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Are there any problems with CO2 pressure buildup in the chamber coming from the airlock, or are you opening it up to refresh the ice often enough to keep the pressure down?
 
Ok, I know I am reviving this old thread, but I have a suggestions.

I am building this currently and I am going to put the two holes vertical instead of side by side on the top. I figure that since hot air rises and cool air falls, I can get the air flow with cool out towards beer, warmer in towards ice bottles. I'll let you all know how it works.
 
Just do not put it TOO low or the cold air around the ice jugs will fill both chambers.

Edit: I just noticed he is offline. I hope he reads this before he does any cutting.
 
Just do not put it TOO low or the cold air around the ice jugs will fill both chambers.

Edit: I just noticed he is offline. I hope he reads this before he does any cutting.

I agree with Beer_Guy. Having the hole in the bottom may spill the cold air into both chambers. IMHO, that will make the temperature controlling difficult since you will not have a good way to contain the colder air from flowing in to the main chamber. Having the holes on the top keep the colder air separate from the main chamber. It acts like a weir.

You are right about the hot air rising and cold air sinking. That's what creates the thermal current and air movement in a "natural convection system". In this case you have a fan (you are installing a fan right?). That makes this a forced convection system. Once the fan starts pulling the hot air from the top, cold air will start replacing that air. Since the returning air is colder that the surroundings it will tend to sink.

Yet again, I may be full of "malarkey"...

Good Luck and I hope this helps.

Cheers!:tank:
 
I thought I'd add my thoughts to this updated thread, after just building one of these from Ken Schwartz' plans.

I should first state that I'm a PhD engineer, so I like to mess with things - usually with disastrous, but informative, results. Secondly, I've only been homebrewing for a little over a year, so I'm still learning stuff all the time - but I tend to research things to death before I jump in.

I also thought about rearranging the cooler chamber and baffle geometry a bit. But the more I looked at the problem, the more (grudgingly) I came back to the original plan as being optimum. The cooling chambers hold on to their cold air when the fan is not running, so when it kicks in, there's a nice reservoir of cool air ready to go. As others have mentioned, hot air will naturally accumulate towards the top of the cooler.

I was going to change the dimensions a bit to make the overall size smaller, but I'm glad I didn't. Mostly out of laziness, I used Ken's cut lines (which don't account for material loss from the cutting if you use a thick blade device instead of a thin utility knife). There is just enough room for the fermenter with a nice air space around it, and perhaps a small blow-off container of some sort in the corner. The 7-in cooling chambers make a nice, tight fit for the gallon jugs - and a tight fit makes for more efficient cooling.

I also thought about a 'fresh air intake' design instead of a closed recirculating system. This would avoid having to cool down warm air from the fermenter. But this only makes sense if the ambient air is cooler than the warmest temperature generated around the fermenter - a situation which obviously shouldn't occur if the cooler is insulated properly.

Ken Schwartz made some comments about the directionality of the fan - blowing vs. sucking. I am certain that the fan should blow from the cooling chambers into the fermenter chamber, since the more turbulent downstream flow is going to help convection around the fermenter. The tortuosity of the cooling chambers and baffle ensure good convection on the cold side, regardless of fan orientation.

I do, though, think my fan velocity is too high. When it kicks on, the temperature drops incredibly fast, so I think a slower speed would make for more gentle cooling, longer ice life and even longer cycles. So I think I'll look into installing a resistor.

Thermostat placement is something not many people have talked about, but which I think is critical. I'm surprised to see several pics where people placed the thermostat on the same side of the chamber as the fan. Clearly this is not a good idea, since the system will be over-cycling as cold air hits the thermostat and turns it off prematurely. Likewise, vertical placement is important due to the natural convective gradient that will form once the fan is turned off - cooler towards the bottom, warmer towards the top. So my thermostat is placed in the opposite corner from the fan, half-way up the height of the fermenter chamber. I haven't seen any short-cycling yet.

Gallon milk jug breakage seems to be a problem with several folks. I found one guy using 1 gallon apple juice containers that were made from a much sturdier plastic and also had a nice handle on the top. But I've also been using a collection of those reusable cold packs that have been collecting in our freezer, and they seem to work just OK - they melt much faster that the larger frozen milk jugs. So I'm reserving them for emergency/backup use only. But I found some large, rectangular cooler packs (Blue Ice) at Target that work very well, and can be stacked in various configurations. They are 7 inches on their long side, so they fit perfectly.

Concerning the optional LED indicator light, Radio Shack sells an "LED Assembly" that has a resistor (850 mOhm, I think) built-in so it is ready to use with 12V, and it's only a couple dollars. If your LED is on dimly all the time, then brighter when the fan turns on, then you need to reverse the poles.

I also tried several cutting methods for the foam and was surprised that making a ~3/4-in cut with a utility knife along a straight edge, then just snapping/breaking the rest of the way through, worked best. The table saw was just OK - the foam tends to float around a lot, and my table and fence are not big enough to make 29 in wide cuts.

Finally, I found the final project cost to be quite a bit higher than the ~$70 estimates. I couldn't find any of these $10-$15 fans, thermostats, power supplies at Radio Shack, Lowe's or Home Depot. Here, some advanced planning and searching would probably have worked, but I just bought what they had available which was more in the range of $18-$20 for each component plus $25 for the foam. I went through 3 tubes of Liquid Nails, and every inch of an 8 ft length of weatherstripping! So, in the end, I was closer to $90-$100, which takes some of the fun out of it and makes other options more viable.

That being said, I had a blast making mine and it works like a charm. It's 76F in my basement right now, and I can control at 60F or 65F in the chamber no problem. i went through a full load of ice during the first night, but I think that was just the first-time start-up and warm fermenter loading. The ice jugs are lasting 1-2 days now.

I can brew in the summer now! Maple Brown Ale in the cooler now and a Black IPA coming next!
:mug:

Cheers,

Dave
 
what is the consensus when it comes to lagering in colder climates (i.e. Maine) during the winter? Do you just us a chiller and keep it indoors, or are their other options? Thanks.

Dan
 
I don't think you could maintain lagering temps indoors with one of these types of chillers, because the cooling source (ice @ 32F) are too close to your target lagering temps.

The consensus seems to be an old refrigerator with an external power control to regulator the temperature (such as the Johnson Controls Penn unit).

Or a wine refrigerator if cost is not a main concern:

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f11/lagering-refrigerator-1987/
 
I'm going to build one of these into a closet or pantry. I don't have nearby outlets so I think I'm going to make it completely wireless - using a battery powered thermostat as mentioned in the OP, and wiring the 12V fan to a 9V battery. If it drains the battery too fast I might switch to a stack of AAA rechargables.
 
I just made one of these and it is working great. I used
a Honeywell RTH111 Thermo from Home Depot and
from Radio Shack an Enercell AC to DC power adapter
273-357 and a Ernercell Adaptaplug tinned lead
adapter 273-349. Used terminals G and RC on the
thermostat and removed the factory jumper from
R to RC.
 
It looks like a chiller is the way forward for me. Has anyone got a "idiots guide" parts list? I can work out the foamboard/wood but I want to be able go into radio shack and say i need........
 
I just made one of these and it is working great. I used
a Honeywell RTH111 Thermo from Home Depot and
from Radio Shack an Enercell AC to DC power adapter
273-357 and a Ernercell Adaptaplug tinned lead
adapter 273-349. Used terminals G and RC on the
thermostat and removed the factory jumper from
R to RC.

Did you extend the thermistor? I bought this thermostat today to use and I'm having trouble figuring out were the thermistor is.
 
I just made one of these and it is working great. I used
a Honeywell RTH111 Thermo from Home Depot and
from Radio Shack an Enercell AC to DC power adapter
273-357 and a Ernercell Adaptaplug tinned lead
adapter 273-349. Used terminals G and RC on the
thermostat and removed the factory jumper from
R to RC.

Did you extend the thermistor? I bought this thermostat today to use and I'm having trouble figuring out were the thermistor is.

Did you ever figure this out? Did you find the thermistor? I am looking this right now.
 
instead of using ice i wonder how a peltier and a radiator set up would work basicly would turn it into a real fridge you could use the 2nd ice chamber as a heat pump chamber and Vent it with room air. im still waiting on my frist equipment to arrive so im gonna wait a little bit to build one of these but hay the idea is out there ^^
 
zheol said:
instead of using ice i wonder how a peltier and a radiator set up would work basicly would turn it into a real fridge you could use the 2nd ice chamber as a heat pump chamber and Vent it with room air. im still waiting on my frist equipment to arrive so im gonna wait a little bit to build one of these but hay the idea is out there ^^

Hi there. A friend and I have been working with peltiers for a couple of years now. From what we have found so far, peltiers will not get a chamber down to freezing temps. Whilst the peltier can and will freeze over, translating this to a chamber is a much different story. Our original target was to get to 12 degrees c so we can brew lagers with specialist yeast but the ambient temp of the room plays a big part in this.

If you manage to freeze a volume of water into ice we would really like to hear about it.

The cold side usually ends up about 15 degrees from the hot side (once you connect heat sinks to them) so to freeze water it would need to be running the hot side at 10 degrees c. That in itself would require some sort of refridgerated assistance in the hot side if the ambient temp of the room was greater than 10 degrees c. We have used radiators and coolant in some of our tests so far but cannot get anything close to producing ice.

Our theory is to maintain an achievable cabinet temp which in turn will regulate the temp of the wort. At the moment I am testing my rig set at 22 degrees. It is all computer controlled with the switching between heat and cool handled by a relay circuit connected to 2 USB relays. We are still putting the finishing touches on the software and will be publishing data around the heating and cooling temps of the peltier on our site at:

Pimpmybrew.com

The site has been dormant for a bit but there are a few articles up there that you may find interesting. We are starting to ramp it up again so you should see a few more articles being posted soon.

All the best for your testing. Peltiers are very cool little devices and are a heap of fun to play with but there seems to be little understanding of how to get the best out of them.

Cheers!

Greg J
 
Sorry to rescue an old thread; but, I want to say thanks to the OP. I used these instructions to build my own. I currently have US-05 fermenting at 61°. Changing 1 gal ice jugs every 12 hrs, they are only 1/2 thawed. Much easier than a swamp cooler. Can't wait to try this for fermenting lagers.
 
First of all, kudos for the design. It works like a charm. Might be a bit too efficient. Brewed the Slacker's Late Hopped IPA again and trying to get to 66 degrees. With one jug, can't get above 64 - fan's not running at all. Maybe another NEPA heatwave is what I need to get that ambient temp up? lol

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I used Gorilla Glue to assemble all the parts and it worked perfectly. If you choose to use it get some clamps.
 
Glad the plans are still helping people out! Wish I hadn't lost the Sketchup files...and wish I had more time to brew, not a single batch this year.
 
Glad the plans are still helping people out! Wish I hadn't lost the Sketchup files...and wish I had more time to brew, not a single batch this year.

:eek: Dude, you only have 18 days left! What about doing an all extract batch? Shaves a lot of time off the brew day, and you already have what is arguably the most important factor covered with your fermentation chamber. The ground water is also nice and cool for chilling so that step should be faster too.
 
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