Summit Hops - Anyone tried them?

[Piratwolf]

From interviews with hop farmers, I have heard that the onion/garlic issue comes from picking the hop cones as little as a day or two after peak.

 

[TimmyR]

Good to know. If I could figure out how to get the recipe out of BeerSmith in HTML, I'd post what I have so far. I used 1 oz Summit in FWH, 1 oz Magnum at 60 min; 1 oz Columbus, 1 oz NB just after flame-out and start of hot whirlpool; 1 oz Centennial & Summit at 15 min into whirlpool (just before I stop the recirc). About 12 gallons final volume at 1.064 OG and ~71 IBU (Rager). The ferments are split between WLP001 and WLP090 and I will dry-hop each w/~1 oz Columbus, 0.5 oz Centennial, 0.5 oz Summit.

I'll post what I find. So far I like the IPA. Hopefully it doesn't go down the oniony path.

 

[Piratwolf]

Hopefully it doesn't go down the oniony path.

again from interviews (not personal experience), it seems that many times you can smell the onion/garlic on Summit in the bag. If it smells good and tastes good in the the fermenter, and if your DH comes from the same bag, then I think you should be in the clear.

 

[jonmohno]

One or my first Ipa ever was all summit,it was a very good ipa.I just wish i had dryhopped and used more.They were organic Summit hops,no onion.Not all hops are equal when it comes to being the same kind.You have differnt growing locations and maybe unfortunatly some people get some stored poorly.I just know it is a hop i would use again.I think different years of the same hop are not the same either,and they seem to vary year to year often.
Summit definatly made a good single hop ipa,i would like to use them in Yoopers haus pale ale recipe someday.

Im not shure if the same people that say garlic/onion are offensive ? I think onion/garlic is a pungent sweet peppery spice maybe similar to a hop character or maybe just missassociated? I never got that with mine but i wonder if those people who find it offensive if they like the cat-piss or "dirt" hops.Its an association description that maybe should be renamed,maybe a techinical name for cat-piss would sound more appealing-haha.

 

[TimmyR]

again from interviews (not personal experience), it seems that many times you can smell the onion/garlic on Summit in the bag. If it smells good and tastes good in the the fermenter, and if your DH comes from the same bag, then I think you should be in the clear.

Makes sense. Just like some Simcoe and Citra can be catty. These smell great and are well packaged.

Thanks!

 

[Obliviousbrew]

I've made a hop burst pale ale all summit and it was great no onion or garlic but a very up front tangerine marmelade aroma I only have two bottles left... that I'm about to drink

 

[TimmyR]

I've made a hop burst pale ale all summit and it was great no onion or garlic but a very up front tangerine marmelade aroma I only have two bottles left... that I'm about to drink

Out of curiosity, what were your hop additions? When & how much?

 

[Obliviousbrew]

I am away from my computer now but if I remember correctly I used around 200 grams of hops (about 7 ounces and a half) from 10 minutes to dry hop) 25 grams @ 10
40 g @ 5
50 @ flameout
And dry hop:
7 days 25
5 days 40 grams

 

[TimmyR]

I am away from my computer now but if I remember correctly I used around 200 grams of hops (about 7 ounces and a half) from 10 minutes to dry hop) 25 grams @ 10
40 g @ 5
50 @ flameout
And dry hop:
7 days 25
5 days 40 grams

Cool...close enough. I am thinking next APA to only FWH and Whirlpool...

 

[Obliviousbrew]

It was 40 IBUs if a remember correctly and great I don't know why I always see the onion/garlic comment Different crops maybe?

 

[TimmyR]

Summit, CTZ and Centennial in the dry-hop...Summit all the way through. Nice, dank aroma and flavor with just a little citrus. I do not get much tangerine or orange, but the CTZ could be dominating the finish. Planning to use a bunch of Summit and Citra at the end of a American Farmouse/Saison this week.

 

[sonex]

just like another poster mentioned my experience with summit is to use it early to avoid the onion. I have used it in combination with simcoe, amarrillo, and chinook and it seems to play very nice with these hops.

 

[TimmyR]

just like another poster mentioned my experience with summit is to use it early to avoid the onion. I have used it in combination with simcoe, amarrillo, and chinook and it seems to play very nice with these hops.

Use early in boil or use fresh Summit?

 

[sonex]

Use early in boil or use fresh Summit?

early in the boil.

 

[TimmyR]

early in the boil.

Interesting...I'd have thought late in the boil would lend itself better to the fruit flavors/aromatics like Citra. My experience with Citra has been I like it in the dry-hop but was not crazy about the Pale Ale I did with it throughout the boil. It seemed to get a little catty on me.

Thanks.

 

[sonex]

I like summit as a bittering hop and use amarillo and simcoe in the later additions with just a small amount of chinook to add a little bite.

 

[gcdowd]

Update, I finally brewed the summit IPA. Here were my additions

1 oz @ 20 min
1oz @ 10 min
1 oz @ 5 min
1 oz @ flameout

I plan on dry hopping with another ounce. Believe it or not, Beersmith calculated 77 IBUs. I'll let you all know how it turns out when it's ready.

 

[mewithstewpid]

I'm intrigued yet scared about summits after reading about them.

Where do you guys get the organic hops?

 

[TimmyR]

So far my 70 IBU (Rager, BeerSmith), brewed with mostly Maris Otter is really balanced and drinkable. It would not raise an eyebrow as an IPA west of Missouri.

In this case I did use Summit 28g FWH, 28g 1 min, 28g Dry-hop

 

[gcdowd]

Took the first gravity reading and took a taste. I gotta say I like the summit hops so far. Time will tell but as of now it has a nice fruity tangerine taste up front with just a bit of bitter onion in the back. Not overly oniony and not unpleasant. In fact, I kinda like it.

 

[Calichusetts]

I got an onion/garlic hint at bottling but I cracked the first beer this week and it was easily one of my top 3 brews. Simply fantastic. tangerine flavor was upfront and pleasing. Though I did also add tangerine zest. Might even replace my citra IPA was was going to brew tomorrow with another batch and I've only had one!

Now officially in love with summit. Going to combine it with some centennial down the road.

 

[Spicemon1972]

I just brewed an IPA with Summit as my 60min bittering hop - its currently in primary and chugging away - I will let you know in 6-8 weeks.

Update - my IPA using Summit as the 60min addition turned out excellent. Real smooth bitterness with no discernible onion flavor. Easily my best brew yet - I will definitely be experimenting more with Summit in the near future.

 

[gcdowd]

Kegged the IPA on Sunday and it's carbing up. Took a small pull off it today and I gotta say it tastes promising!

 

[TimmyR]

So far my 70 IBU (Rager, BeerSmith), brewed with mostly Maris Otter is really balanced and drinkable. It would not raise an eyebrow as an IPA west of Missouri.

In this case I did use Summit 28g FWH, 28g 1 min, 28g Dry-hop

IPA is a hit with friends and family (shock). I like it, but think I'll use a lighter hand w/summit in the future. I like it but get more spicy/onion than fruit. It seemed to do well in a small dose in my recent Saison and I think it'll play well with CTZ in future IPAs and APAs (and American-hopped Belgians).

 

[bnilguy]

I did a All Summit IPA. Definitely got the onion/garlic, but it has faded after a few months. It's definitely an interesting hop..I would probably use it early in the future and as a combo with other hops.

 

[BuckettOfBeer]

I got an onion/garlic hint at bottling but I cracked the first beer this week and it was easily one of my top 3 brews. Simply fantastic. tangerine flavor was upfront and pleasing. Though I did also add tangerine zest. Might even replace my citra IPA was was going to brew tomorrow with another batch and I've only had one!

Now officially in love with summit. Going to combine it with some centennial down the road.

I dry hopped with centennial and summit in an IPA brewed last spring. Very nice.