Stop calling it Lambic!

[argyle]

Stop calling it Lambic!

Dude! How did you know that I call it Lambic?

I thought the only two people who knew that was my wife and me!

By the way, I can name it what I want to, it is mine after all.

 

[Qhrumphf]

Just about every style of home brew does not meet a certain geographic criteria. Berliner Weisse not in Berlin well I guess it's not a Berliner Weisse then. West Coast style IPA brewed on the East coast, you're out. Flanders Red/Brown, Saisons, lambic, blond, Belgian anything really, we'll that's out of the question. English ales, the list goes on. But I personally would rather call it a lambic than a pLambic any damn day of the week. It's time to get off the high horse.

But not every style has a "Protected Designation of Origin" or similar designation. Kolsch does. As does Lambic, Gueuze, and all the associated beers. I believe Berliner Weisse is on the list, but I'm not positive.

 

[pabloj13]

But not every style has a "Protected Designation of Origin" or similar designation. Kolsch does. As does Lambic, Gueuze, and all the associated beers. I believe Berliner Weisse is on the list, but I'm not positive.

But most of those designations only apply in the host country. It doesn't apply to us. USA USA USA!

 

[Qhrumphf]

But most of those designations only apply in the host country. It doesn't apply to us. USA USA USA!

I believe they apply across the entire EU. But yeah, I don't think they're enforceable in the US, and definitely not abided by by all brewers.

As far as commercial beer, I think it's a nod of respect to the origin and tradition of the style to respect those designations regardless of whether or not it's legally required, but only in the context of sale and marketing so a purchasing customer isn't misled about the rich history of the style they're drinking.

Again, as far as homebrew, usually the homebrewer has at least a clue what they're brewing and where it comes from, and they aren't selling it, so I don't give two halves of a sh!t what they call it. I have no problem referring to my Kolsch as Kolsch, not Kolsch-styled. Or my Lambic as Lambic, instead of pLambic.

 

[bottlebomber]

Dude! How did you know that I call it Lambic?

I thought the only two people who knew that was my wife and me!

By the way, I can name it what I want to, it is mine after all.

Do you carry it around in a lambic basket?

 

[argyle]

Do you carry it around in a lambic basket?

Hey! That would be swell accoutrement. Definitely will have to look into one of those.

 

[bottlebomber]

Hey! That would be swell accoutrement. Definitely will have to look into one of those.

Just a fancy way of letting the wife know it's going to be a "special night"

 

[smokinghole]

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:1997:021:0013:0014:EN:PDF

http://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/qua...b24mY3t9dJQPflg3xbL2YphGT4k6zdWn34!-370879141

Lambic is just a legal definition. Just like bourbon and other things. We're not commercial entities selling the beer that would violate a law so who gives a dammn what we call the beer. So even if an American brewery like ooh Allagash made a spontaneously fermented beer using a coolship technically its still not a lambic because it's not from the legally defined region. Of course Allagash doesn't call its beer a lambic just out of respect for the legal definition in the EU I would assume. For all intent and purpose the coolship series is a lambic brewed in Maine. The flavor has a ways to go but they're pretty good. Eitherway if spontaneously fermenting a beer or using yeast/bacteria that you obtain from a bottle of lambic I'll call it a lambic unless I'm selling the beer.

 

[argyle]

Just a fancy way of letting the wife know it's going to be a "special night"

NO DOUBT!

BTW - I bet your coolship is not as cool as my cool ship.

 

[bottlebomber]

NO DOUBT!

BTW - I bet your coolship is not as cool as my cool ship.

!!

 

[midfielder5]

Just a troll, is this thread sez Yoda

 

[Rob_B]

But not every style has a "Protected Designation of Origin" or similar designation. Kolsch does. As does Lambic, Gueuze, and all the associated beers. I believe Berliner Weisse is on the list, but I'm not positive.

True enough, but should I just get around the loop hole and call it Lambic "style", in the tradition of lambic, etc.? We're not commercial brewers so who really gives a damn!?! If you're not marketing it as something it's not then it doesn't matter. Personally as a brewer I name most of my beers by the style, some with tweaks based on special ingredients. The point being I'm sure the OP has brewed and named something based on a geographic style wrongly like the rest of us.

But to touch on the subject of BJCP, how else are we to get ours beers evaluated based on the already set criteria? If I called every beer I brewed that was sour or had Brett in it an American wild with no other descriptors then it would be hard to say what you were about to drink.

This is just a BS argument all around. You could spin it several ways on either side of the argument.

 

[rexbanner]

They play Boys of Summer on the radio during the summer. Then they play it during the winter to be ironic/remind people of summer. When isn't it a good time to play it?

Did the Red Baron like pizza? I kinda hope so, what with the entire brand and all.

If one of the major selling points for a pet was "it will take a **** inside your house" would you buy it? Then why do so many people own cats?

What is the meaning of life?

These are the questions that keep me up at night.

 

[TNGabe]

Well, we need to get rid of the entire "Kolsch" designation too, while we're at it. Even if it's slow cooled in a coolship, spontaneously fermented, 30% unmalted wheat, turbid mashed, aged hops, and barrel aged, if it's not from the right part of Belgium it's still not a Lambic.

In commercial terms, I agree with you entirely. The same way I don't think commercial brewers outside of Cologne should be able to market their beer as Kolsch. I don't know if I've seen an American "Lambic" but I know I've seen plenty of American "Kolsch" brews.

But as far as homebrew, that's the beer I'm going for, and that's what I'll call it.

Not according to Jean Van Roy - he doesn't consider it geographically limited, but rather a matter of process. Which was my original point, albeit poorly stated. A beer that doesn't follow the process isn't lambic anymore than a cream ale is a pilsner. Similar? Sure. Same? Absolutley not.

And don't get me started on Kolsch!

 

[Darwin18]

Tell me, do you consider the use of Munich malt to be cheating?

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/whats-up-all-recipes-munich-malt-365450/

 

[Qhrumphf]

True enough, but should I just get around the loop hole and call it Lambic "style", in the tradition of lambic, etc.? We're not commercial brewers so who really gives a damn!?! If you're not marketing it as something it's not then it doesn't matter. Personally as a brewer I name most of my beers by the style, some with tweaks based on special ingredients. The point being I'm sure the OP has brewed and named something based on a geographic style wrongly like the rest of us.

But to touch on the subject of BJCP, how else are we to get ours beers evaluated based on the already set criteria? If I called every beer I brewed that was sour or had Brett in it an American wild with no other descriptors then it would be hard to say what you were about to drink.

This is just a BS argument all around. You could spin it several ways on either side of the argument.

I've said the exact same thing already. I don't care what homebrewers do or don't all what they brew. Someone can call their RIS a German Pils for all I care. As long as it's not being sold as such.

Not according to Jean Van Roy - he doesn't consider it geographically limited, but rather a matter of process. Which was my original point, albeit poorly stated. A beer that doesn't follow the process isn't lambic anymore than a cream ale is a pilsner. Similar? Sure. Same? Absolutley not.

And don't get me started on Kolsch!

And apparently he's right. Lambic has a TSG designation, not a PDO designation. I had always understood that the geographical limitation was in there, but apparently I was incorrect. It's all process and the resulting character. Looks like the geographical limitation is more tradition than actual law. Similar to having specific requirements for the "Trappist" designation that do not include geography.

However the actual applied and approved application for the status (posted by smokinghole here https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f127/stop-calling-lambic-399891/index4.html#post5037979, 4 registered applications for separate terms are available if you search for them) does not mention requiring a coolship. Just spontaneous fermentation from the air during cooling. Nor does it mention requiring wheat or aged hops (which I know Van Roy is adamant on, hence why he will not refer to Iris as a Lambic, despite it being classified as one everywhere I've seen it).

So at the end of the day, there's still room for interpretation there. As I've said a number of times now, I care about it only when it comes to a potentially uneducated consumer buying something that has been labeled and marketed as "Lambic" (or Gueuze, or Kolsch, or Trappist, or anything else applicable) when in reality it is not, even if that labeling is still legal. I don't care how homebrewers refer to their beer.

 

[bottlebomber]

Tell me, do you consider the use of Munich malt to be cheating?

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/whats-up-all-recipes-munich-malt-365450/

Ha! I forgot about that thread

 

[beaksnbeer]

Oh no I made a stout but the water profile is not true to style so what can I call it? How many of us can say that all the beer we make actually meets every specific to be true to style.

"A rose by any name shall smell as sweet" I need a beer.

 

[argyle]

You call it Lambic. I call it Lame-bic. Let's call the whole thing off.

 

[TNGabe]

You call it Lambic. I call it Lame-bic. Let's call the whole thing off.

You sir, are a genius. Lame-bic is my new favorite word.

 

[TNGabe]

You sir, are a genius. Lame-bic is my new favorite word.

Although now I'm wondering if a hyphenated word is one word or two.

 

[argyle]

Although now I'm wondering if a hyphenated word is one word or two.

So, shall there be a debate on linguistics? What experts shall we drag into this and quote to prove correct classification?

 

[MalFet]

So, shall there be a debate on linguistics? What experts shall we drag into this and quote to prove correct classification?

As a linguist, I want nothing to do with such pedantics!

 

[bonnybunch]

As a linguist, I want nothing to do with such pedantics!

I'll bite... surely that should be 'pedantry' or 'pedants'

 

[argyle]

I'll bite... surely that should be 'pedantry' or 'pedants'

Wait! Let us all ask Jean Van Roy!

 

[MalFet]

I'll bite... surely that should be 'pedantry' or 'pedants'

I love it!

...but you're wrong. The OED backs me up on pedantic as a noun!

 

[bonnybunch]

I love it!

...but you're wrong. The OED backs me up on pedantic as a noun!

Curses! Hoisted on my own petard!

I notice the phonemes under your name, whenever I have to deal with the International Phonetic Alphabet at work I always find myself getting really thirsty... just me?

 

[MalFet]

I notice the phonemes under your name, whenever I have to deal with the International Phonetic Alphabet at work I always find myself getting really thirsty... just me?

At least once a week I'll be googling something IPA(phonetic) related and end up spending an hour reading about IPA(beer). This coincidence cuts my productivity more than I'd care to admit.

 

[ChugachBrewing]

Who is John Galt?



P.S. I do have a coolship.

 

[TyTanium]

I made a lamb stew once. Can I call that lamb-ic?