgery of conveyances, negotiable instruments, stock certificates, wills and other instruments; utterance of forged instrument. A person who falsely makes, alters, forges or counterfeits any record, or other authentic matter of a public nature, or any charter, letters patent, deed, lease, indenture, writing obligatory, will, testament, codicil, annuity, bond, covenant, bank bill or note, post note, check, draft, bill of exchange, contract, promissory note, traveler's check, money order, due bill for the payment of money or property or for the payment of any labor claim, receipt for money or property, power of attorney, any auditor's warrant for the payment of the money at the treasury, county order or warrant, or request for the payment of money, or the delivery of goods or chattels of any kind, or for the delivery of any instrument of writing, or acquittance, release, or receipt for money, goods, or labor claim, or any acquittance, release, or discharge for any debt, account, suit, action, demand, or other thing, real or personal, or any transfer or assurance of money, stock, goods, chattels, or other property whatever, or any letter of attorney, or other power to receive money, or to receive or transfer stock or annuities, or to let, lease, dispose of, alien or convey any goods or chattels, lands or tenements, or other estate, real or personal, or any acceptance or endorsement of any bill of exchange, promissory note, draft, order or assignment of any bond, writing obligatory, or promissory note, for money or other property, or any order, writ or process lawfully issued by any court or public officer, or any document or paper recorded or filed in any court or with any public officer, or in the Senate or Assembly, or counterfeits or forges the seal or handwriting of another, with the intent to damage or defraud any person, body politic or corporate, whether the person, body politic or corporate, resides in or belongs to this State or not, or utters, publishes, passes or attempts to pass, as true and genuine, any of the above-named false, altered, forged or counterfeited matters, as above specified and described, knowing it to be false, altered, forged or counterfeited with the intent to prejudice, damage or defraud any person, body politic or corporate, whether the person, body politic or corporate, resides in this State or not, is guilty of forgery, and shall be punished for a category D felony

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Lobby your state senator or rep! We want fraudulent beer traders prosecuted as felons just like Nevada law allows!

I think I'm allowed to arrest him for Fail in the 1st degree.

 

[snowrs1]

Agreed but they are comparing him to a rapist, some people need to get their attachment to this hobby reassessed if even asking why exposing this douches info is not allowed how is it different from knowing a rapists address.

He is not CONVICTED of anything. No matter what he has done, calling his place of work and destroying his life before he is proven guilty is wrong.

This entire point has been lost on all of America, we judge by popular opinion then stir up virtual posse to smear and slander.

If I have to have that conversation over faking some ****** beer all hope is lost.

 

[Kramerbarthomer]

calling his place of work and destroying his life before he is proven guilty is wrong.

Have people been doing this?

 

[MrVonzipper]

Agreed but they are comparing him to a rapist, some people need to get their attachment to this hobby reassessed if even asking why exposing this douches info is not allowed how is it different from knowing a rapists address.

He is not CONVICTED of anything. No matter what he has done, calling his place of work and destroying his life before he is proven guilty is wrong.

This entire point has been lost on all of America, we judge by popular opinion then stir up virtual posse to smear and slander.

If I have to have that conversation over faking some ****** beer all hope is lost.

Agree with you for the most part about the big picture. But someone that has dedicated the majority of their spare time to create multiple accounts on multiple sites to deceive and "Steal" from people is some kind of piece of ****. I don't agree with going above and beyond trying to screw this guy, though he didn't steal from me. Someone that is a complete sociopath like that deserves what they get. He's supposed to be an educated man.

 

[abawol01]

He's supposed to be an educated man.

No matter how much you try and teach a stupid person, they will always be stupid.

 

[snowrs1]

Have people been doing this?

People have called his home from what I understand and all of those posts on a professional website as well. It would be the same as bombing my linkedin page

 

[jcvanderbilt]

Agreed but they are comparing him to a rapist, some people need to get their attachment to this hobby reassessed if even asking why exposing this douches info is not allowed how is it different from knowing a rapists address.

He is not CONVICTED of anything. No matter what he has done, calling his place of work and destroying his life before he is proven guilty is wrong.

This entire point has been lost on all of America, we judge by popular opinion then stir up virtual posse to smear and slander.

If I have to have that conversation over faking some ****** beer all hope is lost.

Guilty in a court of law - no. But I don't think there is any debate that he intentionally deceived people, took their beer under false pretenses, and did it multiple times without remorse. I think we can semantically argue guilt all day long, and this guy probably won't ever have to make restitution for what he's done, but I don't think the "innocent until proven guilty" aphorism holds here as technically he did nothing illegal. I certainly don't condone calling his home and threatening his life, but the beer community is a pretty zealous one, and I think they are acting out in frustration of probably the gravest sin you can commit in this arena. And yes, in the grand scheme of things it's just beer, but I don't think that phrase is very helpful to the people who sent this guy very good and probably very expensive beer and received nothing in return. There's a middle ground between the verbal lynching and the "it's just beer" mantra, and I think it will eventually win out

 

[stupac2]

Agreed but they are comparing him to a rapist, some people need to get their attachment to this hobby reassessed if even asking why exposing this douches info is not allowed how is it different from knowing a rapists address.

He is not CONVICTED of anything. No matter what he has done, calling his place of work and destroying his life before he is proven guilty is wrong.

This entire point has been lost on all of America, we judge by popular opinion then stir up virtual posse to smear and slander.

If I have to have that conversation over faking some ****** beer all hope is lost.

The lynch mob does not listen to reason. It only listens to waelz, bro.

 

[snowrs1]

Guilty in a court of law - no. But I don't think there is any debate that he internationally deceived people, took their beer under false pretenses, and did it multiple times without remorse. I think we can semantically argue guilt all day long, and this guy probably won't ever have to make restitution for what he's done, but I don't think the "innocent until proven guilty" aphorism holds here as technically he did nothing illegal. I certainly don't condone calling his home and threatening his life, but the beer community is a pretty zealous one, and I think they are acting out in frustration of probably the gravest sin you can commit in this arena. And yes, in the grand scheme of things it's just beer, but I don't think that phrase is very helpful to the people who sent this guy very good and probably very expensive beer and received nothing in return. There's a middle ground between the verbal lynching and the "it's just beer" mantra, and I think it will eventual win out

When not guilty in a court of law the community can blacklist anyone they want, but without legal backup, what is currently going on is waaay above reasonable.

We as a society have taken to doing this more and more, ruining people's lives regardless of law. It is wrong and I will call it out everywhere I see it.

 

[Arbitrator]

I certainly don't condone calling his home and threatening his life, but the beer community is a pretty zealous one, and I think they are acting out in frustration of probably the gravest sin you can commit in this arena. And yes, in the grand scheme of things it's just beer, but I don't think that phrase is very helpful to the people who sent this guy very good and probably very expensive beer and received nothing in return. There's a middle ground between the verbal lynching and the "it's just beer" mantra, and I think it will eventually win out

Used to be that I could at least acknowledge to myself that someone's personal and professional lives were off limits, but unapologetic douchecanoes like this guy have eroded my sense of empathy. It really takes some insane effort, as well as a complete lack of ethics, to go to the trouble of recapping and rewaxing. It makes you wonder what sort of fraud he might be willing to commit in a professional setting. There's a reason employers ask if you've been committed of a crime.

 

[bdogg1]

Could TG go after him for copyright infringement? After all, he is essentially using their name to sell/trade beer.

 

[richardflyr]

When not guilty in a court of law the community can blacklist anyone they want, but without legal backup, what is currently going on is waaay above reasonable.

We as a society have taken to doing this more and more, ruining people's lives regardless of law. It is wrong and I will call it out everywhere I see it.

Can we at least try to not have people go so far that we start feeling bad for the ********? That's all I want.

I think the most profitable course of action is to just let his bottle shops and breweries know, so hopefully they ban him like TG. That's good enough for me.

 

[snowrs1]

Now with all of that said, If I was the one ripped off, I would drive to Iowa and punch him in the face. It would be up to him to explain to his bosses why he has a broken nose.

 

[bsc]

If you don't want your personal / professional life to collide with the interwebz, don't do something so stupid that it would cause others to even consider hitting you below the belt.

If someone stole from me, I would go great lengths to make their lives miserable.

 

[beerandraiderfan]

I think I'm allowed to arrest him for Fail in the 1st degree.

more like . . .

 

[snowrs1]

If you don't want your personal / professional life to collide with the interwebz, don't do something so stupid that it would cause others to even consider hitting you below the belt.

If someone stole from me, I would go great lengths to make their lives miserable.

Two Words.....Duke Lacrosse

 

[lembeeker]

Reverse Google Image Search, not that hard to figure who this was.

 

[brees6221]

These would make great labels for a new series of TG beers...

 

[beerandraiderfan]

Could TG go after him for copyright infringement? After all, he is essentially using their name to sell/trade beer.

Think of it like this.

If I sell a used truck, and I lie and say its all street miles. . . Ford can't sue me.

If I sell a used Metallica cd from the past 20 years, and I say that its a damn good album, Metallica can't sue me . . .

But to literally answer your question: Can they go after him? Yeah. Is it likely to be successful or a good use of resources? No.

 

[bdogg1]

Think of it like this.

If I sell a used truck, and I lie and say its all street miles. . . Ford can't sue me.

If I sell a used Metallica cd from the past 20 years, and I say that its a damn good album, Metallica can't sue me . . .

But to literally answer your question: Can they go after him? Yeah. Is it likely to be successful or a good use of resources? No.

In this instance though, is it a good use of resource to make a point?

 

[beerandraiderfan]

In this instance though, is it a good use of resource to make a point?

To spend thousands of dollars on something you are extremely unlikely to prevail on? Prolly not. Social media and physical taproom ban seem to have more cost/benefit valuation.

 

[stxSS07]

I think I'm allowed to arrest him for Fail in the 1st degree.

Laughed.

Agreed but they are comparing him to a rapist, some people need to get their attachment to this hobby reassessed if even asking why exposing this douches info is not allowed how is it different from knowing a rapists address.

He is not CONVICTED of anything. No matter what he has done, calling his place of work and destroying his life before he is proven guilty is wrong.

This entire point has been lost on all of America, we judge by popular opinion then stir up virtual posse to smear and slander.

If I have to have that conversation over faking some ****** beer all hope is lost.

You already addressed it, but if he stole hundreds of dollars from you I doubt you'd be playing internet devil's advocate.

The lynch mob does not listen to reason. It only listens to waelz, bro.

See above if srs.

If not srs, a light golf clap for you.

 

[thebandit1]

In no way should this be construed as legal advise.

I would move away from any and all possible personal attacks. I could easily see a person in this guys position securing a lawyer, especially if his career is affected. At that point, any lawyer would explore all avenues for his client, including deflecting blame to individuals whose harassment led to his termination. And those types of crimes are prosecuted much more frequently than those involving beer fraud.

 

[RyanG1]

In no way should this be construed as legal advise.

I would move away from any and all possible personal attacks. I could easily see a person in this guys position securing a lawyer, especially if his career is affected. At that point, any lawyer would explore all avenues for his client, including deflecting blame to individuals whose harassment led to his termination. And those types of crimes are prosecuted much more frequently than those involving beer fraud.

Hopefully he doesn't sue xxhaveusennmypliny42069boixx on BA