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Cooled the sample under the faucet (DOH!)..

At 74 degrees, it's reading about 52

52x11= 572
Target is 60-64 x10 = 600-640

572/60 = approx 9.5

there's 11G in there now.. If I boil off 2G, I can hit target OG..

So if I add 1/2 gallon and do the boil, I should hit target gravity

Does all this sound right?
 
your gravity of 1.041 @ 122f is 1.053

Relax i know if you have a good rolling boil you will burn off at least a gallon of wort.
 
Things got pretty rough at the end of the boil...

This thermometer I got.. I dunno..

Anyways.. I over chilled the wort.. Thermometer was reading from 68 to 76 so I stopped the chill and dropped the floating thermo in there..

It said, 60 degrees.. so I dumped the wort into the first carboy.. All is well, except that it's reading 52 degrees on the fermometer..

So I fill that one to abut 4.5 gallons, and then move the tube to the next carboy.. stopping to fill the hydrometer sample tube first... But now the wort is flowing 'very' slow.. When about two gallons are in the carboy, it stops.. I have no idea what the problem is, but by now it's broken siphon...

So I gotta reach in there and remove the dip tube somehow.. So I sanitize my hands, the pliers, and so on, and in I go.. I tilt things away as best I can, but it's tough getting in behind the IC without touching the wort.. But I do what I gotta do..

I get the dip tube disconnected, and now can pick up the BK and tilt it so the wort flows out of the fitting, and I get the last 2-3 gallons out..

Man, there is a lot of trub in both carboys... One is reading 58 degrees, the other 68... I set them on the kitchen counter, covered the openings with foil.. and am thinking I should wait a few hours (maybe in the morning) to let the temps stabilize and aerate and pitch the yeast..

I dunno, we'll see how this all turns out.. I'm tired..

A 56 degree sample of wort is reading 1.061.. My first AG turned out to be the toughest brew session yet.. Not because of the mash, but the boil...

Long two days... The kitchen, utility porch, and laundry room are total disasters... ... I'll clean up the mess tomorrow

I'm done... Dinner, shower.. bed... later...
 
PS.. Thanks much to all who offered help and advice... It can only get better from here (I hope)...
:mug:
:rockin:
 
Took this picture just after bringing them in the house.. Trub has compacted some in the last 1/2 hour.. but still a 'lot'..

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Looks pretty good but I'd say you need more water to account for boil off. Do you have a big funnel yet? You could have aerated it then by using a bucket to dump it into the funnell/carboy and then back into the bucket.

Also, do you use whirlfloc or irish moss? That should help keep the trub down if you whirlpool towards the end of your chill and siphon from the sides.
 
One big problem I have, that I didn't realize until it was upon me, is that when I, shut off the flow of wort to take a sample and move to the second carboy, the wort level is down near the level of the welded fitting for the dip tube.. Thus, when I turn it back on, I have lost almost all pressure differential, and siphon activity..

How do you guys deal with this?

Do you use a split tube and siphon both at one, or just pull it out of the first carboy, and make a mess on the way to the second? Stopping the flow is what caused me all the problems..
 
Looks pretty good but I'd say you need more water to account for boil off. Do you have a big funnel yet? You could have aerated it then by using a bucket to dump it into the funnell/carboy and then back into the bucket.

Also, do you use whirlfloc or irish moss? That should help keep the trub down if you whirlpool towards the end of your chill and siphon from the sides.

I need to deal with the siphon problem, and from there get a false bottom... I also want to get that IC out of there.. It's a royal PITA.. Gonna build that custom CFC post haste...

I use whirlfloc tabs (used two of them)

As to the boil off.. I had low efficiency (or something), so adding more boil off water would have made problems worse..

So I learned some areas that I need to work on in the drawing of wort from the BK, and I also learned that he 'math' I used (from "Designing Great Beers") works great.. By taking a sample, and determining my gravity and adding only a half gallon of boil off water, I was able to hit the target gravity spot on..

Had I added all that boil off in the mashing process, I would have had to 'boil more off' or deal with a low OG... both not great options.. It would also have required a second sparge, which from what I understand, can lead to tannin extraction..

But I'm all ears.. Maybe splitting the sparge in two would have gotten me more gravity after boil off...I might try that next time.. after I deal with the siphon problem... (and the thermometer problem)

Also, doing this all in one day for your first brew was probably not a good idea..

Next time, and I suggest this to other first timer AG brewers.. I'm gonna mash the night before brew day.. That would have made life way easier for me...
 
Anyways, both beers appear to be at pitching temp, so after I get some coffee in me, I guess I'll rehydrate the yeasts and pitch them, put the carboys in the bathroom, install blowoffs, and start cleaning up the mess...

Ones getting SafAle 04, the other SafAle 05
:mug:
 
One big problem I have, that I didn't realize until it was upon me, is that when I, shut off the flow of wort to take a sample and move to the second carboy, the wort level is down near the level of the welded fitting for the dip tube.. Thus, when I turn it back on, I have lost almost all pressure differential, and siphon activity..

How do you guys deal with this?

Do you use a split tube and siphon both at one, or just pull it out of the first carboy, and make a mess on the way to the second? Stopping the flow is what caused me all the problems..

get a cheap 3/8" y or t fitting and siphon to both fermenters at the same time, next time to keep that siphon flowing until the end.

you worry too much about the small stuff. a couple times will calm you down so you don't overwork yourself.. especially in the nerve department. you will make a good beer.. even with making a lot of mistakes at first, so don't worry about a thing

one thing to note is "never try to measure your gravity with a wort that is over 100*F" those correction temp charts are not accurate above 100*F
 
get a cheap 3/8" y or t fitting and siphon to both fermenters at the same time, next time to keep that siphon flowing until the end.

Should I put some sort of valve on each leg so that both carboys fill at the same rate, or will both be close enough without worrying about it?

one thing to note is "never try to measure your gravity with a wort that is over 100*F" those correction temp charts are not accurate above 100*F

Yeah, I hadn't much sleep the night before, and I was tired, and a storm was rolling in (winds messing with the flame big time) so I was staring to get kinda frazzled and started missing the obvious.. like holding the sample vessel under that ice cold water that runs out of my kitchen faucet this time of year... Simple solution I shouldn't have missed..

I'm glad I chronicled all this here.. It will come in handy to review before the next attempt... But I have a few issues to resolve first...
 
Curious about what hops you're using (and how much) for this brew...

I've been looking to make a strong pale ale, and this looks like a good (and simple) recipe... I'll be doing a 5 gallon batch, since that's all I'm currently set up for.

What's your OG after they rested overnight?
 
Sample is sitting on the counter still.. At room temp (68ish) it's right at 60

AMERICAN IPA
(for 10G)

Hops
3 oz magnum (60 mins)
4 oz cascade (10 mins)
4 oz cascade (1 min)

Grains
24 lbs 2 row
3 lbs Crystal 15L

Est OG: 1.060-64
Est SRM:7
Est IBU's: 81-85
Est ABV: 6%
Suggested ferment temp: 68


This is my first AG brew so I don't know how it's gonna compare to the extracts I've been doing.. But I've brewed several of the extract version of this beer and it's quite good...

I've typically used SA-04, but this last batch (I'm drinking now). I tried WL001..

In the batch I brewed last night, I'm going to pitch 04 in one and 05 in the other...
 
From my calculations, I hit about 64.6% efficiency on the mash...

Not great.. but I don't know what's typical for a first time masher... whether this is good for a first attempt or not...
 
you'll find that when brewing all grain you will get better hop utilization.. or that is at least what I experienced. Adjusting down some each batch until you find what is an equal to the extract version you are use to
 
you'll find that when brewing all grain you will get better hop utilization.. or that is at least what I experienced. Adjusting down some each batch until you find what is an equal to the extract version you are use to

So then, given equivalent hops schedules, this beer should be 'hoppier'? More bitterness, hop flavor, and aroma?
 
I think the bitterness will be more perceived

I don't think you can over-hop aroma or flavor additions IMHO. start smaller bitterness quanities and real big quanities towards the end is what I like
 
Pitched yeast and installed blow offs at 12:15pm

(might as well finish chronicling this adventure)
:mug:
 
Reading this thread brought a smile to my face. I remember when I started, there was no great forums like this one. Only the Homebrew Digest and Charlie's book. I studied and worried a lot (against Charlie's advice). I measured everything and prepared like crazy, recording everything, etc. I was in learning mode so this was natural. I got several hand fulls of AG sessions under my belt after a year or two, and I settled down. Then life brought changes and the beer gear went into storage for fifteen long years. That gear got very lonely in the shed.
Last September my friend pokes me in the ribs and says "go get your brew gear". I just chuckled and didn't take him seriously. Two months later my friend does it again, so I said "OK" with a smile, despite the rainy weather. Several hours later we had ingredients for a 10 gallon batch, a bunch of new tubing and such, rain gear, and a bottle of bourbon. The local supply store printed a recipe, but I just left it in the bag. I did not measure anything but temperature. Not because I'm really experienced, I just didn't sweat it. The bourbon may have helped me in this direction. For the mash, I told my friend to throw the grain in the ice chest and start stiring, while I opened the HLT valve. When it looked like it wasn't too thick we checked for gross temp. errors, closed the lid and noted the clock. Ninety (or so) minutes later we drained, sparged and started to boil. I opened the bittering hops and didn't weigh them at all just threw them all in. After an hour (or so), in go the aroma hops (all of them) and through the chiller the wort went. By the time I hosed out the last of the equipment, my shoes were soaking wet from rain and the dishwashing, it was 11 pm, and my friend was crashed on the couch.
Two weeks later the keg was under pressure. Two more weeks and we cracked the can. I won't says its the best beer on earth, but I do think its one of the best batches I've ever made. I may never reproduce the same batch, but it just goes to show you that beer is forgiving. This approach may not be for everyone, and I'm sure I'll get back to measuring and recording again. The brewing bug is now fully awake after fifteen years! I bought a pump, two more keggles, and the plate chiller arrives tomorrow.
The main advice I have for anyone starting out is to remove the things that worry you. For instance I brew outside, so I can make a big mess and clean it all up with a garden hose. Its a lot more fun when the worry level goes down.
Cheers all.
 
Reading this thread brought a smile to my face. I remember when I started, there was no great forums like this one. Only the Homebrew Digest and Charlie's book. I studied and worried a lot (against Charlie's advice). I measured everything and prepared like crazy, recording everything, etc. I was in learning mode so this was natural. I got several hand fulls of AG sessions under my belt after a year or two, and I settled down. Then life brought changes and the beer gear went into storage for fifteen long years. That gear got very lonely in the shed.
Last September my friend pokes me in the ribs and says "go get your brew gear". I just chuckled and didn't take him seriously. Two months later my friend does it again, so I said "OK" with a smile, despite the rainy weather. Several hours later we had ingredients for a 10 gallon batch, a bunch of new tubing and such, rain gear, and a bottle of bourbon. The local supply store printed a recipe, but I just left it in the bag. I did not measure anything but temperature. Not because I'm really experienced, I just didn't sweat it. The bourbon may have helped me in this direction. For the mash, I told my friend to throw the grain in the ice chest and start stiring, while I opened the HLT valve. When it looked like it wasn't too thick we checked for gross temp. errors, closed the lid and noted the clock. Ninety (or so) minutes later we drained, sparged and started to boil. I opened the bittering hops and didn't weigh them at all just threw them all in. After an hour (or so), in go the aroma hops (all of them) and through the chiller the wort went. By the time I hosed out the last of the equipment, my shoes were soaking wet from rain and the dishwashing, it was 11 pm, and my friend was crashed on the couch.
Two weeks later the keg was under pressure. Two more weeks and we cracked the can. I won't says its the best beer on earth, but I do think its one of the best batches I've ever made. I may never reproduce the same batch, but it just goes to show you that beer is forgiving. This approach may not be for everyone, and I'm sure I'll get back to measuring and recording again. The brewing bug is now fully awake after fifteen years! I bought a pump, two more keggles, and the plate chiller arrives tomorrow.
The main advice I have for anyone starting out is to remove the things that worry you. For instance I brew outside, so I can make a big mess and clean it all up with a garden hose. Its a lot more fun when the worry level goes down.
Cheers all.

Hey glad you got back into it FireDancer. you have a good point, and that just to not worry about it too much. RDWAHAHB!
 
Man, I've never seen such a vigorous ferment!

Okay, so the carboy with SA04 started vigorous ferment after about 4 hours.. The SA05 started to show some signs of ferment at 10-12 hours.. got up this morning and it was going pretty good too...

This is in line with my experience that SA04 is more 'violent' than other yeats I've tried..

But man, just got back from a hair cut, and the SA04 carboy is going 'crazy!' I pitched at 68 degrees, and it's at 74 now.. It's the color of coffee with creme, and boiling like crazy.. I just soaked a towel in cold water and wrapped it around the thing and put fan on it... closed the door to the bathroom they're in, to keep the heat from the fireplace from heating it up even more...

Man, I've had some pretty vigorous ferments before, but this is crazy.. Trying to calm it down so that it doesn't continue to ferment too warm and/or cook off too early...

:confused:
 
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