Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA Clone; LHBS Messed Up!

[wherestheyeast]

Please help!

I went to a new LHBS today with the recipe for Sierra Nevada's Torpedo: (out of BYO 250 Classic Clone Recipes).

I want to try to brew this beer as a 2.5 gallon BIAB batch, so I gave the clerk the recipe and asked to have it divided in half & mill it twice.

The recipe for 2.5 gallons:

7lbs Pale Malt
5.5oz caramel malt 60L
.6 oz Magnum - 60min
.5 oz Magnum - 5 min
.5 oz Crystal - 5 min
.33 oz Magnum - DH
.33 oz Crystal - DH
.33 oz Citra - DH

Mash @ 152F; Boil for 90 mins.

The problem is that it appears the clerk milled 7 lbs pale & 5.5LBS Caramel 60L together.

So, is there anything I can do with this 12.5# of double milled grain?

I plug this recipe into tastybrew and get this:

Low High
OG 1.050 1.134 1.075
FG 1.012 1.034 1.016
IBU 40 12 60+
SRM 8 44 14
ABV 5 12.9 7.8


Please help!

 

[neosapien]

brew it up and enjoy yourself a darker, heavier beer?

maybe you could use half of it and mix with some vienna or something for future use? that's most unfortunate, but hey....beer's beer right?

 

[brewski08]

Please help!

I went to a new LHBS today with the recipe for Sierra Nevada's Torpedo: (out of BYO 250 Classic Clone Recipes).

I want to try to brew this beer as a 2.5 gallon BIAB batch, so I gave the clerk the recipe and asked to have it divided in half & mill it twice.

The recipe for 2.5 gallons:

7lbs Pale Malt
5.5oz caramel malt 60L
.6 oz Magnum - 60min
.5 oz Magnum - 5 min
.5 oz Crystal - 5 min
.33 oz Magnum - DH
.33 oz Crystal - DH
.33 oz Citra - DH

Mash @ 152F; Boil for 90 mins.

The problem is that it appears the clerk milled 7 lbs pale & 5.5LBS Caramel 60L together.

So, is there anything I can do with this 12.5# of double milled grain?

I plug this recipe into tastybrew and get this:

Low High
OG 1.050 1.134 1.075
FG 1.012 1.034 1.016
IBU 40 12 60+
SRM 8 44 14
ABV 5 12.9 7.8


Please help!

haha oh man...that's quite the mess up! you definitely don't want to brew with 5.5 of crystal.

i hate to say it, but unless he separated your pale malt and crystal malt in separate bags, you're going to have to get the tweezers and magnifying glass and start separating your grains. this happened to me before. fortunately, the clerk put the surplus of unwanted grain in my bag last, so it wasn't too hard to separate.

...and if they're already crushed...god help you.

good luck.

 

[kh54s10]

Sounds like you have a base for some experimenting. You can take those as percentages and add something else to make a new recipe.

Or go the LHBS and get them to give you the right amounts.

 

[Uziyahu]

The only way I can see you getting to the correct original recipe would be to figure out how much the ratio of pale malt to caramel malt is in the current mixture. Then calculate how much total weight it you would need to get the 5.5 oz of caramel malt mixed with pale malt.

To do that, you'd have to do some algebra. Caramel Malt weight / Total weight = Desired caramel weight/ Total weight needed.

So it would be something like this 5.5/12.5 = .34375/x

You cross multiply to get 5.5x= 4.296

Divide both sides by 5.5 to get x= .78125lb which is 12.5oz

That means that you would need 12.5 oz of the current mixture to have the 5.5oz of Caramel Malt you need for your recipe. Once you've measured that, you need to buy more pale malt to fill out the rest of the grain bill (6lbs 3.5oz). Now you can make your clone. (And I used to tell my math teacher that I'd never use this).

You'd still have a little more than 11lbs of milled malt left over, so then you could brew again and make another beer.

Or, just make the beer that the fates have handed you and enjoy.

 

[wherestheyeast]

Brewski -- yeah, its been milled (and actually double milled) together....

Uzi -- thanks for the calculations -- I'll think I'll give that a try & maybe brew up the remaining as milled. It would be the biggest beer (over 1.100 OG) I've ever done.

Any pointers on exactly what to do with it? I'm not to the point where I want to try formulating my own recipe -- does anyone have any recipes they could suggest trying? I have a bunch of different hops left over from previous batches & I'm thinking I'd like to try to rack this new "experimental" recipe on the yeast cake from a previous batch.

Thoughts?

PS -- I looked at my LHBS receipt and found that they only charged me for 1 pound of each grain, so I've got that going for me....

 

[bighorn_brew]

Personally, I would take it back and have them re weigh and mill a new batch, in the future I would also specify that I want my grains seperate. Sometimes I have the brewstore mill specialty grains for me but I never want the grains milled together.

Besides, the person milling should be made aware that very unlikely that those two ratios would work.

 

[bob1006]

Take it back. Its their mistake. If you gave them the grain bill and it was clearly written what you wanted, its on them. They should fix it, my Lhbs would.

That much crystal is way to much. Wow, I couldn't imagine what a beer with that much would taste like.

 

[SocalNat]

Every store I've been to I've measured and milled my own grains, of course I've only shopped in two. But it was always my responsibility. If they measured and milled incorrectly then they meed to fix their mistake. That's a big mistake.

 

[johnheather125]

I have brewed the torpedo several times, with 14 lbs pale 2 row and 1 lb Caramel/ crystal 60L. Had great results. But I don't think your current grain bill will be any where near a torpedo. Take it back and they should make it right. I mean why would you need so much for a smaller recipe?

 

[johnheather125]

personally, i would take it back and have them re weigh and mill a new batch, in the future i would also specify that i want my grains seperate. Sometimes i have the brewstore mill specialty grains for me but i never want the grains milled together.

Besides, the person milling should be made aware that very unlikely that those two ratios would work.

+1

 

[wherestheyeast]

It was the first time I checked out the store, and it is the farthest (of three) LHBS in my area, and was about 20% more expensive than what I'm use to seeing. So, yeah prolly not goin back...

 

[lou2row]

crystal 60 works for a lot of recipes. Use Uziyahus formula and plan to make other beers that call for c60 and 2row. Just zip lock with as much air out or vacuum seal the remainder.

 

[wailingguitar]

If you specified the above recipe and the guy actually put in 5 1/2 pounds of crystal, I would go back and make them replace the whole thing. People make mistakes, but that was about as boneheaded as they come... anyone who knows the first thing about brewing would question that before milling!

 

[copyright1997]

crystal 60 works for a lot of recipes. Use Uziyahus formula and plan to make other beers that call for c60 and 2row. Just zip lock with as much air out or vacuum seal the remainder.

+1. You now have enough crystal 60 for a bunch of batches. I just ordered 1/3 sack of crystal 60 in a group buy plus I have 10-12# already. It's good stuff, you just don't want to use it in a single batch. Having it milled already is an issue, the best route is to vacuum seal it.

If you specified the above recipe and the guy actually put in 5 1/2 pounds of crystal, I would go back and make them replace the whole thing. People make mistakes, but that was about as boneheaded as they come... anyone who knows the first thing about brewing would question that before milling!

+1. Tell them they screwed up, maybe they will simply let you keep it and replace your grains or give you credit or whatever. Or, you can send it to me, I will dispose of it properly.

 

[wherestheyeast]

I don't think it'd be that big of an issue if it was milled (and double milled) with the 2-row... Oh well - I should've of realized when the bag she handed me weighed almost 2x as much as I was expecting.

 

[wherestheyeast]

*if it WASN'T milled with the 2-row...*