This is how it all went down:
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the_bird said:What I'm not sure of is how much the current shortages is simply magnified by being essentially between seasons. Like, come a month's time, when all the '07 crop is for sale, will many of these varities be available again, albeit at a higher cost? I never paid enough attention last year to know whether there's a natural seasonal element at work, which may be magnifying the fundamental problems in the hop sector.
That would be the general thought. The only influence here in the US that could interfere may be ethanol... I know I know I'm beating up on farmers.. so what. If the amount of money they get per acre of corn is more than the price per acre of Hop (at the higher price) guess what they will be growing.mew said:So has this hop/grain shortage thing happened before or is this going to be a problem forever (like what happened to gas prices). It seems like the demand is there, so the market should stabilize itself in a couple growing seasons, right?
Seabee John said:That would be the general thought. The only influence here in the US that could interfere may be ethanol... I know I know I'm beating up on farmers.. so what. If the amount of money they get per acre of corn is more than the price per acre of Hop (at the higher price) guess what they will be growing.
Looks like I'll be planting hops in the spring in the back yard garden
the_bird said:As has been noted, though, corn and hops don't really compete; they're generally grown in entirely different climates. I would expect continued subsidizing of corn-based ethanol will have an impact on barley prices, however.
Corn competes with barley though, which is why you will see barley prices increase up to 50% over the next year....the_bird said:As has been noted, though, corn and hops don't really compete; they're generally grown in entirely different climates. I would expect continued subsidizing of corn-based ethanol will have an impact on barley prices, however.
the_bird said:As has been noted, though, corn and hops don't really compete; they're generally grown in entirely different climates. I would expect continued subsidizing of corn-based ethanol will have an impact on barley prices, however.
kenb said:Corn competes with barley though, which is why you will see barley prices increase up to 50% over the next year....
I don't believe the government pays for farmers to grow corn whether it succeeds or not. More farmers are growing corn because the increased demand for corn to make ethanol has caused prices for corn to increase to the point it is very profitable to grow corn. The government subsidies are used to make ethanol more affordable than gasoline which drives the demand for ethanol.Seabee John said:That is very true, but there has been a large amount of farmland (especially here in Minnesota) that has been converted to grow corn. It doesn't really matter if the corn survives or not because of the additional federal crop insurance for ethanol producing. These farmers are smart... they know it doesn't matter if they actually sell the corn, they get the money (at market price) regardless. This, in my humble and uneducated opinion will lead to more land devoted to corn no matter where it is.