Tom Roeder's Dry Yeast vs Liquid Yeast Experiment

[Bobby_M]

bobby why dont you get certified

I'm working on it. All of the clubs that are hosting exams nearby are holding seats for club members (apparently) and BJCP isn't doing anything to combat that practice even though it's frowned upon.

 

[wildwest450]

So the conclusion is in inconclusive? Imagine that.


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[doctorRobert]

So the conclusion is in inconclusive? Imagine that.


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I dont think so. Many people always claim they are the same yeast. I think this proves that they aren't the same.

edit: Or at least, in practical usage, they produce different beers and should therefore be considered similar but different yeast. Maybe it was pitching rates or something else that produced the different beers. But I bet even Wyeast and White Labs cal ale would have slight differences.

 

[Wakadaka]

Well how about this question. Bobby you preferred the liquid if I remember correctly. Are you going to be using 1056 over Safale 05 from now on? Assuming you used to use dry yeast.

Or the others that are also on this forum, will you buy your preference for yeast only in the future?

 

[Seven]

Well how about this question. Bobby you preferred the liquid if I remember correctly. Are you going to be using 1056 over Safale 05 from now on? Assuming you used to use dry yeast.

Or the others that are also on this forum, will you buy your preference for yeast only in the future?

I'm currently drinking a batch of Edwort's Pale Ale that was fermented using US-05 and to me it does have a noticeable "yeast" flavor to it. Although I'm hoping this was caused by something other than the yeast because I do like the convenience of dry yeast over making yeast starters with liquid yeasts.

This thread has inspired me to conduct similar side-by-side experiments of my own before I decide which yeast I like best.

 

[Brewphish]

Still curious about the recipe used for this beer. Anyone know?

 

[Seven]

Still curious about the recipe used for this beer. Anyone know?

See post #205.

 

[Brewphish]

Thanks Seven but that was for the beer that Jake sent Tom, which was Yooper's Dogfish 60 minute clone (excellent beer, brewed it 3x already). Both Jake and Bobby seemed to like the recipe that Tom sent, and in one of the videos I think Tom mentions it is based on one of Jamil's pale ales.

Part curiosity in relation to the experiment, part me wanting to try some new pale ale brews.

 

[brewit2it]

Which beer did Tom like best? Seems like we need a tie-breaker.

 

[Bobby_M]

Well how about this question. Bobby you preferred the liquid if I remember correctly. Are you going to be using 1056 over Safale 05 from now on? Assuming you used to use dry yeast.

Or the others that are also on this forum, will you buy your preference for yeast only in the future?

I always have some us05 on hand for last minute brew opportunity but I always go liquid if I can plan ahead. This was based on very loose correlations between which beers I thought were exceptional vs decent. My own sample size is small and there are some anomalies so I never drew hard conclusions. I will continue my usual practice of liquid unless...

 

[Brasco20]

Tom, your computer is bitchin!

 

[tomroeder]

Tom, your computer is bitchin!

Thanks man!!

Thanks to everyone for follwing my experiment. It was a lot of fun, except for the third taster....way disappointing, especially for the cost to send two beers from Indiana to California. I respect that guy's experience and was really looking forward to his remarks. I doubt he ever posts the video. Oh well.

For anyone who wanted the recipe that I brewed, it is a little complex, but I assure it is worth it! A delicious APA with a nice, somewhat complex malt note, with a delicious hop note to follow. My house APA!

10 gallons: (5 gallon 1/2 everything)

 

[dantheman13]

Hey, Tom, I will keep an eye out on Nige's channel, and if he ever does post, I will update this thread.

 

[cblack85]

Thanks man!!

except for the third taster....way disappointing, especially for the cost to send two beers from Indiana to California. I respect that guy's experience and was really looking forward to his remarks. I doubt he ever posts the video. Oh well.

10 gallons: (5 gallon 1/2 everything)

The recipe looks good, I may try it... You should have sent a sample to me, I could have posted my thoughts as my first youtube vid...

 

[-TH-]

This might be a silly question, but...

Are the differences between the 1056 and US05 strictly a dry/liquid thing, or could it also be partly due to the fact that these yeasts have slightly evolved (for lack of better word) in their own seperate ways over time? which then makes me wonder if it is possible that the two liquid yeasts, 1056 and WLP001 could also have developed differing characteristics even though we are told that these are equals. Is that possible or am I just yeast-stupid?

 

[doctorRobert]

This might be a silly question, but...

Are the differences between the 1056 and US05 strictly a dry/liquid thing, or could it also be partly due to the fact that these yeasts have slightly evolved (for lack of better word) in their own seperate ways over time? which then makes me wonder if it is possible that the two liquid yeasts, 1056 and WLP001 could also have developed differing characteristics even though we are told that these are equals. Is that possible or am I just yeast-stupid?

Very possible. They're also shipped with different nutrients, different amount of cells, etc, all these could lead to differences.

See http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/1228/JAzym06_YeastDebate.pdf which rockfish posted early.

 

[remilard]

This might be a silly question, but...

Are the differences between the 1056 and US05 strictly a dry/liquid thing, or could it also be partly due to the fact that these yeasts have slightly evolved (for lack of better word) in their own seperate ways over time? which then makes me wonder if it is possible that the two liquid yeasts, 1056 and WLP001 could also have developed differing characteristics even though we are told that these are equals. Is that possible or am I just yeast-stupid?

Dunno. But in my brewery if WLP001 and WY1056 are 5% different, US05 is 30% different than either. I tried a lot things and could not get the same result. For me it is a non-issue now as I have mostly migrated from 1056/001 to 1272/051.

 

[tomroeder]

The recipe looks good, I may try it... You should have sent a sample to me, I could have posted my thoughts as my first youtube vid...

Had I known back then (several weeks ago when I mailed out the beers) that you were going to start a youtube channel, I most certainly would have! That would have been kick ass...I also know that I would not have been pissing in the wind like I was when I mailed those beers to California and they never got filmed...oh well.

You should do a yeast comparison! We should do it all kinds of different styles! I am thinking about doing a porter this winter in the same way

 

[4x4jeep74]

After watching the results and going back and watch Bobby again All I can say is that dude has talent

 

[bassfishr]

Dunno. But in my brewery if WLP001 and WY1056 are 5% different, US05 is 30% different than either. I tried a lot things and could not get the same result. For me it is a non-issue now as I have mostly migrated from 1056/001 to 1272/051.

Hey all, first time poster, longtime lurker. Just curious for what reason you switched yeasts? I know you wouldn't make a switch like that for no reason, even tho this is my first post I have lurked here for quite some time so I know you are one of the more knowledgable posters on here. What characteristics are you getting from the 1272/051 that maybe you didn't get or didn't like from 1056/001?

 

[Denny]

But I bet even Wyeast and White Labs cal ale would have slight differences.

They do indeed.

 

[bob1852]

You should do a yeast comparison! We should do it all kinds of different styles! I am thinking about doing a porter this winter in the same way

Did one here with an IPA - WLP001 v. Wyeast Greenbelt

Included are BJCP results (scores and notes): https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f163/a...-greenbelt-v-wlp001-experiment-begins-203256/

 

[Brewphish]

Thanks for posting the recipe Tom. Looks really good, I'll be trying it out whenever the LHBS gets simcoe back in stock.

 

[tomroeder]

Thanks for posting the recipe Tom. Looks really good, I'll be trying it out whenever the LHBS gets simcoe back in stock.

No one has simcoe right now...if you google "hop substitution chart" you will find many suitable replacements. I do that often, can't tell the difference!

 

[neko]

No one has simcoe right now...if you google "hop substitution chart" you will find many suitable replacements. I do that often, can't tell the difference!

Can you direct me to this chart with simcoe subs? I have looked at a lot of different charts and almost all have a blank box in the simcoe substitution area. One had "Northern Brewer?", but that's not very reassuring.

 

[jkarp]

No such thing as a Simcoe sub IMO.

 

[maxamuus]

Just out of curiosity, did Nige ever say why he never posted the video? Saw his video saying he was posting and frankly the guy seems like a bit of a nut.

 

[bovineblitz]

No one has simcoe right now...if you google "hop substitution chart" you will find many suitable replacements. I do that often, can't tell the difference!

I got a couple ounces of whole leaf from brewmasters warehouse. A little pricey but certainly fair IMO.

 

[JonK331]

No one has simcoe right now...if you google "hop substitution chart" you will find many suitable replacements. I do that often, can't tell the difference!

I got some pellets from MB recently.

 

[remilard]

No such thing as a Simcoe sub IMO.

+1

Get the simcoe, several places still have it.