tobacco beers? anyone heard of them?

[bernerbrau]

Yeah, the shape is kind of creepy. Apparently he makes each one from the hide of a whole cow. I don't see my wife letting me bring one in the house.

 

[Revvy]

I just sew my secondary out of tobacco leaves. :rockin:

That would be dedication.

 

[unionrdr]

Hmmm...Burton haggis anyone?!

 

[Revvy]

Hmmm...Burton haggis anyone?!

Scotch ale maybe?

I just looked at pictures of Haggi (hagguses?) They just look wrong on so many levels...not too different from the big wineskin fermenter.

 

[unionrdr]

Kinda like someone ate an English breakfast & blew chunks in a bladder. But it's supposed to meat & other stuffins put together.

 

[Revvy]

Hey guys, sometime in the last few years someone posted a pic of an antique fermenter they inhertied or bought at an antique store. It was like a leather conical. It was a bag of some sort ( I think leather) that was somewhat conical shaped that had a hole or grommet in the top to hang from a hook. And it had some sort of spigot that might have been ceramic on the bottom. I think it had a faded pic of a bunch of grapes on it.

Does anyone recall that post? Or has anyone ever seen one?

 

[70Cuda383]

wow, the thread took off before I could reply to it!

all those "wonderful flavors" of a cigar are from things done to the tobacco to change it's flavor, it's not pure tobacco. vanilla, cedar, oak, apple spice, etc. why not try to impart THOSE flavors into your grain without the tobacco?

 

[bernerbrau]

wow, the thread took off before I could reply to it!

all those "wonderful flavors" of a cigar are from things done to the tobacco to change it's flavor, it's not pure tobacco. vanilla, cedar, oak, apple spice, etc. why not try to impart THOSE flavors into your grain without the tobacco?

Cigars not made from pure tobacco? If I'm dropping $10-20 each (I don't smoke that often), it'd better be damn close.

 

[cimirie]

I'm not a huge scotch guy, but my uncle (who is) bought me a bottle of one of his favorite, Laphroaig.

What smacks me in the face every time I smell and taste it is tobacco. Not just a little "reminds me of tobacco" flavor, but "damn I'm drinking a cigar" flavor. In fact, my wife asked if I smelled cigars the other night while I sipped a glass.

Point being, I'll assume that this scotch uses copious amounts of peat smoked malt. In large enough quantities, peat might just get you where you want to be. I wouldn't like it in a beer, but you might. Check out Laphroaig and let me know what you think!

 

[cigarmitch]

Most $10-$20 cigar are made of 100% tobacco... Hell even the lower dollar amount ones are too. But some are infused or cured. Infused is not my thing AT ALL. But I have had a few higher dollar cigars that had whiskey introduced into the tobacco at one time or another and they were pretty good and 100% tobacco.

 

[RobWalker]

Ignore me, its been covered.

P.s. haggis tastes amazing!

 

[acuenca]

I'm not a huge scotch guy, but my uncle (who is) bought me a bottle of one of his favorite, Laphroaig.

What smacks me in the face every time I smell and taste it is tobacco. Not just a little "reminds me of tobacco" flavor, but "damn I'm drinking a cigar" flavor. In fact, my wife asked if I smelled cigars the other night while I sipped a glass.

Point being, I'll assume that this scotch uses copious amounts of peat smoked malt. In large enough quantities, peat might just get you where you want to be. I wouldn't like it in a beer, but you might. Check out Laphroaig and let me know what you think!

I love an Islay whisky... The smoky phenolic taste is from peat... but there are smoked and peated malts that can be tried with some of the other suggestionss like vanilla, cedar,oak etc to achieve some of these flavors....

 

[scone]

So all this talk of how dangerous tobacco infusions are is really interesting as I just had a (totally amazing) tobacco infused cocktail a few days ago. This was at a restaurant and it was at tequila/mezcal drink. The flavor was very subtle but very tasty, and according to the waiter they used whole-leave cigar tobacco that had infused for a few hours. He even said that leaving it longer turns it nasty, and definitely leaving it for weeks would probably result in some awful and poisonous concoction. But I don't see why this couldn't work if done carefully.

I don't know if the restaurant steeped the tobacco it in the alcohol, or if they steeped it in the mixer... I would guess the alcohol. I was actually thinking about doing a tobacco infusion for a stout, though I have no idea how much tobacco it would take to peep through the flavors. Perhaps doing a very small tobacco infusion in the bottling bucket for a 6 pack's worth at first is not a bad option. Or a small amount of tobacco infused bourbon to add at bottling time?

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[BrewinBigD]

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[BrewinBigD]

I love an Islay whisky... The smoky phenolic taste is from peat... but there are smoked and peated malts that can be tried with some of the other suggestionss like vanilla, cedar,oak etc to achieve some of these flavors....

I agree that i could use some scotchmaking techniques in making a similar flavor to a cigar. I myself am a cigar and scotch nut(walk in humidor in the basement and dedicated scotch room) i tend to likeall kinds og both. See, this thread has gone sooo many different directions simce i posted it last night. I too agree that infusing tobacco in the mash may jave some harsh comsequences( flavorwise, theres no way i could infuse enough nicotine into the wort to make it lethal because im not an idiot like that) but i could definatley see how lightly smoking the malt with sweeet pipe tobacco or hell, even storing a mesh bag of it under a few pounds of grain for a month would infuse some decent flavors. Im gonna try both ways. Well try a gallon batch w smoked malt and one thats just aroma infused. Wont kill me right? Im not such a ******* that id try a second sip if the first was horrible... thanks for the input guys this was a fast moving thread!

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[bovineblitz]

So all this talk of how dangerous tobacco infusions are is really interesting as I just had a (totally amazing) tobacco infused cocktail a few days ago. This was at a restaurant and it was at tequila/mezcal drink. The flavor was very subtle but very tasty, and according to the waiter they used whole-leave cigar tobacco that had infused for a few hours. He even said that leaving it longer turns it nasty, and definitely leaving it for weeks would probably result in some awful and poisonous concoction. But I don't see why this couldn't work if done carefully.

I don't know if the restaurant steeped the tobacco it in the alcohol, or if they steeped it in the mixer... I would guess the alcohol. I was actually thinking about doing a tobacco infusion for a stout, though I have no idea how much tobacco it would take to peep through the flavors. Perhaps doing a very small tobacco infusion in the bottling bucket for a 6 pack's worth at first is not a bad option. Or a small amount of tobacco infused bourbon to add at bottling time?

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I'd imagine that a small amount would be fine, esp if you contacted the restaurant and asked about their method.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be your guinea pig though.

 

[Revvy]

I agree that i could use some scotchmaking techniques in making a similar flavor to a cigar. I myself am a cigar and scotch nut(walk in humidor in the basement and dedicated scotch room) i tend to likeall kinds og both. See, this thread has gone sooo many different directions simce i posted it last night. I too agree that infusing tobacco in the mash may jave some harsh comsequences( flavorwise, theres no way i could infuse enough nicotine into the wort to make it lethal because im not an idiot like that) but i could definatley see how lightly smoking the malt with sweeet pipe tobacco or hell, even storing a mesh bag of it under a few pounds of grain for a month would infuse some decent flavors. Im gonna try both ways. Well try a gallon batch w smoked malt and one thats just aroma infused. Wont kill me right? Im not such a ******* that id try a second sip if the first was horrible... thanks for the input guys this was a fast moving thread!

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I swear just within the last couple days, maybe saturday when i was trapped at work all day, someone posted a thread about a major peat beer. I thought he described it as being Laphroaig or Lagavulin esque beer. I can't remember enough about the thread to even do a search, but it was a pretty detailed thread.....

 

[Revvy]

*Bam!*

My search-fu is good tonight!!!

100% Peated Ale

 

[GySgtLynn]

I dump about a liter of my Copenhagen spit into the secondary.. Joking.

 

[Zamial]

I have 95% of a working tobaccoless cigar stout recipe. I have had it and it smells and tastes like an unlit cigar to me. It is an extract brew. I am zombifide from lack of sleep and her recipe is missing a few items. I will post the recipe when I have the rest of it, I estimate a few days...

 

[BrewinBigD]

I have 95% of a working tobaccoless cigar stout recipe. I have had it and it smells and tastes like an unlit cigar to me. It is an extract brew. I am zombifide from lack of sleep and her recipe is missing a few items. I will post the recipe when I have the rest of it, I estimate a few days...

I'd be interested to try and brew it. Im trying to get a buddy into brewing so an extract batch would be a great way to get his feet wet!

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[Zamial]

I'd be interested to try and brew it. Im trying to get a buddy into brewing so an extract batch would be a great way to get his feet wet!

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As soon as I get my last 3 items sorted out w/ her recipe I will be posting the recipe in in the recipe section and posting a link to it in this thread. Stay tuned!

 

[vicratlhead51]

I found this thread because of a wierd idea I got from a book called "1001 Beers You Must Try Before You Die". In it there was an Italian brewer that made a beer called Ke To Re Porter that had a " a minimal amount of tobacco" added at the end of the mash. Of course the book wasn't written with homebrewers in mind so they didn't give amounts and from the sound of it adding tobacco straight to the beer could result in poison:cross: but smoking a couple pounds of malt sounds like a good way to go. I am not a smoker, I tried a pipe and just couldn't get into it but I love the way pipe tobacco smells. What kind of flavors do you get when smoking malt with tobacco? Do you get the nice sweet aroma or is it the ashy taste you get when you actually smoke it? In other words I don't want to waste time making beer that tastes like an ashtray but if I can somehow get that sweet tobacco aroma in a nice porter it'd be awesome.

 

[Zamial]

Update: I did talk with the brewer and have the completed recipe. I will try to remeber to post it up when I get home. Stupid holiday's are killing me...

 

[gr8shandini]

I'd have to say that all the talk of tobacco being poisonous are a bit alarmist. Your beer would be undrinkably nasty well before it would be dangerous. After all, alcohol is a poison, too, and not many want to do without that.

 

[vicratlhead51]

I'd have to say that all the talk of tobacco being poisonous are a bit alarmist. Your beer would be undrinkably nasty well before it would be dangerous. After all, alcohol is a poison, too, and not many want to do without that.

I was thinking it but wasn't going to say it, happy some one else did. I just didn't want to start a flame. I'm sure you're right and it's obviously true that it can be done safely since a professional brewer has actually done it. I'd just be a little worried about over doing it on a homebrew scale without knowing the proper amount to start. I did a smoked porter a couple months ago that tastes fantastic, I used briess smoked malt to make it but that stuff was 2.99 a pound and even the guy at the store suggested I try smoking my own malt so I was thinking I could get a lot of interesting flavors smoking my malt with different types of wood. It just seemed natural to apply the same idea to tobacco. Kind of gotten addicted to smoked beers all of a sudden and this idea seemed interesting.

 

[Zamial]

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f68/tobaccoless-cigar-stout-recipe-maduro-stout-288773/#post3592861

yep there it is. Have fun!

 

[harrydrez]

I'd have to say that all the talk of tobacco being poisonous are a bit alarmist. Your beer would be undrinkably nasty well before it would be dangerous. After all, alcohol is a poison, too, and not many want to do without that.

40-60 mg of nicotine can kill you.

 

[gr8shandini]

40-60 mg of nicotine can kill you.

From wikipedia:

Sixty milligrams of nicotine (the amount in about 30-40 cigarettes ), has the potential to kill an adult who is not a smoker if all of the nicotine were absorbed.

So just try to keep it under two packs per pint.

 

[Zamial]

Sorry for dredging up a strange and off beat brew. Just as a reminder the recipe I posted uses no tobacco of any kind. It just tastes like a cigar. I agree with the above posts and the idea of brewing with tobacco is NOT a good one.