SYRACUSE NY - ROUND 3 Group Grain Buy

[jhenderson27]

Haha mine waz high 40 to. Low 50 for my imperial. Speaking have you had that yet cidah

 

[TwoGunz]

Yup - St Bernardus 12 I believe it was interesting, but I gathered that it was a bit of an acquired taste. Dark fruity flavoring. I mean it isn't like most folks like scotch when they drink it the first time

I found myself appreciating the unique flavors, just not sure if they all belonged in the same mix.

If I don't acquire the taste for them after my 5 gallon share of westy 12, then I never will

Ha, true. Well if it's true to form, your westy clone will be similar to the St Bernardus. It was at one time the same recipe.

 

[CidahMastah]

Haha mine waz high 40 to. Low 50 for my imperial. Speaking have you had that yet cidah

I haven't yet (maybe tonight).

Rust - I did try Ed worts haus pale ale last night though. Positives where good carb, solid malt backbone and light and crisp - crystal clear. I have to say that this one wasn't for my palate. The crisp aspect almost had a green apple esque wine esque taste to it. So I guess I am saying, "a malty crisp brew with a vinous/appley sour taste to it that dominated on the front end, then was wrestled back with a malty aftertaste." I could see how others might like this, but holy am I surprised at how many pages are on this recipe thread praising it. This reminded me more of an amber ale than a pale ale, with respect to its flavor. My wife really liked it, and she loves ambers.

For me I am looking for a pale ale to have wicked hop aroma (big bark), but only a little hop bite (no bite). Basically an IPA without the extra bittering hops and lower ABV. But that is absolutely a taste preference thing. The brew itself was well done.

Possibly, if I were having successive pints of this, it would grow on me.

 

[rustbucket]

to be honest, the haus ale was much better almost "fresh" or young, i pulled it a week after i kegged it and it was so much better tasting that the later tastings. early on the hop aroma and flavor really "popped" as the weeks progressed it became more dull for me.

 

[rustbucket]

btw, next week, ill put 3 bottles away for you and jhenderson again, i have 3 new ones on tap... my pipeline is just rolling out.. lol every week i have a new one going into the keg.

right now, i have "squeeze my lemon(blond), sierra Nevada clone but less alc% (lighter version), yoopers house pale ale

in fermenters~ summer ale clone ( messed up alittle on this, forgetting one ingredent), dennys wry ipa, and BierMuncher Centennial Blonde

This upcoming weekend is going to be a black ipa.

 

[CidahMastah]

to be honest, the haus ale was much better almost "fresh" or young, i pulled it a week after i kegged it and it was so much better tasting that the later tastings. early on the hop aroma and flavor really "popped" as the weeks progressed it became more dull for me.

Well at least I know we are on the same page with this one

I checked out the recipe and it is VERY simply built. Not a bad thing, but it made me think of eds bavarian hefe (I know you brewed this one too).

I like the bavarian hefe but I don't love it (I would change it my next time around). It lacks something that for me would turn it into a really great hefe. Sure it is drinkable, but for me not particularly special. Rust - what were your thoughts on that hefe? Is it a rebrew as is for you?

That said, the 4-6 week old blood orange hefe was better in flavor and mouthfeel in my opinion. One slight, but key difference could have been the CM-PALE 2 row instead of regular 2Row. But I think it needs a little more help than that to be a winner for me.

At the 4-6 week mark I could drink the BO Hefe without any orange slice addition and enjoy it - the bavarian hefe is a bit too tart/acidic for me without the help of an orange slice addition (tried to have some of the hefe last night and this was still the case).

Curious on what you (Rust) thought about all that.

 

[CidahMastah]

Very cool line up.

I am thinking that I will pull aside for you gents the following:
1. Denny's Wry Smile
2. Eds Bavarian Hefe
3. BM's Blue moon Clone - plus my changes
4. Westy 12 clone
5. Beelzebub
6. TBD - Might toss you guys a skeeter pee to try

I think I want to do another Blood Orange Hefe in two weeks, but haven't picked another brew (I am hoping for a double brew day).

 

[CidahMastah]

I remember having Pyramid Hefeweizen in Seattle at their brew pub - it was really good. I might try to find a clone for that.

http://www.pyramidbrew.com/our-brews/hefeweizen

 

[rustbucket]

i like the hefe, it is maybe re-brew again... if i do prob not until next year. I wanted to try a Bavarian first, but i lean towards the American wheat beers for taste. I also really think the Bavarian was much better in the front gate than towards the end, it had much more flavor, and no so much the tartness. towards the end you can tell the taste profile mellowed. I never really got the whole tart/acidic taste for mine tho. it was really a clean palate for me

as compared to your BO it prob did some benefit to being a little longer aged. that could be on the pale 2, i have never used the pale 2 so i have no idea what it brings to the table.

 

[rustbucket]

that one looks good

looks easy to reproduce from the list they have there on the ingredients if you cant find a clone.

 

[CidahMastah]

that one looks good

looks easy to reproduce from the list they have there on the ingredients if you cant find a clone.

Yeah I have been working on a "clone".

I think I am going to use C40 for the caramel and I might mock the hop schedule for The BO recipe, just use nugget as bittering and liberty as aroma.

 

[rustbucket]

i as looking at that i was thinking c40 would work for that... as well

and using nugget for bittering and liberty as the aroma.. haha.. wow

great minds think alike.. haha

 

[CidahMastah]

i as looking at that i was thinking c40 would work for that... as well

and using nugget for bittering and liberty as the aroma.. haha.. wow

great minds think alike.. haha

Good stuff!!

Here is what I "think" I will go with:

SG 1.050

12.5lbs wheat
8lb 4oz 2row (thinking might up that to CM-PALE)
4 oz C40
15g Nugget (60)
28g Liberty (20)
28g Liberty (10)

1lb of rice hulls

Mash at 152F for 60

Seeing the SRM almost makes me think this might need a C60 or C80 to give it that dark color though.

 

[rustbucket]

what is the srm that you have right now?

the BW was 4.5 so if you go to 7 i think you would be good, i wouldnt go any darker than that tho

 

[CidahMastah]

what is the srm that you have right now?

the BW was 4.5 so if you go to 7 i think you would be good, i wouldnt go any darker than that tho

at 1% the C40 gives you 4.3 SRM. C80 = 4.9 SRM

However I don't think I would want to go darker than C40-C60 since you will potentially start getting into raisin like flavors. If I bump to CM-PALE instead of 2 row and stayed with C40 I would get 4.8 SRM

I think 7 could be close but it looks like without taking some creative approach... (like using a dark fleshed orange - ha) 7 would be tough to get to.

Tough part is that I had that beer like 6years ago... Can't recall the precise flavor

 

[rustbucket]

i think c40 or even c20 would be perfect for that style.. i think even 60 your starting to bring on other flavors that you would not want, caramel and what not into it.

when i think of hefe's i dont think of caramel or any of those, clean and crisp wheat taste.

 

[CidahMastah]

i think c40 or even c20 would be perfect for that style.. i think even 60 your starting to bring on other flavors that you would not want, caramel and what not into it.

when i think of hefe's i dont think of caramel or any of those, clean and crisp wheat taste.

agreed. The C60 doesn't get you that much darker in SRM either. My thought was C40 or less. I will have to try this one again before I brew it though. I have been reading that they might use a lager yeast for this hefe?!

 

[rustbucket]

that is odd for a hefe... i would think... ive never heard of that...

you could always do a 1gallon test batch?

 

[rustbucket]

i was thinking about doing widmers hefe, i really like theirs

 

[CidahMastah]

Either way I definitely would not use a lager yeast

Just had a "duh" thought though... i bet you they use a decoction for the hefe. That would be another way to get the color darker, regardless of the grains and it is also a traditional hefe method.

argh...

 

[CidahMastah]

jhenderson - had what I believe was your stout two nights ago - black cap dark brew. Man was that tasty. The stuff was almost thick with a touch of sweet and a great chocolatish taste to it. Nice head on it, good carb - I really enjoyed it. Not sure if this was the nibs one or the stout but it was a dark brew in the black cap. Would really like to look over that recipe if you don't mind.

I also tried your light beer (I think - the other lighter beer with black cap). This isn't what I typically go for but it had a good carb and a nice almost pilsnerish taste to it like a coors light would have. I was getting some raisiny/figgy aftertaste that clung, wasn't sure that I was a fan of that flavor but not a bad light beer. Funny too because I mocked out coors earlier, then last weekend it was blazing hot and I had one (ok more like nearly pounded one after mowing) - it wasn't bad at all. I guess I just have to be in the mood for it

I think that stout is my favorite brew of yours yet (neck and neck with the Torpedo)

 

[CidahMastah]

for sure but: http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hpho...0189670889681_738479680_6991603_7524340_n.jpg

simply fantastic on so many levels

 

[brehuh]

Bahahaha that article is great

 

[jhenderson27]

Cidah,

That. Black topped was my imperial vanilla choclate porter. It was 8.75% and id be happy to get the recipe to you. It is good, just a twinge of alcohol taste last time i tried it. I got some aging in a closet now. The light beer was a brewers best kit. Had to try it. Its ok, very similar tk a becks lite or heiniken light. My gf loves it as itz easy to drink, she is more happy with the red ale and stoked about bm blue moon clone. Thanks for the reviews!

 

[CidahMastah]

Cidah,

That. Black topped was my imperial vanilla choclate porter. It was 8.75% and id be happy to get the recipe to you. It is good, just a twinge of alcohol taste last time i tried it. I got some aging in a closet now. The light beer was a brewers best kit. Had to try it. Its ok, very similar tk a becks lite or heiniken light. My gf loves it as itz easy to drink, she is more happy with the red ale and stoked about bm blue moon clone. Thanks for the reviews!

I much rather prefer the red ale to the light brew. I would say of your brews that I have tried to date the light is the lowest ranking so far (for my palate). That vanilla chocolate porter is great though. Such a nice mouth feel to it. Funny, because even though I thought it was your stout, I said to my wife that it tasted more like a porter to me since it had the twinge of sweet.

 

[jhenderson27]

Serves the dumb sob rite.

 

[rustbucket]

i really am looking foward to that stout of yours jhenderson, as soon as i can get up to cidahs to grab it. have you tried my smoked rye ipa yet? i think its aging very nicely right now..

 

[jhenderson27]

No i havent. I saw you said let it age a bit so i figured since times on my side id giver a bit extra. If its ready in your opinion ill drink it.

 

[rustbucket]

i think its ready now. i really think right now it has a nice balance, and the smoke "now" is not over powering compared to a few weeks ago when i first tried the brew. (any notes on this of what you think or for a change are great, this is a first time brew for my own recipe)

 

[rustbucket]

cidah, just had the moose drool... wow this is different... (i like it) iv never had the original. its got just enough hops to it, while having a good solid body. the aroma is funky to me.. but that might just be me...

anywho, this one is pretty good.

i really should not be having beer right now.. haha while im trying to work on my paper... btw, i got home and also had that nugget nectar wow is that stuff good!