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Better beer city: San Diego or Portland?

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the whole "most SD breweries aren't really in SD" argument doesn't really make sense. Anyone who is at all familiar with how socal is organized knows that we have many many cities within a very short distance. I can literally drive less than 10 minutes in any direction and be technically in a different city. well, except west or I'd be in the ocean. Anybody who lives in la mesa, el cajon, la jolla, escondido, etc will say they live in SD if asked by anyone outside of SD. just like anyone who is from torrance, carson, santa monica, etc, will say they live in LA. Maybe the PDX area is like that too, but I don't know it well enough to say.

To your point we can do the same in Portland. I can drive 10 minutes and be in Milwaukie, Clackamas, Oregon City, Lake Oswego, Tualitin, Hilsboro, Beaverton, Tigard, Wilsonville, West Linn, etc etc. And to take it a step further, I can be in the following WA towns, Vancouver, Camas, Battle Ground.

But that's what I'm saying. All the shops mentioned are actually in Portland, not a surrounding town that claims to be Portland (or San Diego).
 
This is a tough argument to have because there are different things you can measure. The problem with trying to rate Portland and Oregon is that we drink most of the beer that gets produced here. If you don't live here or travel here, you haven't experienced it and won't be able to give it a fair shake. Oregon has the highest draft beer % and the highest craft % in consumption in the country, and the bulk of beer produced in Oregon gets drank in Oregon. Like was said earlier, there might not be the nationally sought after cache brands like Russian River and DogFish Head, but good beer is part of every day life. Every crappy dive has multiple good local beers. The chain restaurants have 10 oregon beers on tap. The crappy quickymart has 20 different local six packs. The most popular micros around town aren't available outside of the city let alone the state. You can't get Amnesia, Upright, Laurelwood, Roots, or Double Mountain if you aren't around here. McMenamins doesn't sell commercially, they just have dozens and dozens of pubs, brewpubs, event halls, and converted schools you can hang out it in. It's more of a "vibe" thing than can be quantified by comparing breweries.

Also, I think the SD breweries have done a better job of creating "buzz beers" and created more of a national desire for their bottled beers. The Oregon breweries have largely kept their "buzz beer" kind of beers in the local draft beer scene, while companies like BridgePort and Widmer have gone national with affordable six-packs, not trying (until recently) to compete nationally with Russian River, Dogfish Head, etc.

that is a very good point, for example jubelale in a bottle down here tastes great in it's own right, but tastes like piss compared to on cask at the deschutes pub. Same is true about a 2 month old bottle of pliny compared to having it off the tap in Santa Rosa.
 
I'm a bit of a beer geek and have never heard of Ballast Point nor Green Flash, and I've traveled all over the USA to drink beer and snoop around in bottle shops.


There's simply no way that SD has any sort of claim to "Beervana".

and we're continuing the evolution with the move to recognize a distinct style of "Dark IPA" (working name: "Cascadian Pale Ale"), using darker malts and the "C" hops.

1. If you've never heard of Green Flash or Ballast Point, you're really not paying attention. They've been out there for a good while and they get a ton of press.

2. Your opinion is just that and you're pretty silly for thinking that when you haven't even had two of the best breweries in San Diego.

3. Look up "San Diego Pale Ale" and we can talk about developing styles. Plus, we've had black/dark IPAs down here for plenty of years. Good for you guys for wanting to claim it. It is very much known that craft beer is deeply embedded in the Portland culture, and San Diego is finding its way still. So what?

You're sooooo proud of your town, but you're bordering on arrogant and it is offputting. I'm going to go put a bottle of Black Butte XX in the fridge next to my bottle of Alesmith Grand Cru and when I'm drinking it tonight, I won't remember how pointless and silly it is to argue such things. Thank God I'm not too much of a ******* to appreciate every town for its merits and enjoy each for their strengths and weaknesses.
 
But that's what I'm saying. All the shops mentioned are actually in Portland, not a surrounding town that claims to be Portland (or San Diego).

There are, for lack of a better term, towns that comprise San Diego city. The majority of the populated areas in SD county will put 'San Diego, CA 9xxxx' on their address. Areas have names, but they are not independent cities. There are some further north in the county, such as Escondido, that are independent cities, which that happens to be where Stone is located.
 
Look out folks. Now they've brought geography into the debate!

This is turning into a real donnybrook...

I'm just clarifying for the non-San Diegans. I'm relatively neutral in this debate, with my only sway towards San Diego being that I live here and have never been to Portland...
 
Until my main points are refuted, there is nothing more to say, this conversation is indeed totally pointless.

Many here are doing a great job of nitpicking around the edges, and missing the content. That's cool, if that's your modus operandi, but it isn't intelligent conversation. I particularly enjoyed the charge of being "arrogant and offputting". That's rich.

Here's a little something to take you into the new year:
http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Movin' on.
 
To your point we can do the same in Portland. I can drive 10 minutes and be in Milwaukie, Clackamas, Oregon City, Lake Oswego, Tualitin, Hilsboro, Beaverton, Tigard, Wilsonville, West Linn, etc etc. And to take it a step further, I can be in the following WA towns, Vancouver, Camas, Battle Ground.

But that's what I'm saying. All the shops mentioned are actually in Portland, not a surrounding town that claims to be Portland (or San Diego).

Bah, Camas, why would you ever want to go to Camas?!?!? Do they still have the papermill...or was that in Washougal?!?!?
 
I was not counting national chains such as GB or Rockbottom.



And if you're counting satellite restaurant breweries you can not make the above statement...Deschutes, Rogue, Full Sail, Pyramid etc all have production facilities in Portland. If you count GB, you have to count them.



If we're going solely off number of breweries IN A CITY (that is with a San Diego or Portland address) I don't see how you can say that. 21 vs 7 isn't even close.

21 where nobody really cares about 18 of them...
 
drinking hop head red from green flash right now so i have to say san diego. although i dont know why you couldnt include a colorodo city in this debate
 
got to represent the PNW. It might rain non-stop up here but that just gives us more time indoors to fine tune our hobbie.
 
Can we just get to the drunken brawl scene or what?! It's NYE, kids. Belly up, have a brew.


(said the San Diegan.)

No!! Not San Diego!! Carlsbad!! :p

As soon as I saw this thread I thought, "Uh oh, here we go again..."

I see it like this: Both towns have great beer communities.
I think Portland's is a little more established and SD is trying to make it's mark and doing a damn good job at it!

To me the argument is kind of stupid and that's why I dropped out of the last one.

In all seriousness, it's kind of the same as arguing local sport's teams.
You really don't have anything to do with it, so why are you getting all puffed up about it?

But... the Chargers are going to win the Super Bowl this year so.....
 
I see it like this: Both towns have great beer communities.
I think Portland's is a little more established and SD is trying to make it's mark and doing a damn good job at it!

Thank you. This is the heart of what I want to convey, but the ****ing Portland people (person) are way too stubborn and ignorant to hear anything else. "I've never heard of it" is a horrible benchmark for anything.

We both have AMAZING beer, some of the best in the world. This isn't a dick-out contest. This is beer. FUN, WONDERFUL BEER. There are no sides, there are no winners and losers, save for the ****ty breweries. We all get good beer and we all win, even if captain ********* wants to keep pretending people didn't bring up several GREAT SD breweries. OH NO, they're not in his bottle shop so they're terrible! Tell that to Bell's, Founders, New Glarus, New Holland, etc. You don't know JACK, buddy. Good luck with your boring, narrow outlook on life.

Straight ignorance.
 
What part of SD are you moving to?

Remember, if you say Escondido or La Mesa, it's not really San Diego!!!
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Wow, you'll both actually be "In San Diego".

By the way, I really like Hillcrest, despite it's reputation...
 
I think all the main points have been hit, most everything has been said. So, at the risk of repeating what has been said, both cities have great beer and vibrant beer scenes. In Portland, good beer drips from every inch of the city. People have figured out how to integrate drinking good beer into nearly every part of life...nothing like getting a pint of Black Butte or Brutal Bitter at the Farmers market.

I can't speak to San Diego's scene, but, as I said above, living in Los Angeles Green Flash and Alesmith (among others) are my salvation. At some point soon I'll take a weekend and go on a little bender down there. FYI, the Rogue in Portland doesn't actually brew anything, but they do distill spirits there.

Just as I, myself, want and need to experience San Diego, I'd advise all my So Cal comrades to take a trip up north. Go in the Fall at harvest time, it's a trip. Wet hop beers everywhere and you can take a hike and find wild hops growing all over. Do what I used to do, get a $40 room at the Mcmenamins White Eagle (supposedly the most haunted place in Portland), check out the Widmer Gashaus across the street, definitely go to Amnesia a mile up the road, the take the Max downtown and explore the brewpubs.

--BTW I'm 35k feet avoe Iowa right now watching Ghostbusters.... thanks Virgin America.
 

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