Summit hops only schedule

[castillo]

Can anyone suggest a hopping schedule using only Summit hops. I'm planning on brewing a partial mash IPA using:

3 lb. Maris otter
2.5 lb. Rye malt
1 lb. Crystal 40L
6.5 lb. Extra Pale LME

I have 6 oz. of Summit hops and plan to use 4 oz. during the boil and 2 oz. for dry hopping. Any suggestion are greatly appreciated.

 

[android]

how many IBU are you looking for? this could be a good opportunity to do a late hopped IPA (all 30 minute and less additions). i just did an IPA this way and REALLY liked how it turned out. and are these summit like 18.5% AA? the following would give you ~65 IBU (knock down the 30 and/or 20 minute additions to lessen the bittering charge). this assumes 18.5% AA for the summit.

0.5 oz @ 30 (21 IBU)
1.0 oz @ 20 (27.5 IBU)
1.0 oz @ 10 (16.5 IBU)
1.5 oz @ 0

2 oz for dry hop

 

[castillo]

yes, these summit hops are 18.2 AA. I was also thinking of using some for first wort hop addition. What do you think?

 

[Randar]

yes, these summit hops are 18.2 AA. I was also thinking of using some for first wort hop addition. What do you think?

I would not recommend doing FWH or early hop additions with Summit. It has been known to create "onion beer" when boiled in any significant quantity for the full boil time.

Late hopping is the way to go here because the AA% is so high you can still create a great hop flavor without destroying what makes Summit really great, which is the amazing citrus/grapefruit aroma.

If you are doing a 5 gal batch, I would consider adding hops no earlier than 30 min left in the boil. Maybe 1 oz at flame-out and 1 oz dry hop.

 

[castillo]

How much should I add at 30min?

 

[castillo]

I'll just follow Android's suggestion then. Thanks for your input.

 

[Hoppocrates]

Have you had the Gubna by Oskar Blues? It is an all summit DIPA. I recently tried it while on a business trip to the west coast and thought it was absolutely terrible. Total bummer given how much I love their other brews... So I would agree with the other poster and only use it for late hops and dry hops. Maybe try a hopburst with 1 oz at 20 mins, 1 oz at 10 mins, 1 oz at 5 mins, and 1 oz at knockout... Best of luck! Let us know how it turns out...

 

[castillo]

yeah, I've tried the Gubna and I didn't think it was that bad but now that I think of it I can see what everyone is saying about using summit hops early in the boil. Gubna did have those qualities and I had a bit of a hard time drinking them. Thanks again and I'll be sure to let you guys know how it turns out.

 

[android]

rethought this and here's what i would do: 1 oz each at 20, 10, 5, and 0 minutes (like hoppocrates mentioned). This should get you right around 57 IBU, which would not be too bitter (about the midpoint for American IPA guidelines), unless you like really bitter beers, you could stick with the previous schedule (30, 20, 10, 0). And then dose it with the 2oz for dry hops. That should yield a pretty tasty brew.

 

[castillo]

Okay, sounds good. I will give that a try. I do like bitter beers though.

 

[permo]

yes, these summit hops are 18.2 AA. I was also thinking of using some for first wort hop addition. What do you think?

NO FWH, as said earlier, you will get some onion from it. Also I would advise against any addition, outside of a 60-75-90 minute bittering addition, before the 15 minute mark. I have brewed some serious onion beer, thinking I was going to make an awesome citrus hop bomb!

It works good for bittering, and for late arroma additions. Not good for flavoring additions in the FWH, or 20-40 minute range. Awesome for dry hops too though. So if you want, make a big ol hopburst, throw the hops in at 15 minutes or less........trust me.

Man, if you use FWH hops summit and add too much rye, it will taste like a patty melt

 

[Randar]

I have used at 30 minutes on multiple brews and never had onion character, but can't speak to anything but what I've read concerning the onion flavor in longer bittering additions.

To the OP, just stagger the additions from 20 or 30 min on in to reach your target IBU's. What is your target OG and IBU for this brew? Looks like a pretty hefty OG, but what's your target?

 

[castillo]

I think I want a target OG of about 1.073 and about 60 IBU's.

 

[castillo]

so I came really close to my target O.G. with a reading of 1.072. I decided last minute on my hop schedule and used 3 oz. of summit hops in the last 20 min. and 1 oz. in the last 10 min. and 2 oz. for dry-hopping when I racked to secondary. The gravity reading at this point was 1.016. I brewed this beer on 9/6/10, had it in primary for 14 days before I racked to secondary.