The San Diego area thread

[SerenityNow]

Too much $$ and too much time... good cause though

Well, skip the to-go bottles, but the charity tickets are only $15 and you often get that much or more in return on the Giving Tree.

 

[GhettoFabulous]

What if I just bring back the empty carton; would I be able to get a refund then?[/QUOT, I never dumped the nasty Rumskull I opened up last weekend just in case they wanted proof of its putrid state, which was admittedly paranoid on my part.

Disgustingly, I never dumped the nasty Rumskull I opened up last weekend just in case they wanted proof of its putrid state, which was admittedly paranoid on my part.

 

[smithj21541]

I know people are over Lost Abbey beers here, but there's some fairly limited to go beers for Xmas in July (and the event itself is for a good cause, Toys for Tots).

Too much $$ and too much time... good cause though

Always a fun event and great charity. I'll be there with my little ones it's a nice test run for the December santa pictures.

 

[rcubed1]

You guys just made me buy a 12 pack of Modelo Especial.

 

[eb1]

I don't get why this time it is an issue. I don't recall the uproar for MT nor for BottleLogic. Both could verify purchases via BPT and Eventbrite but still required empites / full(ies). Alesmith is more like MT though in that it would verify you purchased it via eventbrite as well as have the bottle. Whereas with BL, they didn't do the secondary check and were accepting bottles from anybody that brought them in.

Would someone be able to post or message me the email from Alesmith?

Something that also sets this one a little bit apart from Modern Times and Bottle Logic is that they don't allow proxies, so it was on the purchaser of those ones to get the bottles and on them to return them. With proxies it puts an added little twist in how these were distributed. I picked up bottles for an out of state friend, I have not sent them yet, but with proxies you're inherently casting a wider net and making it much harder for those out of staters to get their bottles back to Alesmith.

 

[blackzag05]

You guys just made me buy a 12 pack of Modelo Especial.

#talkbeermademe #tshirtidea

 

[SerenityNow]

#talkbeermademe #tshirtidea

Get in line! Still waiting on the dontdrinkbeer Barleywine Mountain shirt! #NeverForget

 

[sdreaper]

Congrats ModernTimesSteven . Vote passed 3-2 and the discussion between the commissioners was enough to sway a no vote to a yes. Economic Evolution discussion saves the day!

 

[nanobrew1]

Congrats ModernTimesSteven . Vote passed 3-2 and the discussion between the commissioners was enough to sway a no vote to a yes. Economic Evolution discussion saves the day!

Who voted no and what was their reasoning?

 

[sdreaper]

Who voted no and what was their reasoning?

The minutes will likely be posted this evening / tomorrow morning since I don't remember the names of those that voted...but the reasoning was primarily saturation of alcohol establishments in the 6 blocks of downtown encinitas. I believe the total was 29 with 16 being within 2 blocks of MT's desired location.

 

[nanobrew1]

The minutes will likely be posted this evening / tomorrow morning since I don't remember the names of those that voted...but the reasoning was primarily saturation of alcohol establishments in the 6 blocks of downtown encinitas. I believe the total was 29 with 16 being within 2 blocks of MT's desired location.

Hmm, while 5 per block sounds like a lot, i would bet that included every restaurant that serves beer or wine, so not really comparable. Also, from my berry limited knowledge, typically the number of licenses are predetermined for an area. So if there are licenses available, it was already planned that it would not be too many.

Overall, i typically dislike how much government tries to interfere with businesses. Make your laws, and if someone violates them, punish them. Don't hold other people back because of "potential" wrong doings or the faults of others.

 

[sdreaper]

They included every liquor license. So yes, restaurants, bars, even the 7-11 liquor permit to sell.

MT would be only the 2nd type-23 (I believe 2nd...might have been 3rd) in the neighborhood.

Another thing that some individuals couldn't get over was the max capacity of 150 individuals. I guess they assumed the place would have 150ppl at all times while it was operating.

 

[Sebowski1]

Hmm, while 5 per block sounds like a lot, i would bet that included every restaurant that serves beer or wine, so not really comparable. Also, from my berry limited knowledge, typically the number of licenses are predetermined for an area. So if there are licenses available, it was already planned that it would not be too many.

Overall, i typically dislike how much government tries to interfere with businesses. Make your laws, and if someone violates them, punish them. Don't hold other people back because of "potential" wrong doings or the faults of others.

These satellite tasting rooms are loopholes around the predetermined number of licenses in an area. They aren't new licenses. They are duplicates of a current license.

Oh don't sell yourself short. I think you have great knowledge and insight on berries.

 

[Xul1]

These satellite tasting rooms are loopholes around the predetermined number of licenses in an area. They aren't new licenses. They are duplicates of a current license.

I'm only somewhat versed in the legalese behind liquor licenses, but can you expand on that a bit? Stone and Fieldwork both have licenses for all of their satellite tasting rooms and a quick CA ABC License search shows that Modern Times has several locations licensed, including a pending license in Encinitas. Is there a difference in state ABC license vs a city/township/local license and how that's treated?

Edit: I remember when Stone first started this trend, Greg Koch mentioned that the satellite tasting rooms were somehow an offshoot of the main brewery license so that the satellite locations could be treated as brewery facilities rather than bars, but it sounded like they were still a distinct liquor license in the eyes of various government agencies for the sake of limiting the number of establishments that serve alcohol.

 

[sdreaper]

nanobrew someone took a picture of the final vote.

The motion was to oppose the staff recommendation and approve Modern Times.

Basically the entire thing was initially a double negative. People were getting confused when entering in their support. Typically I want to support MT but I had to check the box that I disapprove of the initial motion which was to not let MT in...so 23 disapprovals from ppl that did not speak meant we were for MT.

A nice lesson in how to confuse a room full of ppl.

Greg was the commissioner that brought up the economic evolution discussion and Kevin was the guy that flipped because of it.

 

[souredstouts]

nanobrew someone took a picture of the final vote.

The motion was to oppose the staff recommendation and approve Modern Times.

Basically the entire thing was initially a double negative. People were getting confused when entering in their support. Typically I want to support MT but I had to check the box that I disapprove of the initial motion which was to not let MT in...so 23 disapprovals from ppl that did not speak meant we were for MT.

A nice lesson in how to confuse a room full of ppl.

Greg was the commissioner that brought up the economic evolution discussion and Kevin was the guy that flipped because of it.

I'm so confused. What I do know that MT is walking distance now.....

 

[chemman141]

I'm only somewhat versed in the legalese behind liquor licenses, but can you expand on that a bit? Stone and Fieldwork both have licenses for all of their satellite tasting rooms and a quick CA ABC License search shows that Modern Times has several locations licensed, including a pending license in Encinitas. Is there a difference in state ABC license vs a city/township/local license and how that's treated?

Edit: I remember when Stone first started this trend, Greg Koch mentioned that the satellite tasting rooms were somehow an offshoot of the main brewery license so that the satellite locations could be treated as brewery facilities rather than bars, but it sounded like they were still a distinct liquor license in the eyes of various government agencies for the sake of limiting the number of establishments that serve alcohol.

I also have a somewhat limited understanding of this. From my understanding breweries with a type 23 are allowed X number of satellite tasting room licenses. These are fairly simple to get, and don't require acquiring a new "license", just essentially indicating to the ABC that they want to open a satellite tasting room. There is a limit of how many of those you can have however before you need to apply for a new type 23 license.

 

[Phischy1]

An tasting room doesn't carry its own license and is an extension off the brewery license. The big thing is when applying g for a satellite tasting room you don't have to go through all the public commentary which can slow down a project for months and months.

As far as Encinitas goes, they don't want downtown to be another PB. PB has too many licenses and isn't issuing any new ones. AFAIK from my friends who own property there and are active in the area politics.

 

[chemman141]

An tasting room doesn't carry its own license and is an extension off the brewery license. The big thing is when applying g for a satellite tasting room you don't have to go through all the public commentary which can slow down a project for months and months.

As far as Encinitas goes, they don't want downtown to be another PB. PB has too many licenses and isn't issuing any new ones. AFAIK from my friends who own property there and are active in the area politics.

And you're only allowed so many copies.

 

[sdreaper]

A link got posted last night to the full council meeting.

http://encinitas.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=7&clip_id=1556

 

[SerenityNow]

Wake me up when #TalkLicense is over

 

[Phischy1]

And you're only allowed so many copies.

I think it's 4? Stone shut down the South Park location to open one downtown. Or something like that.

Tasting rooms have the biggest ROI so it's I treating to see where they open and the market is more and more crowded.

 

[chemman141]

I think it's 4? Stone shut down the South Park location to open one downtown. Or something like that.

Tasting rooms have the biggest ROI so it's I treating to see where they open and the market is more and more crowded.

I think you're right on the 4. In stones case, I believe the liberty station one is it's own license seperate from the main brewery.

 

[arren]

#TalkCoffee time: anyone get any local beans that rocked your socks off? I have a bag of Slate that should've come today in time for the weekend, but that's not happening due to my fat fingers entering the wrong address. It'd be nice to have some sort of consolation for my incompetence

 

[sdreaper]

I think you're right on the 4. In stones case, I believe the liberty station one is it's own license seperate from the main brewery.

I would imagine that it has to be separate from the main facility since they brew down there. So in essence it isn't just a tasting room but also a production brewery. Kind of like what is going in at Anaheim and LA for ModernTimes. Encinitas would be solely a tasting room with no brewing capacity.

 

[nanobrew1]

#TalkCoffee time: anyone get any local beans that rocked your socks off? I have a bag of Slate that should've come today in time for the weekend, but that's not happening due to my fat fingers entering the wrong address. It'd be nice to have some sort of consolation for my incompetence

It is going to be hot AF, get some of those bourbon cold brew cans from MT. I will probably be doing a pickup this afternoon

 

[rcubed1]

Brewing equipment = new/it's own license. #TalkLicense

#TalkCoffee time: anyone get any local beans that rocked your socks off? I have a bag of Slate that should've come today in time for the weekend, but that's not happening due to my fat fingers entering the wrong address. It'd be nice to have some sort of consolation for my incompetence

Wish I new more about coffee but I picked up the friendship blend (I think that's what it is called) from Dark Horse last weekend. I enjoy it.

 

[chemman141]

I would imagine that it has to be separate from the main facility since they brew down there. So in essence it isn't just a tasting room but also a production brewery. Kind of like what is going in at Anaheim and LA for ModernTimes. Encinitas would be solely a tasting room with no brewing capacity.

Yup, that's what I thought but wasn't 100% sure.

 

[arren]

It is going to be hot AF, get some of those bourbon cold brew cans from MT. I will probably be doing a pickup this afternoon

What time? I'm off at noonish today and have no real plans.

Brewing equipment = new/it's own license. #TalkLicense




Wish I new more about coffee but I picked up the friendship blend (I think that's what it is called) from Dark Horse last weekend. I enjoy it.

I should probably give Dark Horse another chance - I ditched them a couple years ago because I was having major consistency issues with their beans, and the baristas in the cafes really didn't give a **** about the coffee they were making.

Also didn't help that their last fantastic beans fell off in literally five days to undrinkable standards.

 

[rcubed1]

What time? I'm off at noonish today and have no real plans.


I should probably give Dark Horse another chance - I ditched them a couple years ago because I was having major consistency issues with their beans, and the baristas in the cafes really didn't give a **** about the coffee they were making.

Also didn't help that their last fantastic beans fell off in literally five days to undrinkable standards.

I'm going to the Normal Heights location FWIW. It looks like from the roof that they have a roaster there so maybe locations will vary in quality?