The Walking dead

[Fenduh]

I actually like the Gov...he's at least an interesting character. The peeps back at the prison are becoming boring (Except Maggie...nothing boring about her). Still waiting for Rick to break the news to Daryl about Carol.

I wonder if the writers will have the cahoonas to kill off anyone from the core group in the impending battle for the prison.

 

[captainkirk83]

I actually like the Gov...he's at least an interesting character. The peeps back at the prison are becoming boring (Except Maggie...nothing boring about her). Still waiting for Rick to break the news to Daryl about Carol.

I wonder if the writers will have the cahoonas to kill off anyone from the core group in the impending battle for the prison.

I agree he keeps the show interesting. I don't care to watch Rick and the game farm and play games all day. We need action and human bad guys especially pirates are always wore interesting and dangerous than mindless zombies.

 

[JohnnyO]

I actually like the Gov...he's at least an interesting character. The peeps back at the prison are becoming boring (Except Maggie...nothing boring about her). Still waiting for Rick to break the news to Daryl about Carol.

I wonder if the writers will have the cahoonas to kill off anyone from the core group in the impending battle for the prison.

I'm pretty sure there will be casualties. The previews showed Michonne in the Gov's sights. Pretty sure Herschel was in that shot as well.

 

[emjay]

I'm pretty sure there will be casualties. The previews showed Michonne in the Gov's sights. Pretty sure Herschel was in that shot as well.

I seriously doubt he shows his hand prematurely like that before the actual upcoming siege he'll apparently be organizing.

Then again, sometimes I give TV and film writers way too much credit. Especially since I'm already having a hard time reconciling how characters like the nurse and the ******* can be talked into such an UNPROVOKED attack.

 

[Zuljin]

His character is good as a villain. It does add interest to the show. It's a strong layer in the story. He's still a villain.

From the perspective of a character in the show, especially one in the prison, he needs killing.

 

[chawagi]

Didn't The Gov and his goons murder a group of soldiers and steal their supplies early on in last season?

It's the apocalypse. You either get, or get got. Would you want a platoon of armed,possibly rogue soldiers at your back door?

Walker Games. Justified?

How better to diminish a fear than to face it and ridicule it. In the history of the human race, one of our most most advanced societies used to have orgies while slaves and POWs were fed to lions. Walker games are pretty tame next to that.

Hunting down michone and Andrea just because they had differing opinions. Having Merle torture glen and threatening Maggie. Are these justified?

I already admitted that he went off the deep end after Penny. However, he was driven to that. Like I said last week, regardless of the reason, the prison group struck at him first, not the other way around

 

[emjay]

I actually really didn't like him in season three. And I don't mean in the sense that people don't generally "like" the antagonist of a story, but rather that I just found him so annoying and even detrimental to the series that I was pretty disappointed when it became obvious that he'd make it further than the 3rd season finale.

But I actually find I don't really mind him so much this time around. I mean, the psychopathic/serial killer-ish "episodes" he falls into seem more contrived than ever, but oddly enough I'm somehow interested in the character enough now that I'm even actually fine with these brief moments. Never would have thought that would be the case during/immediately after the 3rd season; I was actually even convinced that the fact the writers were still hanging onto "The Gov" character was a sign that they were out of good ideas, and that his continued presence would spell the certain demise of the series... at the very least for me, anyways. But I'm very glad they've managed to avoid this - in fact, I even think this is (so far) the best season since the first. :rockin::zombie:

 

[emjay]

I already admitted that he went off the deep end after Penny. However, he was driven to that. Like I said last week, regardless of the reason, the prison group struck at him first, not the other way around

The heck are you talking about? HE "struck first" by (sanctioning) the abducting and torturing of Glen and Maggie.

 

[chawagi]

The heck are you talking about? HE "struck first" by (sanctioning) the abducting and torturing of Glen and Maggie.

Actually, Merle did that on his own. Merle was only supposed to be hunting down Mishone--who left simply because the leader of the society didn't want a stranger roaming around the town with a weapon.

The animosity between the groups began because of Merle and Mishone who escalated things; Merle by making the governor believe the prison group was a threat, and Mishone by doing the same with the prison group. That is what led to the subsequent interrogation and rescue operation where the casualties and hatred began.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the guy is a saint, but he's not as evil as everyone is making him out to be. Most of what he has done has been reactive rather than initiative.

 

[PRE66_6TART]

I already admitted that he went off the deep end after Penny. However, he was driven to that. Like I said last week, regardless of the reason, the prison group struck at him first, not the other way around

You got your timeline mixed up. Hunting down Michone and torturing Glenn and Maggie was before Michone put penny down. And the only reason he didn't strike the prison first is because he didn't find out about it soon enough. Why do you think he was torturing Glenn and Maggie?

One of the things I like about this show is they don't do the whole black and white good guys vs. bad guys thing. The so called "good guys" do bad things sometimes and the "bad guys" do good things, and good and bad itself is hard to define. And they do a good job of showing how otherwise normal people can be driven to the decisions they make when the social order is gone and survival is on the line. But the governor is about as bad as they get. Everybody on the show has gone through the same things he has, and most of them don't become sadistic, backstabbing psychopaths in the name of protecting their "family." Yes, hard choices have to be made, but he goes way beyond doing what he has to do. I think he enjoys it.

 

[chawagi]

You got your timeline mixed up. Hunting down Michone and torturing Glenn and Maggie was before Michone put penny down. And the only reason he didn't strike the prison first is because he didn't find out about it soon enough. Why do you think he was torturing Glenn and Maggie?

No. My timeline is good. I understand what you are saying, but it was Merle who brought Glenn and Maggie to Woodbury, and escalated the situation to the point that the interrogation and torture occurred. Just as Mishone escalated things in the prison group to the point where they felt they needed a covert rescue operation. The really horrible things the governor did didn't occur until after the rescue and killing of Penny by Mishone.

Too many people are looking at this in a "comfort of your own living room" state of mind. You need to look at this in a post-apocalyptic frame of mind. Consider the state of the world today with about 200 sovereign nations globally that are separated by geography just as much as political boundaries. Consider the war and hatred we deal with every day due to simple ideological differences between governments. Now consider the fact that in the world in which The Walking Dead occurs you may have 200+ sovereigns in the borders of North America alone; some ruled by strong-men, some by derelicts, and some by those holding to the old-republic ways. It will take a man like the governor to ensure the survival of his group and an eventual return to "normal" society

 

[PRE66_6TART]

No. My timeline is good. I understand what you are saying, but it was Merle who brought Glenn and Maggie to Woodbury, and escalated the situation to the point that the interrogation and torture occurred. Just as Mishone escalated things in the prison group to the point where they felt they needed a covert rescue operation. The really horrible things the governor did didn't occur until after the rescue and killing of Penny by Mishone. Too many people are looking at this in a "comfort of your own living room" state of mind. You need to look at this in a post-apocalyptic frame of mind. Consider the state of the world today with about 200 sovereign nations globally that are separated by geography just as much as political boundaries. Consider the war and hatred we deal with every day due to simple ideological differences between governments. Now consider the fact that in the world in which The Walking Dead occurs you may have 200+ sovereigns in the borders of North America alone; some ruled by strong-men, some by derelicts, and some by those holding to the old-republic ways. It will take a man like the governor to ensure the survival of his group and an eventual return to "normal" society

Merle was a thug. The governor was the one in charge of the situation. Merle kidnapped them on his own but everything that happened from that point on was all the governor. And the pseudo rape scene with Maggie was just disturbing. And him sending Merle to kill Mishone was directly responsible for her coming back and "killing" his beloved Penny,, so he brought that on himself. And don't forget that while all this was happening he was still happily carrying on an intimate relationship with Andrea while he was secretly having her friends killed. And all this was before the Penny incident.

Remember him whistling while he hunted down Andrea in the warehouse, the look of pleasure on his face when he was setting up his elaborate torture room? It might never have surfaced in the normal world, but he had a sadistic sociopathic side to him that was always lurking there. Them hinting about his abusive father helps explain this. I agree with your broader points about the world, and men like the governor often do end up in positions of power. The world is full of sociopathic dictators. Sometimes it works out for their people, and sometimes it doesn't go so well for them. It didn't work out too well for the governor's last group. But I think more often than not those dictators are acting in their own self interests more than any altruistic desire to protect their people. I think the chess metaphors are important here. His people are all just pawns to him, and like he said "you can lose a lot of soldiers and still win the game." That's what's important to him. He will win at any cost and he doesn't care who he has to sacrifice.

 

[Mindsculptor]

I just watched six and seven. Yeah, the Governor is still an ******* that needs to die. Unfortunately it appears that he has access to a tank.

 

[captainkirk83]

I just watched six and seven. Yeah, the Governor is still an ******* that needs to die. Unfortunately it appears that he has access to a tank.

Unfortunate if you're in the prison. Awesome if your into good zombie apocalypse entertainment.

 

[Zuljin]

Heads in fish tanks. Gunning down his own people. He's a bad guy. Of course he does things he needs to survive. Even bad guys have to breathe. That doesn't make them good guys.

 

[Mindsculptor]

Unfortunate if you're in the prison. Awesome if your into good zombie apocalypse entertainment.

I'd like to see somebody with the balls to do a movie or series involving a moderately realistic portrayal of a zombie apocalypse. A single summer and winter and your zombie problem is little more than an ocassional nuisance.

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

I'd like to see somebody with the balls to do a movie or series involving a moderately realistic portrayal of a zombie apocalypse. A single summer and winter and your zombie problem is little more than an ocassional nuisance.

WTF? I'd like to see a moderately realistic movie of the Peter Pan story, but I see a problem or two in achieving that.

 

[Airborneguy]

I'd like to see somebody with the balls to do a movie or series involving a moderately realistic portrayal of a zombie apocalypse. A single summer and winter and your zombie problem is little more than an ocassional nuisance.

Agreed. The fact that this has lasted so long is more unrealistic at this point than a zombie apocalypse happening in the first place. The only thing that saves them is the fact that anyone who dies turns. This gives them an "out" to explain hordes of walkers still being around after a few years.

I'm sure others here saw the article a few weeks back online regarding what nature would do to "real" zombies. Animals and bacteria would decimate them in nearly no time at all.

 

[cheezydemon3]

Agreed. The fact that this has lasted so long is more unrealistic at this point than a zombie apocalypse happening in the first place. The only thing that saves them is the fact that anyone who dies turns. This gives them an "out" to explain hordes of walkers still being around after a few years.

I'm sure others here saw the article a few weeks back online regarding what nature would do to "real" zombies. Animals and bacteria would decimate them in nearly no time at all.

"Dead" tissue reanimating is effing preposterous. Even if there was some miracle drug that would re-animate dead organs (like the heart and brain) there is no delivery system.

Even if this serum was delivered directly into the heart or brain, the tissue is dead, inert. It would have to be manually inserted into every cell.

Aliens are the only plausable apocalyptic survival horror baddies.

 

[LabRatBrewer]

WTF? I'd like to see a moderately realistic movie of the Peter Pan story, but I see a problem or two in achieving that.

I don't know about realism, but Julia Roberts was a TILF (Tinker)

 

[cheezydemon3]

I don't know about realism, but Julia Roberts was a TILF (Tinker)

Um, that's a Filf......and you must have a TINY penis.

 

[HoppyDaze]

Um, that's a Filf......and you must have a TINY penis.

Imagine how big she would make it look though...

 

[Airborneguy]

Wow

 

[jafo28]

I don't know if i'm more pissed that they killed Hershel, or that I have to wait until February for a new episode.

 

[coinhall09]

Wow ! Great show , didn't like the hersh dying but it's a show . I did see rick popping out behind the bus and fighting the Gov , and I figured Mershone coming from behind , but great action !

Now we are on the road agian!

 

[pumpkinman2012]

Wow, that was a powerful episode, pretty ****ty that they killed off Hershel and possibly the baby, but on the bright side that psycho piece of crap Gov is dead.

 

[JohnnyO]

That was awesome. Definitely sad to see hershel go, but it might show for a lot more action, without him there as a moral compass.

Anyone else think that little girl killed Karen, and Carol is trading the blame for her? Call might have helped her drag the bodies and burn them after the girl killed them. Her marksmanship was scary in this episode.

 

[usfmikeb]

I don't think Carol is out of this show yet. With Tyrese still not aware of what happened with Carol and the group split up and on the run, I expect Carol to find Tyrese and the girls in the second half of the season.

 

[chawagi]

Wow, that was a powerful episode, pretty ****ty that they killed off Hershel and possibly the baby, but on the bright side that psycho piece of crap Gov is dead.

I'm not counting the baby out yet. That was a pretty glaring omission from the Talking Dead In Memorium segment. I think (hope) we'll find Judith somewhere safe with Beth and Daryl. That was why she left the bus after all.

On a side note, How much hotter is Maggie now that we've gotten to see her in makeup, a short skirt, and that British accent?

 

[roastquake]

How much hotter is Maggie now that we've gotten to see her in makeup, a short skirt, and that British accent?

yes indeed, but the fake Georgia accent really does it for me. anyway, my predictions:

1. Carol has to come back somehow. I think that's one we can count on

2. We're going to meet a new hostile group. Probably whoever raided the camp that the gov and the soldiers from the new (now dead) group were going to raid but didn't.