sanitsizer

[pmoneyismyfriend]

I typically use One Step cleaner to sanitize my equipment, have been using it for years with no adverse affects. But wondering if this stuff is intended to be a sanitizer.

 

[pmoneyismyfriend]

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[IslandLizard]

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[drainbamage]

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[chawn]

I typically use One Step cleaner to sanitize my equipment, have been using it for years with no adverse affects. But wondering if this stuff is intended to be a sanitizer.

Legally it is not. In order to claim a product is a sanitizer, the manufacturer must get approval from the EPA, which is very costly.

 

[Wynne-R]

Sanitsizer, I love it, that’s the way it should be spelled. That's funny.

I know a bar that has a sign that say “exerise room”. One of the bartenders has a day job printing those engraved signs, like a desk nameplate. Nobody spotted the error, at least three people, before it was made.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch . . . I would be leery of using an alkaline sanitsizer with an alkaline cleaner. A lot of the efficacy of the traditional approach, i.e. PBW followed by StarSan is based on a big pH swing.

Many of the pathogens we face are killed by high pH, most of the survivors would be killed by an acidic rinse. PBW, OxiClean and One Step are all similar chemically, and are alkali cleaners with a little oxygen kick.

I use StarSan, followed by Iodophor for sanitizing. Iodophor does not depend on pH, but it works better in acid environments.

 

[ncbrewer]

I would be leery of using an alkaline sanitsizer with an alkaline cleaner. A lot of the efficacy of the traditional approach, i.e. PBW followed by StarSan is based on a big pH swing.

Many of the pathogens we face are killed by high pH, most of the survivors would be killed by an acidic rinse. PBW, OxiClean and One Step are all similar chemically, and are alkali cleaners with a little oxygen kick.

I use StarSan, followed by Iodophor for sanitizing. Iodophor does not depend on pH, but it works better in acid environments.

That is very interesting. In effect then, Oxi also functions as a sanitizer to some extent. You mention pH swing - from your description, it sounds like this doesn't have to be a rapid swing. Sanitizing a week or so after cleaning would still have the same effect, yes?

 

[Wynne-R]

I think that’s right. Dead is dead. Once the thing is clean and sanitized it should be usable for a while. It’s not ideal, but people seem to get away with all kinds of poor practices. It’s probably close enough.

The danger is that your items are exposed to air that carries wild yeast, mold and bacteria. Clean items could be re-contaminated. Absent a food source, apparently there aren’t enough of these beasties to be a problem.

If there were a problem, I would expect it would be beer going sour in the bottle from airborne yeast, and that doesn’t seem to happen much.

I don’t want to feed the PBW is OxiClean meme. They both produce oxygen, but with PBW it’s a small amount. PBW is mainly sodium silicate, though it contains some form of chelate to react out the calcium.

Oxi and One step are sodium percarbonate based. Oxi has more sodium carbonate and less sodium percarbonate, it’s way cheaper but not as strong. Name brand Oxi has added detergent, good for laundry, bad for beer. Stick with the generic.

All three are going to produce an alkaline solution, pH around pH 11. That should kill the mold and the yeast. StarSan properly mixed with soft water comes in about 2.2, killing the bacteria. My original point is that a pH range of 3-11 should kill most anything.