Russian River Brewing Sucks

[bottlebomber]

Vinnie sent me this email. This should seal this particular issue:

Andrew,
...

You're also an Andrew? No wonder I like you despite the fact that you're an azzholio

Good grief Troll World is back. The last time he/she was on here she started a thread about how bad Americans suck, and another rant about how nobody pours a beer correctly.

 

[InLimbo]

I read the first few pages yesterday, left, now I'm back and this has turned into a real ****-slinging fest. Hopefully this thread will be moderated, because not only was the OP wrong according to Vinnie's response posted a few messages before mine, but this kind of negativity and bull**** just doesn't belong on this forum. I'd expect something like this on that other forum that encourages the Advocacy of Beer, but not here.

 

[BigfootCounty]

I guess DDT is only safe to use when your other options include death by malaria

banned from agricultural use world wide just smacks safety doesn't it

 

[KingBrianI]

I guess DDT is only safe to use when your other options include death by malaria

banned from agricultural use world wide just smacks safety doesn't it

As I stated previously, I didn't expect to change your mind and I can see I haven't. That's fine, I just hope I might have opened a few others' eyes to the side of the story they don't usually see.

 

[EllisTX]

I heard that RR sells their malt into slave labor to offset some of their cost. Only when they've worked in the fields and sweat shops do they get to be ground up and made into beer.

Seriously, I heard it on the interwebs. There's no denying it.

 

[dwarven_stout]

not being able to afford organics and not supporting organics are two entirely different things


but people claiming that gmo "saved the world" or "are just as tasty"
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

live for 1 day on feeding yourself nothing but super potent chemically derived vitamins. Wash it down with something that will kill all of the living organisms in your gut then tell me how there were absolutely no effects.

then keep ramping you dosages up and up and up for 60 years... real healthy right.

for those of you who are unaware there are other things growing in the soil besides plants that our earth needs to function.

not to even mention the unknown long term effects of such farming practices.

we test drugs very very very thoroughly but do we test such pesticides/fertilizers...yes but only to make sure they grow things and or kill the bad stuff because well you know who gives a **** right?

You come off as even less well informed than the (trolling) OP.

 

[Special Hops]

I heard that RR sells their malt into slave labor to offset some of their cost. Only when they've worked in the fields and sweat shops do they get to be ground up and made into beer.

And they use child labor to clean and scrub their fermenters after every batch. 5-10 years old. Think of the children. THINK OF THE CHILDREN DAMNIT!

 

[mikeysab]

Russian river beers are made from people......theyre made from people

 

[Jukas]

Russian river beers are made from people......theyre made from people

Only because the child laborers clean the fermenters with soylant green. Nods.

 

[Stauffbier]

I can't get RR here in Old El Paso, and since they don't even grow GMO brewing grain this entire thread is irrelevant to me. With that said, I still enjoy sitting back and watching an outraged lynch mob with my beer and whiskey in hand. Hella good entertainment on a Friday night!

 

[ryno84]

I started to read the thread, but then I fell asleep

 

[dwarven_stout]

I started to read the thread, but then I fell asleep

Probably all that GMO barley you're stuffing down.

 

[Mongrel]

An organic pint of RR would likely cost $6 each for normal beers just by going to organic malts, likely more if you went all organic hops.

H.U.B. manages an all organic tap list and menu without that extra cost to the consumer. Even their painted bombers are less than that in the grocery store.

 

[eastoak]

what happened?

 

[bottlebomber]

H.U.B. manages an all organic tap list and menu without that extra cost to the consumer. Even their painted bombers are less than that in the grocery store.

My local organic brewpub makes and sells their beer for a quarter more a pint. The thing I am noticing with the H.U.B brews is that they are all moderate alcohol and moderately hopped beers. In other words they are not that expensive to make, even using organic ingredients. RR beers by comparison are probably significantly more costly to make even using conventionally grown ingredients. A lot goes into RR beers. And they are also enjoying some well deserved recognition because they are one of the best if not the best brewpubs in the country. I don't see anything wrong with their prices at all.

 

[TyTanium]

Vinnie sent me this email. This should seal this particular issue:

Andrew,

Thanks for the email, the malts we use are not GMO...

What web site is the debate going? I’d be curious to read some of the consumer comments...

Take care,

Vinnie
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Thanks for posting this! Great to hear from the brewer/owner himself. As in most things, we can speculate all we want, but we clearly don't have all the info. Best to go directly to the source. Thanks.

Your next task is to get Vinnie posting here

 

[brewit2it]

My local organic brewpub makes and sells their beer for a quarter more a pint. The thing I am noticing with the H.U.B brews is that they are all moderate alcohol and moderately hopped beers. In other words they are not that expensive to make, even using organic ingredients. RR beers by comparison are probably significantly more costly to make even using conventionally grown ingredients. A lot goes into RR beers. And they are also enjoying some well deserved recognition because they are one of the best if not the best brewpubs in the country. I don't see anything wrong with their prices at all.

Welcome to the thread from hell We have already established:

1. There is no Brewers GM Barley available period.
2. RR makes kickazz beer and the brewpub prices are dirt cheap in comparison to pretty much everywhere else.
3. The OP was trolling, which worked very well considering the size of this thread.

 

[bottlebomber]

Your next task is to get Vinnie posting here

I think PP may have arranged that actually. Hopefully it comes through.

 

[OldWorld]

I think Cargill malts should not be used under any circumstance...I saw with my own eyes a bag of Cargill malts labled for use on a particular belgian ale at the Russian River Brewery.

If we are going to push for a craft beer market we've got to demand ethical ingredients. Cargill is not a supporter of organic farms or ethical meat production. Cargill basically rules the earths food supply system...causing starvation based on holding supplies.

Cargill can afford to price local farmers out of the market or force them to essentially sharecrop for next to nothing.

Although Russian River might not use GMO grain...the Cargill products they do use are heavily supported by big time agriculture thugs.

It's great to see Vinnie caring...I hope he will do some research and speak with local organic farmers about the ethics of Cargill. He might be in for a big surprise.

 

[bottlebomber]

They use cargill GMO malts in the belgian beers. Yet they charge a premium for them.

Screw em...

Although Russian River might not use GMO grain...

Well I think we've seen enough here.

 

[passedpawn]

Thanks for posting this! Great to hear from the brewer/owner himself. As in most things, we can speculate all we want, but we clearly don't have all the info. Best to go directly to the source. Thanks.

Your next task is to get Vinnie posting here

Yes, that would be very cool.

 

[BrewKnurd]

I think Cargill malts should not be used under any circumstance...I saw with my own eyes a bag of Cargill malts labled for use on a particular belgian ale at the Russian River Brewery.

If we are going to push for a craft beer market we've got to demand ethical ingredients. Cargill is not a supporter of organic farms or ethical meat production. Cargill basically rules the earths food supply system...causing starvation based on holding supplies.

Cargill can afford to price local farmers out of the market or force them to essentially sharecrop for next to nothing.

Although Russian River might not use GMO grain...the Cargill products they do use are heavily supported by big time agriculture thugs.

It's great to see Vinnie caring...I hope he will do some research and speak with local organic farmers about the ethics of Cargill. He might be in for a big surprise.

Ok, so now we've gone from "RR sucks" to "Cargill sucks". So your real beef is then with any craft brewer that uses Cargill?

Oh, and given how well thought out and researched your previous claims have been, you'll have to pardon some skepticism about your new stance.

 

[HopSong]

Unfortunately, I keep looking at this cr@ppy thread.. and have posted once.. er, now twice..

What a clown this guy is.. Where is he come from?

He brews.. and ultimately uses the same grains we all use. ???

O/W.. tell us what grains you use.. and where do you get them??

If it weren't for people like me.. this post would fade into oblivion.

I'm glad to live so close to RR.. any waiting in line there is worth the wait.

 

[Jukas]

Guys, this thread is getting dangerously close to rational again.

Can't we all just agree that Russian Rivers heinous business practices caused the subprime mortgage crisis and resulting economic tailspin?

 

[TrubHead]

Welcome to the thread from hell We have already established:

1. There is no Brewers GM Barley available period.
2. RR makes kickazz beer and the brewpub prices are dirt cheap in comparison to pretty much everywhere else.
3. The OP was trolling, which worked very well considering the size of this thread.

Is nice to read that my latest research supports number 1. However need an RR PTE or PTY to confirm...think I'm man enough to give it a go.

 

[OldWorld]

I don't think people should market a product as "craft beer" when it uses Cargill malts...But if I must stay on topic...

I was griping about price increases...For 20$ I can get a bottle of Cantillion and it's got no Cargill garbage in it...heck it's even organic.

 

[OG2620]

I don't think people should market a product as "craft beer" when it uses Cargill malts...But if I must stay on topic...

I was griping about price increases...For 20$ I can get a bottle of Cantillion and it's got no Cargill garbage in it...heck it's even organic.

Fair enough. Move on then.

 

[sanibel14]

Boston Beer company is also considered "craft beer". Not sure what those words even mean anymore. Just be glad we live in the states and have such a great selection to choose from. Just got back from Mexico and as soon as I walked in the house I cracked open a can of Dales Pale Ale to wash the taste of cheap lager out of my mouth.

 

[jerryteague]

Ok, so what I'm getting from this thread is: RR is the bad guy for trying to make a profit off their beers, they used a brand of malt that singlehandedly is responsible for the housing collapse, pesticides cause male pattern baldness and are generally are going to bring about the end of the world. Did I leave anything out?
I live in Beer Hell, and we essentially don't have a craft beer scene anywhere close to what most people have. I've read about RR, and their prices don't seem off base at all. As far as GMO grain goes, who here can tell the difference? I certainly cannot, and since nothing bad can live in beer, who cares if it's GMO or not. If it weren't for GM crops, half the food we eat wouldn't exist (namely corn). Oh, and to the OP; RDWHAHB, it's better than a sharp stick in the eye. That is all.....

 

[ktblunden]

I don't think people should market a product as "craft beer" when it uses Cargill malts...But if I must stay on topic...

I was griping about price increases...For 20$ I can get a bottle of Cantillion and it's got no Cargill garbage in it...heck it's even organic.

Let's have some proof that Cargill is garbage.