American IPA Stone Ruination Clone

[RichBenn]

So since I'm now going to have a higher alcohol content than I should, should I now dry hop with more hops? Will that extra alcohol diminish my hop flavor? I have time to get more hops if needed. Its only been in the fermenter since Sunday morning. All I have to dry hop with right now is the 2oz of Centennials that the recipe called for.

The dry hops will not balance the alcohol; you need bitterness(boil hops) for that. There is this "hop bittering extract" liquid that can add bitterness post fermentation, I think, but I've no direct experience. That said, 100+ IBU should be enough for almost anything. Just make certain your carbonation is right, and the bitterness will come out on the tongue like it should.

 

[BrewBrain]

The dry hops will not balance the alcohol; you need bitterness(boil hops) for that. There is this "hop bittering extract" liquid that can add bitterness post fermentation, I think, but I've no direct experience. That said, 100+ IBU should be enough for almost anything. Just make certain your carbonation is right, and the bitterness will come out on the tongue like it should.

I agree - I have 8%+ and just under 100IBUs in my beer. I'm expecting it to be nice and tasty. Until my taste buds check out anyway I got no alcohol flavor in my pre-dry hop sample.

 

[bkov]

has anyone brewed this recipe and the one Stone published in byo? this one seems more accurate but than again, the one in BYO uses a lot less hops, so i rather go with whats more close

EDIT: i guess there is isnt actually a big difference between the amount of hops in the recipes, but has anyone brewed both?

 

[Grasslands]

has anyone brewed this recipe and the one Stone published in byo? this one seems more accurate but than again, the one in BYO uses a lot less hops, so i rather go with whats more close

EDIT: i guess there is isnt actually a big difference between the amount of hops in the recipes, but has anyone brewed both?

I haven't brewed both, just the extract recipe in BYO...which was spot-on. I was gonna give this one a shot too in the future.

 

[CaliBrewin]

does anyone have a picture of their finished product? would love to see what this looks like in a glass.

 

[RichBenn]

I've been drinking this for several weeks now. Mine used mostly Pale Ale malt instead of regular 2-row. I now think that is a mistake for this brew. While still good, the slightly maltier profile of the Pale Ale malt keeps it from being exactly like Ruination. And like I surmised, it goes down way too easy for an 8% brew.

I mention this in case someone is thinking about going down this path.

So next time it will be Yooper's recipe exactly, with the possible substitution of Columbus for bittering. Or maybe it's time to try one of her other great recipe contributions....

Rich

 

[Dave258]

Just placed an order with Brewmaster's Warehouse to brew this up next week. I can taste it already!
I think I may go downstairs and get some centennials to chew on to calm me down!
Thanks for the recipe!

 

[BrewBrain]

OK, I tapped mine last weekend and had a few people over to give it a taste test. Mine isn't this exact recipe, but close. All I can say is:rockin:!!

At just over 8%, this is unbelievably easy to drink

 

[nootay]

i started this on monday. my mind wasnt quite working right. first, i forgot to make a starter. heck i started mashing and realized the smack pack (pacman) was still in the fridge. so i pulled it out and got it going. when i pitched the yeast, it had been out of the fridge for about 8 hours. not near as long as i wanted but it will do. second, i ended up getting better efficiency and had an OG of 1.080. little high, especially for no starter, but we'll see. third, fermentation took about 36 hours. this is only my second brew with the smack pack yeast, and both have taken about 36 hours to start.

anyways, looking forward to this one and thanks for the recipe!

 

[Dave258]

Just had my first (and second) pints of this last night after a LONG drive back from North Carolina, this recipe is great! I love it!
Only thing I was surprised about was it was not that clear. Been sitting in the kegerator for about three weeks. Nice and cold and carbed perfect. Still some hop junk floating.
I don't care though!

 

[nootay]

mine has been in primary for 2 weeks. Will be moving to secondary/dry hopping today!

 

[Jeebas]

Just had my first (and second) pints of this last night after a LONG drive back from North Carolina, this recipe is great! I love it!
Only thing I was surprised about was it was not that clear. Been sitting in the kegerator for about three weeks. Nice and cold and carbed perfect. Still some hop junk floating.
I don't care though!

I brewed the extract version of this about 3 months ago with the following replacements - 20L Crystal with 60L Crystal, Dry hop with 2 oz Columbus (instead of Centennial), subbed Warrior for Magnum. I used whole leaf hops (in a grain bag) to dry hop, and I think the combination of that and leaving the trub from the boil in the primary (instead of keeping it out when I transferred from the brewpot to the primary) left me with only 43 bottles from a 5 gallon batch.

I tried the first one 3 weeks after bottling and it was OK. The taste improved drastically after sitting for a week or two (I haven't been going through this batch all that quickly - due to the 8.7 ABV :cross: ). I definitely have gunk floating around in the glass after a pour - it settles somewhat after a minute or two. But overall an awesome recipe - which I will definitely try again! One or two of these ends my night (fairly quickly) with a smile on my face!

 

[Hoppy_Dude]

I brewed this with only slight variations to Yoopers Recipe,

15lbs Pale
.5 lbs Crystal 10L
.5 lbs Crystal 20L

Hops per recipe
Mashed @ 149
WLP 001

Hydro sample after 10 days of Primary went from 1.071 to 1.013. The sample tasted fantastic, hop bitterness and flavor were great for a warm flat beer. I added 1 ounce of centennial dry hops today and plan on adding another ounce in about a week, Cold crashing and bottling.

I want to thank Yooper for posting a recipe that looks like it should turn out great.

 

[Hoppy_Dude]

double post

 

[CaliBrewin]

def going to brew this soon.

anyone have pictures of this beaut' ?

 

[stinkiestbink]

how long do i mash it for? single infusion? sorry, i am a noob at all grain. this will be my second one.

 

[Dave258]

I do single infusion at 150-152 for 60 min. Double batch sparge.
My second batch of this has been carbing for 10 days now. I will sample it on Saturday. Can't wait.

 

[stinkiestbink]

Double batch sparge?

 

[Dave258]

Double batch sparge?

Calculate how much water you need to sparge with after your mash. Split it in 2 equal sparges to get better efficiency.

 

[tallybrewer]

I made this Ruination Clone about 7 weeks ago & brought it to our brewer's guild meeting last night. It was pretty popular!

Love the way it turned out. Used LME vs. DME (saved me about $15). So thanks for posting this recipe.

On another note I tried a mead & boche last night for the first time. Think I'll start with your JOAM recipe next!

 

[jim_reaper1066]

Wow, I kegged this today after 13 days dry hopping and what a beer! I was scared it might be too grassy from sitting on the hops for that length of time but man was it ever good! Even the warm, un-carbonated sample I tried was hands down the best beer I have made to date. Aside from the extended dry hopping (a fortunate accident), the only change I made was to substitute the Magnum with Galena, since that was the only bittering hop I had. This will definitely become a standard brew for my keezer.

 

[Brewfat]

Made this and was a little low on OG. It is excessively bitter. Is there a good way to sweeten it? Will time mellow the bitterness?

 

[Yooper]

Made this and was a little low on OG. It is excessively bitter. Is there a good way to sweeten it? Will time mellow the bitterness?

The hoppiness will fade, but not the bitterness. It will mellow a little bit, though. How low was the OG?

 

[Brewfat]

1.064. I should have compensated but i miscalculated and didnt think id be that far off. Its really just the finishing bitterness, if that makes sense.

 

[Yooper]

1.064. I should have compensated but i miscalculated and didnt think id be that far off. Its really just the finishing bitterness, if that makes sense.

Not really.

It may mellow a bit. Another thought is that more dryhopping will help. I know it sounds crazy that answer might be "more hops!" but the hoppy aroma and flavor may help to hide the excessive bitterness. If it's already bottled, then I don't have any suggestions except to see if it improves with some time.

 

[Brewfat]

I have it kegged so i can throw some hops at it. I have some centennial laying around.

Thanks

 

[rustym]

To anyone who brewed the extract recipe in BYO, did you actually use the Brewers 2-row, which is a mashing grain, or did you substitute something else. Yoopers recipe calls for 1lb only of crystal 20 for steeping.

What worked for you guys? I'm wanting to go and buy the ingredients and get this puppy rolling!

 

[TheSeether]

I'm having trouble getting Beersmith to agree on the IBU when creating the extract version of the recipe. I am setting batch volume to 5gal and boil volume to 2.5gal and getting just under 50 IBU. If I change the boil volume to 5gal (keeping the 5gal batch volume) I get a more appropriate IBU slightly exceeding 110 IBU. All other ingredient factors primarily remain the same as Yooper's recipe (using 9lbs DME instead of 8lbs to nail the OG and using WLP007 as recommended for my temp ranges).

As an experiment I tried inputting Yooper's AG recipe into Beersmith and converted it to extract 5gal/2.5gal and the corrected hop volumes were as follows:

4.17oz Magnum - 60min
2.38oz Centennial - 30min
2.38oz Centennial - 10min
2.38oz Centennial - 1min
2.00oz Centennial - Dry Hop (should be unchanged)

Would I be correct to increase the hops for the extract version to achieve the target 103 IBU?

 

[Yooper]

I'm having trouble getting Beersmith to agree on the IBU when creating the extract version of the recipe. I am setting batch volume to 5gal and boil volume to 2.5gal and getting just under 50 IBU. If I change the boil volume to 5gal (keeping the 5gal batch volume) I get a more appropriate IBU slightly exceeding 110 IBU. All other ingredient factors primarily remain the same as Yooper's recipe (using 9lbs DME instead of 8lbs to nail the OG and using WLP007 as recommended for my temp ranges).

As an experiment I tried inputting Yooper's AG recipe into Beersmith and converted it to extract 5gal/2.5gal and the corrected hop volumes were as follows:

4.17oz Magnum - 60min
2.38oz Centennial - 30min
2.38oz Centennial - 10min
2.38oz Centennial - 1min
2.00oz Centennial - Dry Hop (should be unchanged)

Would I be correct to increase the hops for the extract version to achieve the target 103 IBU?

Anything over about 90 IBUs isn't going to be detectable anyway! You can only get so many IBUs with a partial boil (since you're adding 50% water at the end, you'll dilute the IBUs 50%). The software tries to account for it, but it's not a very good estimate really.

Four ounces of magnum is ridiculous, though. I'd increase it maybe 20% if you wanted to. The later hops shouldn't be increased- those are flavor/aroma hops and shouldn't be increased for IBUs. Keep those the same.

 

[TheSeether]

Well, I just parsed what the term "full boil" means.
Everything works out much more sane when calculated in that way.

Thanks for the help and the recipe!