The RDWHAH experiment

[ArtVandelay]

Neat idea but what about just screwing up a few processes and not all of them? Seems like with so many "mess ups" your odds for failure are unfairly high and would in a perceived sense prove that RDWHAB is made up concept and won't magically protect your brew from any unfathomable thing(s) you can do to it.

With a few screw ups, it'll probably still turn out fine and you can say you RDWHAHB'd and everything was fine.

 

[funkapottomous]

Make sure every time you intentionally make a "mistake"
You actually drink a home brew.

This friends is what known as an independent variable.


as ingestion of homebrew increases, occurrences of mistakes shall rise exponentially.



also, why not mix the wort with your hands?

 

[mitch171]

But if the test is to see that RDWHAHB is effective, you must actually relax, not worry and have a home brew after each "mistake."

 

[Clayton]

sound like an idea....
but i have to say if you mash but dont boil
this will not turn out good,
malt is full of bacteria molds and yeast
that are uneffected by a 165 mash and they will have been growing happy from the start of the mash unlike the yeast you will pitch 1 day later with no airlock
all that oxygen will let acetobacter and lactobacillus run crazy

even cave men knew you had to boil the wort.
its my contention that you can get away with just about any mistake with a proper boil and a large enough yeast starter.

there have been many batches i made were a moth or fruit fly, landed in the kettel during chilling and got dumped in to the carboy and the beer was fine , but i was pissed when i saw it floating there.

 

[McKBrew]

Write down everything you do wrong. In the end post a "Is My Beer Ruined" thread that reads like this.

so i made some beer yesterday and am not for sure if it will turn out i forgot to add the yeast until this morning didn't have any hops so i used tea bags was out of bleach and then used comet to sanitize but didnt rinse...............

 

[vgoreham]

Three words: "Hot side aeration". Make sure you get some of this.

PS: This reminds me of the dude who spit in a couple of bottles as he bottled his brew. What ever happened there? I can't find the thread.

Edit: This - https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f11/beer-bottle-sanatitation-test-163376/index2.html

 

[smizak]

Three words: "Hot side aeration". Make sure you get some of this.

I think you can get that from Bigfoot or the Tooth Fairy.

 

[vgoreham]

I think you can get that from Bigfoot or the Tooth Fairy.

Exactly, a risk free addition to his list.

 

[TheMan]

I like a few of the ideas here..."drop" something in the wort prior to pitching and after it's cool, then fish it out without sanitizing your hand.

 

[Pick]

Guys, this is getting way over our heads. This is a definitely a job for MYTHBUSTERS!!!!!

 

[dantose]

I'm assuming the same is true for the others, but all I'm offering is some good natured ribbing. I'm sure the OP expected nothing less.

Of course!

Make sure it is outside and gets plenty of sunlight!

no good spot to brew outside, no good sunlight spot inside

Make sure every time you intentionally make a "mistake"
You actually drink a home brew.

Of course!

Can't wait to see how this turns out. A few more suggestions:
1) Start your siphon with your mouth
2) Use clear bottles
3) Stick your un-sanatized hands in the wort (post boil) a couple of times

I'll do number 1, but don't have clear bottles. I'll probably be using a glass carboy so I can watch the process.

Rent someone's two-year-old to "help you brew" because it'll be a good father-son bonding experience.

That ought to do it.

I've got a 7 and a 9 year old I can borrow from my brother.

Throw a boil over in there as well. That's always fun.

Can't boil over when you don't boil!

Don't forget a soggy Cheeto in Primary.

Sure!

 

[lowlife]

Dont forget to set the fermenter in the bathroom next to the toilet with no airlock.

 

[aluminumpark]

maybe boil all of your grains in the kettle for 60 minutes, then dump everything into buckets, and pitch yeast in that once it cools,

separate later

 

[Suthrncomfrt1884]

Dont forget to set the fermenter in the bathroom next to the toilet with no airlock.

I'm not sure I would even want to drink the beer after this...

As for my first post about not cooling your wort down before pitching... this has other effects other than killing yeast as you've implied.

Even if you're not pitching for a few days, the dangers of not cooling your wort can be pretty extreme. You get no cold break, so your proteins will still be in the wort when you rack. Also, the longer it takes to cool, the more chances bacteria has to fester and reproduce. They love temps around 80-120 from what I hear.

 

[ChshreCat]

You gotta get a rubber stopper a little too small for the fermenter and push it through into the wort.

 

[BadgerBrewer]

When you bottle don't worry about disolving any DME in water and adding to the bottling bucket. Just pour some household sugar in each bottle, cap, shake, and leave in a hot room to carbonate.

 

[ReverseApacheMaster]

When you bottle don't worry about disolving any DME in water and adding to the bottling bucket. Just pour some household sugar in each bottle, cap, shake, and leave in a hot room to carbonate.

LOL that one's pretty dangerous.

 

[l1ranger]

im no expert, but by not boiling the wort at all, Im thinking you're not even giving this a chance.

otherwise - hydrometers be damned. and make sure you take the top of your fermenter to look in and see whats going on. dump some starsan in your wort. add some oats to some bottles to see what happens with them .

 

[Jenks829]

Simulate a lost rubber grommet when the airlock is put in place; touch the bottom of the bucket with an unsanitized arm.


Also, allow fermentation temps to fluctuate 20 degrees Fahrenheit

 

[WildGingerBrewing]

dantose...did you do this? What's the status?

 

[MistyMountainHops]

Not to sound like a giant prick, but this seems like a pretty stupid idea. This sounds like a giant waste of time, energy, and money just to dump something down the drain, that is of course unless you plan on drinking this train wreck you're trying to create. There are cheaper ways to drink crappy beer - ie: BMC.

 

[dantose]

dantose...did you do this? What's the status?

Not yet, want to wait until the census operation I'm working in is done. I've been far to busy to put much time into brewing.

 

[shanecb]

Not to sound like a giant prick

Uh huh...


I don't see why it's such a bad idea. If it turns out relatively fine with so many crazy mistakes, then it just says that you can make a couple of mistakes while brewing and you don't have to beat yourself up over it. Everything could still turn out fine; no one is perfect in their technique to begin with. Besides, it's his time and his money, and he can do with it what he pleases.

 

[benko]

I think this is a really original and creative idea. I do have to agree with the poster that said you have to at least give this thing a chance. Do you want to make this a legit RDWHAHB experiment, where you're intentionally making some common beginner mistakes but still hoping to turn out a decent beer, or are you just trying to see how disgusting you can make a batch? I think the mistakes you need to incorporate are the ones that are commonly made, but unless things go horribly wrong, will usually still result in the beer being okay. Don't include some of the mistakes that have a 90% chance of completely destroying your beer, with a slight possibility that it might be okay.

For example, mash hot, but still at a temp you know will convert. Don't mash at a temp you know will kill all the enzymes. Don't sanitize your equipment, but don't use completely soiled, moldy stuff either. A beginner can forget to sanitize this or that, but even the complete noobs won't put their beer in a bucket with mud and hairballs in it.

 

[iluvmysh]

so... did this ever happen?

 

[hunter_le five]

so... did this ever happen?

It's been four years since the last update to this thread.

Either his little experiment killed him, or he wised up and realized it was a stupid idea.

 

[dantose]

More of moved, left all my all grain stuff behind, and never got around to it. Some day when I have time I might revisit it.

 

[hunter_le five]

so... did this ever happen?

It's been four years since the last update to this thread.

Either his little experiment killed him....

More of moved....

Whelp, so much for that theory. :cross:

 

[The_Glue]

Here are some bottling fails, i will update in a few weeks:

- bottling wand stuck due to dryhopping so i bottled directly from the tube with mad splashing and dirty fingertips
- i splashed some of the leftover wort directly into a bottle from the bucket
- i collected the fill overs and free flowing wort between two bottles in a big pot during bottling and then measured it's FG and then put it into a bottle

There is also mad sediment in those bottles, i syphoned the wort from the bottom of the bucket.

I expect oxidation and infection issues from those bottles, will update the thread.

 

[The_Glue]

Here are some bottling fails, i will update in a few weeks:

- bottling wand stuck due to dryhopping so i bottled directly from the tube with mad splashing and dirty fingertips
- i splashed some of the leftover wort directly into a bottle from the bucket
- i collected the fill overs and free flowing wort between two bottles in a big pot during bottling and then measured it's FG and then put it into a bottle

There is also mad sediment in those bottles, i syphoned the wort from the bottom of the bucket.

I expect oxidation and infection issues from those bottles, will update the thread.

I can see visible bubbles levitating upwards in the last two, most messed up bottles, i wonder if that means some bottle bombs will happen later.