Recipe advice?

[cfd577]

Have some extra grain and hops I have to use soon and trying to put a recipe for a black IPA together. Here is what I have so far. I'm not that experienced at designing recipes so any advice would be appreciated.

Ingredients
Amt Name Type# %/IBU
12 lbs 12.5 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 77.7%
1 lbs 4.4 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 7.7%
1 lbs 4.4 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (80.0 SRM) Grain 7.7 %
10.2 oz Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 3.9 %
8 oz Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) Grain 3.0 %
0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [16.30 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 21.7 IBUs
1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [16.30 %] - Boil 45.0 min Hop 39.9 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.70 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 26.0 IBUs
1.00 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Boil 15.0 mins) Other
0.25 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 mins) Fining
1.00 oz Centennial [8.70 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.70 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg american west coast (Lallemand #BRY-97) Yeast
1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [16.30 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Day 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.70 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days Hop 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Centennial [8.70 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days Hop 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Centennial [8.70 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [16.30 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Simcoe [12.70 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 0.0 IBUs

 

[Yooper]

That's too much crystal malt. I'd keep it at under 10% crystal, preferably around 8%.

Why the minute amount of rye malt? It won't hurt, but it won't be detectable or anything so I'd probably skip it unless you're just trying to use it up.

I'd move the 45 and 30 minute hops to 15 and 5 minutes, as you won't get much out of them for flavor and aroma at 45 and 30 minutes. Or, move the 45 minute columbus up to 60 minutes to get the bittering out of them, and use a total of 1 ounce at 60 minutes.

I prefer a schedule that has lots of late hops, so I'd probably go with a more standard 60/15/0/dryhop hops schedule.

 

[Kershner_Ale]

Agreed with Yooper, too much Crystal. Also too much Chocolate malt. You want the Chocolate malt to add color but no chocolate / roast flavors (unless that's what you're going for). I might suggest going with 4-5 oz Chocolate, grind it really fine, and either cold steep it to extract color or add it during the sparge.

 

[cfd577]

Thanks for the advice. I am stuck with the 2 row, crystal malts and rye as they where ground and mixed in one bag. The chocolate I can bump down if it will work better. I like the idea of your hop schedule and will try it.

 

[cfd577]

This is what the recipe looks like with both your suggestions. Any other suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks again for helping a newbie thats eager to brew.

Recipe: Black IPA
Brewer: Jamie Bunner
Asst Brewer:
Style: Imperial IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 7.25 gal
Post Boil Volume: 6.50 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.50 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.077 SG
Estimated Color: 21.2 SRM
Estimated IBU: 70.2 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 81.8 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
12 lbs 12.5 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 76.7 %
1 lbs 4.4 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 2 7.6 %
1 lbs 4.4 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (80.0 SRM) Grain 3 7.6 %
1 lbs Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) Grain 4 6.0 %
5.3 oz Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 5 2.0 %
1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [16.30 %] - Boil 60. Hop 6 42.6 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.70 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 7 16.5 IBUs
1.00 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Boil 15.0 mins) Other 8 -
0.25 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 mins) Fining 9 -
1.00 oz Centennial [8.70 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 10 4.5 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.70 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 6.6 IBUs
1.0 pkg american west coast (Lallemand #BRY-97) Yeast 12 -
1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [16.30 %] - Dry Hop Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.70 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Centennial [8.70 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Centennial [8.70 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [16.30 %] - Dry Hop Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Simcoe [12.70 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 18 0.0 IBUs


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 16 lbs 10.5 oz
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 20.82 qt of water at 168.2 F 152.0 F 60 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (0.54gal, 3.75gal) of 168.0 F water