RobWalker
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Ignore me, its been covered.
P.s. haggis tastes amazing!
P.s. haggis tastes amazing!
I'm not a huge scotch guy, but my uncle (who is) bought me a bottle of one of his favorite, Laphroaig.
What smacks me in the face every time I smell and taste it is tobacco. Not just a little "reminds me of tobacco" flavor, but "damn I'm drinking a cigar" flavor. In fact, my wife asked if I smelled cigars the other night while I sipped a glass.
Point being, I'll assume that this scotch uses copious amounts of peat smoked malt. In large enough quantities, peat might just get you where you want to be. I wouldn't like it in a beer, but you might. Check out Laphroaig and let me know what you think!
acuenca said:I love an Islay whisky... The smoky phenolic taste is from peat... but there are smoked and peated malts that can be tried with some of the other suggestionss like vanilla, cedar,oak etc to achieve some of these flavors....
So all this talk of how dangerous tobacco infusions are is really interesting as I just had a (totally amazing) tobacco infused cocktail a few days ago. This was at a restaurant and it was at tequila/mezcal drink. The flavor was very subtle but very tasty, and according to the waiter they used whole-leave cigar tobacco that had infused for a few hours. He even said that leaving it longer turns it nasty, and definitely leaving it for weeks would probably result in some awful and poisonous concoction. But I don't see why this couldn't work if done carefully.
I don't know if the restaurant steeped the tobacco it in the alcohol, or if they steeped it in the mixer... I would guess the alcohol. I was actually thinking about doing a tobacco infusion for a stout, though I have no idea how much tobacco it would take to peep through the flavors. Perhaps doing a very small tobacco infusion in the bottling bucket for a 6 pack's worth at first is not a bad option. Or a small amount of tobacco infused bourbon to add at bottling time?
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I agree that i could use some scotchmaking techniques in making a similar flavor to a cigar. I myself am a cigar and scotch nut(walk in humidor in the basement and dedicated scotch room) i tend to likeall kinds og both. See, this thread has gone sooo many different directions simce i posted it last night. I too agree that infusing tobacco in the mash may jave some harsh comsequences( flavorwise, theres no way i could infuse enough nicotine into the wort to make it lethal because im not an idiot like that) but i could definatley see how lightly smoking the malt with sweeet pipe tobacco or hell, even storing a mesh bag of it under a few pounds of grain for a month would infuse some decent flavors. Im gonna try both ways. Well try a gallon batch w smoked malt and one thats just aroma infused. Wont kill me right? Im not such a ******* that id try a second sip if the first was horrible... thanks for the input guys this was a fast moving thread!
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Zamial said:I have 95% of a working tobaccoless cigar stout recipe. I have had it and it smells and tastes like an unlit cigar to me. It is an extract brew. I am zombifide from lack of sleep and her recipe is missing a few items. I will post the recipe when I have the rest of it, I estimate a few days...
I'd be interested to try and brew it. Im trying to get a buddy into brewing so an extract batch would be a great way to get his feet wet!
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I'd have to say that all the talk of tobacco being poisonous are a bit alarmist. Your beer would be undrinkably nasty well before it would be dangerous. After all, alcohol is a poison, too, and not many want to do without that.
I'd have to say that all the talk of tobacco being poisonous are a bit alarmist. Your beer would be undrinkably nasty well before it would be dangerous. After all, alcohol is a poison, too, and not many want to do without that.
40-60 mg of nicotine can kill you.
Sixty milligrams of nicotine (the amount in about 30-40 cigarettes ), has the potential to kill an adult who is not a smoker if all of the nicotine were absorbed.
Dear God. I agree with the OP. Go ahead and brew it. You would have to put a lot in there to die, abs it can't be any worse than cigarette smoke.
life is worth living. Smoke crack, have sex with hookers, go to church, look down on people who have fun, whatever gets you of. Who care you'll due eventually
The active ingredient in chloroseptic throat spray is a caustic chemical that once a high enough concentration is a neural inhibitor that can start shutting down body systems but it works great for sore throats. Capsicum is what makes peppers hot but is used to make pepper spray and if digested in high enough doses can cause serious damage to your digestive tracts. Chlorine is a poisonous corrosive gas that we use to purify water for drinking. I'm sure if I sat here and googled half the herbs and spices we think nothing of using in our beers I could find all kinds of different poisons nobody ever talks about. There's just a ton of anti-tobacco propaganda flying around out there so we all know nicotine is dangerous. We're over-stressing that danger big time. A couple ounces spread over a 5 gallon batch isn't going to hurt anyone. Like it was stated above, I've seen guys stuff half a tin of chew in their mouths at work on a regular basis and suffer no ill effects. I didn't even think about that until some one mentioned it. The real danger of tobacco isn't the nicotine but the methods of delivery people use to get their fix, either smoking or chewing. Think of it as an herb and not as "big bad tobacco" and it'll be easier to get past this worry about the nicotine. Seriously if you're not interested in using it as an herb and are just on this thread to warn us about the "evils of big tobacco" unsubscribe and move on. Leave us alone to pick our own poisons. I'm not even a smoker and I'm getting sick of hearing ideas get bashed. I was just mulling this idea over as a hypothetical brew but now I'll definitely do it sometime this year just because of all the ignorant naysaying just so I can say I did.
Zamial said:Your examples are atrocious, maybe even worse than my worst one...but that may be a long stretch. You site people chewing tobacco. ever seen any of those fellas swallow the plug? What about anyone swallow a used cigarette butt? Do you have any idea why not? Because it would make them violently ill at the very least and dead at the worst.
My main concern with using tobacco in a batch is, you have 0 clue where that nicotine is or how it would react in alcohol, let alone a full on fermentation. What if all the nicotine floated or sunk and you ended up condensing it into 1 bottle? what if you or someone you knew got ill or died from YOUR batch? how would that make you feel?
I am not saying do not brew this, I am saying just do not approach this carefree and willy-nilly. If you do decide to brew this, please keep good notes and post your results + recipe.
I hope you do not die.
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scotched said:There are many such as, Virgina
Zamial said:I am actually going to be backing out of this thread. I am not educated enough in the use of tobacco and brewing combined, to have a real conversation on this subject. I also belive there are VERY few people here that are better off than me.
We can all sit here, talk trash/speculate but the reality is NO ONE here can gaurentee a safe tobacco beer, this is my main concern with using tobacco and I believe I have voiced that as completely as I possibly could have. There is a working recipe for a safe cigar brew, granted it is tobacco free, use it or don't. (It is also linked in my recipe drop down.)
One last peice of food for thought...
There are people (like myself) that have taken mind altering drugs to stop using tobacco. I would become extreamly upset if someone gave me a beer that had tobacco in it and did not tell me upfront. IMO this would be grounds for an ass kicking.
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