American Pale Ale Three Floyds Zombie Dust Clone

[Zippox]

When I do this recipe i only add my bittering hops then I do 4 oz at FO and and 4 more at 165 degrees whirlpool. Huge improvement!!

I really like this idea. I think I will do exactly that.

 

[Zippox]

And what is your timing on the FO and whirlpool hops?

 

[gotbags-10]

And what is your timing on the FO and whirlpool hops?

It usually takes the FO addition about 25 min or so to drop down to my whirlpool temp. Then I usually do about the same 25-30 min for whirlpool. Make sure you keep a lid on your kettle. Don't want to lose that great aroma. Also if you don't have pump revirculating give the pot a stir every 5 min to keep the hops suspended. Another big help was getting the ph dialed into 5.4 really helps hops to come through.

 

[madscientistbrewNq]

Anybody went with s05 and perhaps citra, moteuka, and mosaic?

 

[grrickar]

Brewed a 5 gallon batch with the OP's recipe. Not sure how close to ZD it is, since I have none on hand. But this is by and far my most favorite brew to date. Everyone that has tried it raved about it, and numerous persons said I should enter it in a competition.

I hope for the same success on my next batch.

 

[Steve3730]

So i took the original grain bill added a pound of sugar to bump the abv and added nelson Sauvin to the hop schedule mixed with citra.

I'm horrible at describing tastings but here it goes. Smell is strong citra but definitely has a little something mixed in there. In the taste I'm actually picking up alot of orange/orange peel and the bitterness doesn't hit you until way late

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[Zippox]

All ingredients picked up and ready to be brewed this weekend. I plan to do:
.75 oz Citra @ FWH
4 oz Citra @ Flame out for 20 min (stirring every few minutes to create whirlpool)
4 oz Citra @ 20 minutes into flame out @165*F for an additional 30 minutes (stirring every few minutes to create whirlpool)
Dry hop with 3 oz

== 11.75 oz hops

 

[copper2hopper]

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Cheers! And good luck! This is mighty tasty on this disgusting hot humid day. This ones my s-04 yeast batch. Gonna pull one off my 1968 tapper in a few.

 

[copper2hopper]

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My set up filled with sweet sweet deliciousness.

 

[grrickar]

Brewing this again this weekend. I slightly increased the malt bill and the hops. Overall I am very well pleased with this recipe. Thanks for sharing it!

I haven't seen a single person who wasn't impressed with this beer. I think it could even convert some non-hopheads to good beer...

 

[atimmerman88]

Beating a dead horse here but I made this per the OP recipe. Outstanding. From my memory it's right on track with ZD!

Props skeezer

 

[Zippox]

Successful brew-day yesterday.
.75 oz Citra @ FWH, 4 oz Citra @ Flame out for 20 min (lots of stirring and leaving the lid on),
4 oz Citra @ 20 minutes into flame out @170*F for an additional 25 min

I was 4 gravity points high pre-boil and again 4 high post-boil (1.070), but other than that I hit my mash temp and didn't face any troubles. Should yield ~7.0% beer instead of 6.5%.

I didn't realize that my boil kettle trub loss is 1 gallon when I use ~9oz hops. So instead of getting 5.5 gallons into my fermenter I got 5.

 

[Zippox]

Anyone have an opinion for dry hopping for a few days in the primary bucket? I'm assuming the whole oxygen permeability thing doesn't apply here because it would be such a short term thing.

It'd be convenient if I could just throw pellets into the bucket and close the lid. (I will cold crash after 4 days)

 

[Psylocide]

Anyone have an opinion for dry hopping for a few days in the primary bucket? I'm assuming the whole oxygen permeability thing doesn't apply here because it would be such a short term thing.

It'd be convenient if I could just throw pellets into the bucket and close the lid. (I will cold crash after 4 days)

Dry hopping in your bucket is fine. I would venture a guess that most people here do just that.

I dry hop in my primary carboy every time.

 

[stonebrewer]

+1; I dry hop in primary as often as the keg...Vinnie at RR says it is better to dry hop late in the primary fermentation stage...uhm, he makes outstanding beers so we should listen to him. Cheers!

T

 

[rustedbucket]

Just a quick aside....

I've been wondering lately, and have had a couple acquaintances from my LHBS suggest as well, if Cara 60 is a little too dark for this. Copper and I have made 8-9 versions of this so far and lately they've been pretty dark. What impact would Cara 20 or 30L have here?

 

[atimmerman88]

Made a second batch of this before my 1st keg had kicked.

I really like the grain bill for this, and the hoping schedule.

Made a batch with all Zythos.

 

[Zippox]

Opened the lid @day 10 and took a taste. Not too bad -- but I do detect the "cat piss" aroma that came from boiling 0.75 oz of Citra for 60 minutes (well technically FWH). I don't necessarily mind it, as I also like wine that has that same characteristic. It's for the most part pretty subtle though. Anyways -- I added 3 oz Citra for dryhopping and will let that run another 3 days and then I'll cold crash it.

OG: 1.070
FG: 1.018
calculated ABV: 6.83
--Pretty close to the original recipe so I can't be mad about that.

After this is in a bottle for a few weeks I'll write back with my thoughts and if I can no longer detect the "cat piss" aroma.

 

[TxBigHops]

Just a quick aside....

I've been wondering lately, and have had a couple acquaintances from my LHBS suggest as well, if Cara 60 is a little too dark for this. Copper and I have made 8-9 versions of this so far and lately they've been pretty dark. What impact would Cara 20 or 30L have here?

If my memory is correct, I believe I came to the same conclusion. I'd have to check my notes at home later to be sure, but I think I replaced the C60 with half C20 and half C40. It still came out a little dark, which also reminds me that I don't think I ever posted a pic. Gonna pop one of these babies tonight, and try to remember to snap one and post it.

 

[TxBigHops]

Here's my Zombie Dust, bottled back in February. Very enjoyable! The pic is a little blurry, but the beer is very clear.

 

[gotbags-10]

Here's a current batch for color comparison
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[Zippox]

Opened the lid @day 10 and took a taste. Not too bad -- but I do detect the "cat piss" aroma that came from boiling 0.75 oz of Citra for 60 minutes (well technically FWH). I don't necessarily mind it, as I also like wine that has that same characteristic. It's for the most part pretty subtle though. Anyways -- I added 3 oz Citra for dryhopping and will let that run another 3 days and then I'll cold crash it.

OG: 1.070
FG: 1.018
calculated ABV: 6.83
--Pretty close to the original recipe so I can't be mad about that.

After this is in a bottle for a few weeks I'll write back with my thoughts and if I can no longer detect the "cat piss" aroma.

After having been in the bottle for 2 weeks the "cat piss" aroma has gone. Pretty good beer, soon to be even better I'm sure in the next couple weeks.

 

[CelticSmoke]

Having never tasted the real thing before, is ZD pretty malt forward? Or is there more "emphasis" on the citra? If anyone on here has ever had Surly Furious, do they compare? Really want to brew this as I can't get 3F here in Minneapolis.

 

[TallDan]

Having never tasted the real thing before, is ZD pretty malt forward? Or is there more "emphasis" on the citra? If anyone on here has ever had Surly Furious, do they compare? Really want to brew this as I can't get 3F here in Minneapolis.

This beer is all about the hops. The malt is in there, but buried under a half pound of hops.

To me, Furious to me is a little more typical of an American IPA. Solid bitterness and lots of hop aroma and flavor from a blend of american hops. In comparison, Zombie Dust gives the impression of being less bitter, while having even more hop aroma and flavor from a single variety of hops. Disclaimer: While I've had both beers may times, I haven't had either beer in at least a month, so this is based on memory. I also don't think I've ever had both beers in the same sitting.

I'd say that they are similar in that I would classify both as excellent American IPAs, but very different beers within that style.

 

[CelticSmoke]

Thanks TallDan. Makes sense that the malt is playing second fiddle to citra. I think this may be one of the next brews, once Northern decides to lift the limit on citra hops available for purchase at one time. It's currently only 8 oz per person!

 

[stonebrewer]

Thanks TallDan. Makes sense that the malt is playing second fiddle to citra. I think this may be one of the next brews, once Northern decides to lift the limit on citra hops available for purchase at one time. It's currently only 8 oz per person!

http://www.farmhousebrewingsupply.com/citra-1-lb-2014-new-crop/

Go with these guys...no limits to your brew day!

 

[bguzz]

Did u do any dryhop on this? I love the idea of it.

When I do this recipe i only add my bittering hops then I do 4 oz at FO and and 4 more at 165 degrees whirlpool. Huge improvement!!

 

[gotbags-10]

Did u do any dryhop on this? I love the idea of it.

Sure do. Another 4 oz. About to start another batch tomorrow. I plan on using Conan yeast this time. Takes it kinda away from zombie dust though.

 

[Zippox]

I created a new thread where I ask why this beer came out cloudy. Never had that happen for me.
Here's the link - https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=541661

Anyways, the beer TASTES great, just very unappealing. I used gotbags-10's hopping technique/schedule.

 

[Paul_Aris]

Longer it sits in the keg or refridge the ckearer it gets. Minr oerfectly clear now.