[SPOILERS] Star Wars - The Force Awakens / Rogue One

[Ridire]

By the way, I hate you guys. I've always been a pretty big Star Wars fan, but I've never fallen into complete nerd mode. But now reading all this nonsense, I am finding myself looking at books on Amazon like this:

 

[olotti]

By the way, I hate you guys. I've always been a pretty big Star Wars fan, but I've never fallen into complete nerd mode. But now reading all this nonsense, I am finding myself looking at books on Amazon like this:

See I told ha he's Snoke. Lol.

 

[Ridire]

See I told ha he's Snoke. Lol.

I have read so many theories since watching the movie last night that my head is spinning.

I have read that Plagueis tricked Sidius into killing him because he has the ability to transfer his consciousness to a new "host" but the host must be the one who kills him. Sidius then plans to do the same with Anikan, until the incident on Mustafar, he decided that he would go after his son instead. The theory then goes that Sidius/Plagueis entered Darth Vader upon the Emperor's death, and then tricked Luke into taking off his helmet, thereby causing Vader's death and allowing Plagueis to enter Luke's body...and Luke is now Snoke. How's that for a frigging stretch?

 

[olotti]

I have read so many theories since watching the movie last night that my head is spinning.

I have read that Plagueis tricked Sidius into killing him because he has the ability to transfer his consciousness to a new "host" but the host must be the one who kills him. Sidius then plans to do the same with Anikan, until the incident on Mustafar, he decided that he would go after his son instead. The theory then goes that Sidius/Plagueis entered Darth Vader upon the Emperor's death, and then tricked Luke into taking off his helmet, thereby causing Vader's death and allowing Plagueis to enter Luke's body...and Luke is now Snoke. How's that for a frigging stretch?

WOW. Mind. Blown.

 

[Homercidal]

I have read so many theories since watching the movie last night that my head is spinning.

I have read that Plagueis tricked Sidius into killing him because he has the ability to transfer his consciousness to a new "host" but the host must be the one who kills him. Sidius then plans to do the same with Anikan, until the incident on Mustafar, he decided that he would go after his son instead. The theory then goes that Sidius/Plagueis entered Darth Vader upon the Emperor's death, and then tricked Luke into taking off his helmet, thereby causing Vader's death and allowing Plagueis to enter Luke's body...and Luke is now Snoke. How's that for a frigging stretch?

Curious. Because Palpatine wanted Luke to strike him down soooo badly and Luke refused.

I *was* going to call BS on this, but after a moment of thinking I'm not sure it doesn't at least make some sense.

 

[2bluewagons]

When the "starkiller" fired at a bunch of planets at once and everyone was watching.... I was just sitting there thinking That's not how light works. Then when they attack the base, and make a huge effort to HL past the shields then pull up fast... I'm thinking why didn't they just kamikaze some fighters into the target? Also why is the "resistance" apparently less armed than the old "rebellion"? Most importantly where was Darth Jar Jar?!?

Agree with all of these except Jar Jar, let him rest in peace.

Although I enjoyed the movie, there are so many things that bother me about it. First is this "resistance." Why is a "resistance" necessary when there has been a New Republic established (for like 30 years?) that is naturally tasked to dealing with the remnants of the Empire? Since we saw Ackbar in TFA (wasn't he killed in the books along with his planet being destroyed?), obviously the Mon Calamari are still involved and presumably making Cruisers (big ships from Jedi), so why are we back to a handful of x-wings and a few scrappy freighters again? Oh maybe because the New Republic can be wiped out in just a few minutes so that the plot of the next movies can revert to the "frontier" aspect that some people think was one of the qualities that made the first trilogy better. If the Rebel Alliance can learn of the secret development of the second death star, why can't the New Republic learn of the construction of a friggin 'euge planet killer before it wipes them out? Really poor on the realistic scale here.

The empire apparently also needed a new name in the form of the New Order, no real point to that either.

Definitely would have like to see more development of the jedi academy Luke had started, including its downfall due to Jacen, I mean Kylo Ren. All we got was a holovid similar to that seen in Ep. III when Anakin took out the younglings. Hopefully we'll see some flashbacks when Luke has more of a role in the next two movies. Agree that he has a killer agent (2 personal assistants noted in credits for a non-speaking role), and stylist also. He looked like he could have been a Game of Thrones character!

Probably the worst thing about the plot for me is that WE HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE ALREADY. Lose a droid on a desert planet, where it is found by a Jedi candidate, who gets involved in an adventure that ends in a visit to the Jungle-world base for the rebelstance and the destruction of a huge planet-killing weapon, and then go ahead and wrap in the beginning of Ep. 5 to send that candidate to a remote planet to seek training from a legendary Jedi Master. Couldn't they have found a way to capture a new generation audience while at the same time giving us older folks something new? During the finale saber battle, I was really hoping for Luke to come swooping in to rescue Rey and deal with Ren in some fashion.

Looking forward to what they do next. Good starting point, but I hope for more originality in the future.

 

[Pkrd]

A+
Will watch again. And again. And again.

 

[jddevinn]

Agree with all of these except Jar Jar, let him rest in peace.

https://www.reddit.com/comments/3qvj6w

 

[Homercidal]

Not the Empire. There is no real (official) government or overreaching military control. The First Order is more or less a military coup. I think it's large enough to almost be official, but according to the movie the new weapon was going to be used to get rid of the official government and make way to militarily take over rule.

 

[Ridire]

How about this theory?

Man, I need the year to end so I can get back to doing more work.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesth...k-this-if-you-havent-seen-tfa-yet#.okvLKq1z3O

 

[Maylar]

Welp... I guess I'm the only one who thinks the movie stinks. I hated it. It's just not up to Lucas' standards. It seemed to me to be a poor remake of the first Star Wars, including yet another Death Star. Yawn. No character development, no real plot, nothing new.

Leia didn't even cry when Solo died. Really? Weren't they married?

 

[hunter_le five]

Welp... I guess I'm the only one who thinks the movie stinks. I hated it. It's just not up to Lucas' standards. It seemed to me to be a poor remake of the first Star Wars, including yet another Death Star. Yawn. No character development, no real plot, nothing new.

Leia didn't even cry when Solo died. Really? Weren't they married?

"not up to Lucas' standards."

Have you even SEEN Episodes I - III?

Part of the reason people love Episode V so much is BECAUSE Lucas didn't direct it.

 

[Ridire]

Welp... I guess I'm the only one who thinks the movie stinks. I hated it. It's just not up to Lucas' standards. It seemed to me to be a poor remake of the first Star Wars, including yet another Death Star. Yawn. No character development, no real plot, nothing new.

Leia didn't even cry when Solo died. Really? Weren't they married?

As I said earlier, I didn't think it was all that good, either. But I am optimistic that is the beginning of something very good.

As for Lucas standards...are you serious? Dude made one good movie and then his ideas spawned some others to make good movies...and him to make some stinkers.

 

[Homercidal]

As I said earlier, I didn't think it was all that good, either. But I am optimistic that is the beginning of something very good.

As for Lucas standards...are you serious? Dude made one good movie and then his ideas spawned some others to make good movies...and him to make some stinkers.

He actually made a few good movies, but only 2 (maybe 3 if you discount the Ewoks) decent Star Wars movies. (IMO)

Have you seen THX1138? Very interesting independent film, IMO. American Graffiti was also pretty decent. He also had a hand in a small film called Indiana Jones. Several of those were pretty good as well, from what I hear.

I don't think a few of the SW movies were "awesome", but I don't discredit his ability to make good movies, just think he hasn't hit the bullseye every time. And from what I've read, his heart wasn't really into the later SW movies, being pressured to sell billions of toys to kids, while he would rather have moved on to some artistic films.

 

[Ridire]

He actually made a few good movies, but only 2 (maybe 3 if you discount the Ewoks) decent Star Wars movies. (IMO)

Have you seen THX1138? Very interesting independent film, IMO. American Graffiti was also pretty decent. He also had a hand in a small film called Indiana Jones. Several of those were pretty good as well, from what I hear.

I don't think a few of the SW movies were "awesome", but I don't discredit his ability to make good movies, just think he hasn't hit the bullseye every time. And from what I've read, his heart wasn't really into the later SW movies, being pressured to sell billions of toys to kids, while he would rather have moved on to some artistic films.

Sorry, I meant my comments to be applied only to things Star Wars. American Graffiti is a GREAT movie.

 

[hunter_le five]

He actually made a few good movies, but only 2 (maybe 3 if you discount the Ewoks) decent Star Wars movies. (IMO)

Have you seen THX1138? Very interesting independent film, IMO. American Graffiti was also pretty decent. He also had a hand in a small film called Indiana Jones. Several of those were pretty good as well, from what I hear.

I don't think a few of the SW movies were "awesome", but I don't discredit his ability to make good movies, just think he hasn't hit the bullseye every time. And from what I've read, his heart wasn't really into the later SW movies, being pressured to sell billions of toys to kids, while he would rather have moved on to some artistic films.

He made ONE good Star Wars movie, and that was arguably because he didn't have complete control over the film. He had other producers and crew there to shoot down some of his stupider ideas. A lot of the more iconic ideas in that film actually came from members of the crew. For V & VI, he didn't even direct the films. He was too busy working on merchandising to be bothered.

Episodes I-III were garbage, and Lucas was given free reign to do whatever he wanted with those. Coincidence? I think not.

He had a hand making Indiana Jones 1-3, but some jerk by the name of "Speilberg" was there to make all the final decisions as director and reign Lucas in.

Then came the garbage heap that was #4, and so many of the stupider ideas in that film can be attributed directly to Lucas (if you watch the behind the scenes interviews, he smugly takes credit for a LOT of what people hated about that movie). Speilberg pretty much said he didn't even want to make the movie, and let Lucas have a lot more input over the production.

THX1138 was a good movie. But I wonder if like episode IV, he had someone there to bounce ideas off of and cull some of his weaker ideas.

 

[drainbamage]

THX1138 was a good movie. But I wonder if like episode IV, he had someone there to bounce ideas off of and cull some of his weaker ideas.

Wasn't the story with Ep. IV that Lucas's wife was the "moderating influence", so to speak?

 

[Punity]

Lucas standards haha

 

[Ridire]

I forgot the best part of this movie (for me). My 7 year old daughter did not want to go see it and claims that she does not like Star Wars and claims she has never paid attention to any of the movies when they have been playing in the house. We made her go so that the whole family could go.

When they were on the Starkiller Base, and it was snowing, she leaned over to me and said, in her tiny little voice, "are they on Hoth?"

I about lost it.

 

[Maylar]

As I said earlier, I didn't think it was all that good, either. But I am optimistic that is the beginning of something very good.

As for Lucas standards...are you serious? Dude made one good movie and then his ideas spawned some others to make good movies...and him to make some stinkers.

After reading through this thread, I have to admit that I'm nowhere near well versed in who directed what or what the influences were for the different episodes. I will modify my statement to, "it wasn't up to my expectations".

I went to the theater with my brother and his GF and both of them fell asleep during the movie. It was stupid and boring in my opinion. But it seems that I'm in a minority with that.

 

[Punity]

Stupid and boring might be the furthest thing I'd ever consider as adjectives for this movie.

 

[bbohanon]

Got to take the kids and see it tonight..was a fun movie to watch, but felt very much like a repeat of the original with new and old faces.
Looking forward to seeing how the next one will shape up but if Rey starts to carry Luke on her back running up and down those stairs to train as a Jedi, I am out.
Some of my own observations:
- Kylo ren has had training as a Jedi and Rey has not held a lightsaber until 2 mins before fighting ren, but manages to easily kick his ass and mind control troopers even though it took Luke almost 2 full movies to be able to even use the force in any meaningful way at all..
- Another Death Star? Cmon man..
- Leia sounds like she has been smoking a carton of cigs a day since RotJ in the movie..
- Ren needs to be evil in a cool way like Vader..you never saw Vader throw a tantrum like Ren did..he just choked ******* out with the force. It's what made him cool.
- Finn is a interesting character..want to see more of his backstory
- The main evil guy snoke looks like Voldemort..
- I swear I thought at first the rebellion pilot leader was Bucky from Captain America..
- Han Solo is still cool..even as a old man. Chewy as well.

All in all, a fun ride, but a lot of the same from the original.

 

[geoffey]

Saw it for the third time today. I went into it convinced Rey is not Luke's daughter. Came out almost convinced she is. She was certainly, in my mind, a Jedi youngling before Luke disappeared. When she faces off with Ren it's not the first time she's held a light saber. My theory would be that she was separated from her family purposely by Luke in order to protect her. Probably only Leah knows who she really is. I think in episode 8 we will see the discussion Rey had with Leah before she takes off in the Falcon. Really, why else would Leah NOT be the one that goes to find Luke? She believes Luke will respond to his daughter more positively than anyone else.
Other thoughts: "the supreme ruler", or whatever he's called is one of the least inventive titles in this whole series. So stupid.
The whole first order is just not done well. The references to the third reich are so unimpressive. It spoils any chance I have of taking them seriously. One of the biggest flaws of this movie.

 

[sudbuddy]

Saw it on Christmas Eve, it was freakin awesome. I agree that Rey is probably Luke's daughter, but who could the mother be? Looked like that last scene was shot in Western Ireland and the scenery was beautiful. I think the Force is definitely strong in Finn. Overall, I thought the bad guys in this one were not nearly as sinister as Vader or the Emperor and were really kind of weak sauce. I get that Kylo Ren needed to figure out that he was truly evil, and the ginger dude is a total fascist, but the 30 ft. giant seemed kind of lame. I hope he turns out to be a midget when we see him in real life, not just a hologram.

 

[sudbuddy]

g
- ren needs to be evil in a cool way like vader..you never saw vader throw a tantrum like ren did..he just choked ******* out with the force. It's what made him cool.

bingo!

 

[Pkrd]

- Ren needs to be evil in a cool way like Vader..you never saw Vader throw a tantrum like Ren did..

Anakin did.

 

[MaddBaggins]

Saw it today. That sure was a moment between Leia and Rey even though they hadn't met. I'm betting Rey is a Skywalker.
Good movie but like was stated here, a total rehash of IV. Desert planet, droid has the plans, save the girl, destroy the Death Star.
3rd time is not the charm for the Death Star, give it up guys.
I read a nerd piece about Ren and his saber. Every Jedi constructs their own saber. Every other Jedi/Sith had a smooth, stable looking saber. Rens is very fuzzy and unstable looking. Much like his personality. He has even less control than Anakin did.

 

[bob1852]

Agree with all of these except Jar Jar, let him rest in peace.

Although I enjoyed the movie, there are so many things that bother me about it. First is this "resistance." Why is a "resistance" necessary when there has been a New Republic established (for like 30 years?) that is naturally tasked to dealing with the remnants of the Empire? Since we saw Ackbar in TFA (wasn't he killed in the books along with his planet being destroyed?), obviously the Mon Calamari are still involved and presumably making Cruisers (big ships from Jedi), so why are we back to a handful of x-wings and a few scrappy freighters again? Oh maybe because the New Republic can be wiped out in just a few minutes so that the plot of the next movies can revert to the "frontier" aspect that some people think was one of the qualities that made the first trilogy better. If the Rebel Alliance can learn of the secret development of the second death star, why can't the New Republic learn of the construction of a friggin 'euge planet killer before it wipes them out? Really poor on the realistic scale here.

The empire apparently also needed a new name in the form of the New Order, no real point to that either.

Definitely would have like to see more development of the jedi academy Luke had started, including its downfall due to Jacen, I mean Kylo Ren. All we got was a holovid similar to that seen in Ep. III when Anakin took out the younglings. Hopefully we'll see some flashbacks when Luke has more of a role in the next two movies. Agree that he has a killer agent (2 personal assistants noted in credits for a non-speaking role), and stylist also. He looked like he could have been a Game of Thrones character!

Probably the worst thing about the plot for me is that WE HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE ALREADY. Lose a droid on a desert planet, where it is found by a Jedi candidate, who gets involved in an adventure that ends in a visit to the Jungle-world base for the rebelstance and the destruction of a huge planet-killing weapon, and then go ahead and wrap in the beginning of Ep. 5 to send that candidate to a remote planet to seek training from a legendary Jedi Master. Couldn't they have found a way to capture a new generation audience while at the same time giving us older folks something new? During the finale saber battle, I was really hoping for Luke to come swooping in to rescue Rey and deal with Ren in some fashion.

Looking forward to what they do next. Good starting point, but I hope for more originality in the future.

Nostalgia for us original fans, and dejavu for the new ones...

Besides, all sci-fi geeks like to have things rehashed over and over and over - just slightly differently.....see Batman series, Superman, Predator, Star Trek, etc...


Finally saw it tonight and loved it. But then again, I also liked I-III.

 

[JoeSpartaNJ]

Saw it yesterday with my wife, we both loved it. A couple observations and theories:

1. I thought Han Solo's death was very anticlimactic. My wife cried like a baby afterwards. Harrison Ford is signed on for at least episode 8. I'm thinking a lot of backstory will be told, so they still need Han Solo to do it.

2. Since there was a lot of reused ideas from the first trilogy, is it possible Rey is the daughter of Han Solo and Leia? They separated them at Rey and Kilo at birth? They only thing that doesn't make sense is why they would only keep one child, unless Rey was taken or kidnapped at a young age.

3. Chewie seemed more "human"

4. What? No Lando?

5. They need to film episodes 8 and 9 at the same time.

I think that's all for now.

 

[hezagenius]

...2. Since there was a lot of reused ideas from the first trilogy, is it possible Rey is the daughter of Han Solo and Leia? They separated them at Rey and Kilo at birth? They only thing that doesn't make sense is why they would only keep one child, unless Rey was taken or kidnapped at a young age.

I thought it was fairly obvious that Rey is the daughter of Han and Leia and twin sister of Ben/Kylo. You and I could be wrong, but man it seemed like they were really telegraphing that in the movie. All the facial gestures when Rey was around them.