Stealing brewery glassware

[FoudreGuy]

Not lately, but way back at Jester King, dudes would sit at the outside picnic tables with bottles arranged in front of them looking to trade for the latest bottles....

... one of the reasons they banned outside alcohol on their property some years back, I'm sure.

I've seen behavior like this at Fremont and Holy Mountain recently. I just don't understand.

 

[Stubs]

Os is the real criminal here for using ellipsis nstead of periods all the time...

 

[reverseapachemaster1]

and I particularly like the idea of holding an open tab/card/ID until the glass is returned, but it may not be feasible for some logistic reason...

"1 in 10 people here are stealing things off the bar so I need to put your credit card in a box on the bar."

Don't think so.

 

[BuckTuckian]

I am the LORD thy God!

1. No other gods before me
2. No graven images or likenesses
3. Not take the LORD's name in vain
4. Remember the sabbath day
5. Honour thy father and thy mother
6. Thou shalt not kill
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery
8. Thou shalt not steal Willi Becher pints glasses
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness
10. Thou shalt not covet

In our father, TalkBeerJesus name. Amen.

 

[quirkzoo1]

I stole a Gordon Biersch branded Weizen glass in 2004. I lost it during a move. I admit I am part of the problem.

 

[JulianB1]

I'd be interested to hear how a similar idea is working out for Narrow Gauge in St. Louis. They also use branded in-house glassware and don't sell it, but they do sell (or at least have sold) the same glassware but with different color print. I believe the on-premise glasses have white lettering, while the ones sold to go have included light blue and potentially some other colors. When I was there the bartender informed me that the idea was to call out/shame anyone caught using the in-house glasses on Instagram, Untappd, etc.

 

[FTowne1]

When I was there the bartender informed me that the idea was to call out/shame anyone caught using the in-house glasses on Instagram, Untappd, etc.

That’s sounds like a perfectly good use of their time.

 

[JulianB1]

That’s sounds like a perfectly good use of their time.

It seemed like a strange approach to me too, unless I really am dead-wrong that most customers who lift glassware would pay for it were the option available.

This isn't even totally a craft beer/secondary market/shitlord problem either (although in the case of Tree House that's probably the main driving factor). At the popular local bar in town I'll usually set up shop outside on the deck, and I see frat boy types walking off with Bud Light pint glasses all the time. The parking lot is the smoking area so there's always tons of people milling about (and no security unless a fight starts or whatever) so just walking to a car or out of the lot with a glass in hand is easy.

 

[tosh1]

"1 in 10 people here are stealing things off the bar so I need to put your credit card in a box on the bar."

Don't think so.

I do not believe I have ever handed over my card to be stuck in a box at a bar anytime in my life.

Cash only at bars, well cash only pretty much everywhere to be honest.



I used to own a number of fancy German glasses from a trip to Germany many years ago. They kicked us out of the bar each night and I usually had 2 beers left. What you going to do?
25 years later I still only own one of them.

 

[Marc2]

totally a shitlord problem at the popular local bar frat boy types walking off with Bud Light pint glasses smoking there's always tons of people and no security unless a fight starts or whatever so just walking to a car or out of the lot with a glass in hand is easy.

Sounds lovely

 

[rrryanc]

Os is the real criminal here for using ellipsis nstead of periods all the time...

I was catching up over the last 4 pages thinking the same thing. Talk about wrong.

seriously... at the end of it all... a business wants to find out who is stealing from them... that's it. Doesn't seem unreasonable.

and I get the natural reaction of thinking of avoiding the issue... and I particularly like the idea of holding an open tab/card/ID until the glass is returned, but it may not be feasible for some logistic reason...

but it's their business and they wanted to do it a certain way... ethos and aesthetics... ambiance and experience... sure, you may say it makes no difference to you but some people appreciate it....

how the main issue is being overlooked is funny to me... stealing is wrong... it's a bad trend and it's not excusable... if you want to blame prices, then should you be buying beer that you feel is overpriced?

again, they knew... and they still want to try and make it work by eliminating the culprits... I don't see what's so wrong about that

as I said, some of the suggestions are good... but to point the finger and act like they are wrong (which many in here are doing) for asking on social media that anyone be reported for theft is the odd turn this took... it's their business and they are trying to run it in a particular way... they are asking their "loyal customers" to report theft. How Treehouse became the issue here is crazy to me...

great, if you are looking at it as just a industry-wide issue and have opinions and suggestions on how to avoid things, great... but at the end of the day, Treehouse is a small business that has made an effort to run things a certain way, and they are not full on blaming all their customers as some have made it seem... they are just asking for help in identifying people who stole from them

Now this seems contradictory... but even that aside... you are either giving them too much credit that they don't know they are doing anything wrong... or not enough credit that they are smart enough to know what they are doing is wrong...

And for all the criticism some are giving Nate for posting this on social media, it would seem like a good thing to call out the issue if people do indeed think it's acceptable, No?

We talk about this industry and how important it is to educate the consumer... seems like "stealing is bad" would be some necessary education under this premise

as much as I love Treehouse, the brewery, beer, and the staff... I'm not surprised by this... every time I've been there it's like a flea market of trades... I don't mean the pre-arranged "I'll meet you and we'll trade" things... but people literally with the trunk popped and a line up of what they have to offer... they have the most bizarre regulars, and some of them really lessen the experience for me...

I can't wait until it's all just beer and I can go and have a pint and grab a few 6ers and chill... seems like it's starting to go in that direction

I really have never seen anything quite like it... saw something similar happening in Trillium in Canton but I was only there once and didn't stick around very long...

 

[Os]

You all suck... that is all...

I know... bad habit...

 

[WhalezB4Rarez]

Mid-00's - Gypsy Brewer

Late-10's - Straight up Gypsies in the parking lot

 

[ASUBeer]

The fact that this thread is 5 pages long (and growing) just proves how awful the beer "hobby" is in general. Do you think in some alternate universe some restaurant owner made a Facebook post about people stealing his monogrammed silver wear? Highly unlikely.

Not to mention this is the same hobby where one of the biggest complaints are grown men cutting in line.

 

[jivex5k1]

That’s sounds like a perfectly good use of their time.

Worked for Wakefield.

 

[furley]

Any time I'm feeling bad about my life I'll at least be able to say "hey, I've never stolen glasses from a brewery's taproom and then flipped them from a trunk in the same brewery's parking lot like bootleg rap tapes, so I've got that going for me."

ISO: bootleg rap tapes

 

[beerandraiderfan]

Upon further thought and discussion, here's what it comes down to for me: If you observe an undesirable result repeated over and over again by the humans participating in any given process, you don't blame the humans - you blame the process.

Hyperbole alert:

Look man, this whole civilization and society thing governed by laws isn't working. We've outlawed murder and rape for sometime now, and we keep getting these undesireable results repeated over and over again by the humans participating in civilization.

Its not that the people with free will are doing wrong, its that the process has failed them.

That would be like blaming you for not having better word filter "homie" workarounds that led to evilc getting banned, when you knew that humans use language some find offensive (hornydevil/beereeear etc. . ).

I do not believe I have ever handed over my card to be stuck in a box

Same here, never seen a prostitute take a credit card unless in a brothel (legal).

 

[Steve2]

Hyperbole alert:

Look man, this whole civilization and society thing governed by laws isn't working. We've outlawed murder and rape for sometime now, and we keep getting these undesireable results repeated over and over again by the humans participating in civilization.

Its not that the people with free will are doing wrong, its that the process has failed them.

That would be like blaming you for not having better word filter "homie" workarounds that led to evilc getting banned, when you knew that humans use language some find offensive (hornydevil/beereeear etc. . ).



Same here, never seen a prostitute take a credit card unless in a brothel (legal).

When one in ten people are committing murder I’ll agree with you that society as a system is broken.

 

[beerandraiderfan]

When one in ten people are committing murder I’ll agree with you that society as a system is broken.

How is one in six people being sexually abused working out for you?

 

[Steve2]

I regret responding already. Let’s avoid another toxic topic tag.

 

[beerandraiderfan]

I'm just glad I was able to show that whether one blames the victim or society is a selective thing related to personal bias and hypocrisy. Quite often, the rationales behind the differences are shown to be flimsy.

Victim A: I don't identify as much with that victim. That victim should have acted different.

Same person, believes in the victim/cause moreso.

Victim B: Victim blaming/shaming is ____ -ist. You are further victimizing the victim!

 

[Gene1]

I'm just glad I was able to show that whether one blames the victim or society is a selective thing related to personal bias and hypocrisy. Quite often, the rationales behind the differences are shown to be flimsy.

Victim A: I don't identify as much with that victim. That victim should have acted different.

Same person, believes in the victim/cause moreso.

Victim B: Victim blaming/shaming is ____ -ist. You are further victimizing the victim!

In all cases where a problem is so pervasive, you can (at least partially) blame the systems surrounding both the victim and the perpetrator.

Hyperbole alert:

Look man, this whole civilization and society thing governed by laws isn't working. We've outlawed murder and rape for sometime now, and we keep getting these undesireable results repeated over and over again by the humans participating in civilization.

Its not that the people with free will are doing wrong, its that the process has failed them.

That would be like blaming you for not having better word filter "homie" workarounds that led to evilc getting banned, when you knew that humans use language some find offensive (hornydevil/beereeear etc. . ).



Same here, never seen a prostitute take a credit card unless in a brothel (legal).

And, yes, that is hyperbole: We’d see an awful lot more crime if there were no system in place to mitigate it. A perfect system (crime is detected with 100% accuracy, and the perpetrator is automatically and instantly punished) would be closer to 100% effective at preventing crime, but we don’t have that capability for a number of reasons, so our imperfect system has imperfect results. It’s all relative. But you already knew that.

 

[litheum94]

I regret responding already. Let’s avoid another toxic topic tag.

How is anyone on this site still engaging with Barf? He has no interest in an actual dialogue. Seriously, everyone just stop

 

[RedCoffee]

How is anyone on this site still engaging with Barf? He has no interest in an actual dialogue. Seriously, everyone just stop

 

[regularjohn]

How is anyone on this site still engaging with Barf? He has no interest in an actual dialogue. Seriously, everyone just stop

 

[litheum94]

 

[libbey]

Wow

 

[Beer4B]

In all cases where a problem is so pervasive, you can (at least partially) blame the systems surrounding both the victim and the perpetrator.

I think the problem with this is that you are suggesting "blame" on the system, which is incorrect. A thief is entirely responsible for the blame of their actions. Regardless of whether it was easy (pack of gum at the grocery store or a bank heist) they are to blame.

I can certainly agree that the system could be better prepared or created to remove or weaken the temptation as a result of thieves, but not blame.

 

[Thevicster]

In all cases where a problem is so pervasive, you can (at least partially) blame the systems surrounding both the victim and the perpetrator.


And, yes, that is hyperbole: We’d see an awful lot more crime if there were no system in place to mitigate it. A perfect system (crime is detected with 100% accuracy, and the perpetrator is automatically and instantly punished) would be closer to 100% effective at preventing crime, but we don’t have that capability for a number of reasons, so our imperfect system has imperfect results. It’s all relative. But you already knew that.

Didn't you just essentially describe this:


https://www.google.com/search?q=tom...ndroid-att-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

 

[lb304854]

If I like a glass, I ask the bartender if I can buy it. If you're not a dick, the bartender will usually tell you to take the ******* thing. Tip them an extra $5 and call it square.

This obviously doesn't apply to Treehouse's situation which is a consequence of the glass-bro times we live in.