Raw Vegan brewing.

[afr0byte]

...The lady who makes a show out of wrinkling her nose at the salad I'm eating at lunch (which isn't THAT often for gods sake) always fat....

My wife was actually surprised at how few salads I ate when she first met me. I prefer something like steamed veggies (mushrooms and brussel sprouts are nice!) along with beans and some kind of whole grain (quinoa, amaranth, brown rice).

 

[bottlebomber]

Well I was berated for using my experience as a device for simply sharing my thoughts on the topic earlier in this thread. I won't do the same to you, because I understand where you're coming from. While I love meat, and eat it daily, I am healthy, perhaps even low in weight. I do, however understand what you mean. Working in an office full of obese people has terrible qualities. I also get the "must be nice to be skinny" comments from overweight coworkers while I eat a burger or tacos, and then proceed to witness these same people consume the same, only in LARGER portions! It all comes down to this, though... Not everyone acts that way.

Well, you did kind of say that you feel hostile toward every vegan you've met. That was on you. I agree that plenty of vegans are real douchey, particularly the new converts. If you are keeping your body in good shape you get a tip of the hat from me regardless of what your diet is.

My wife was actually surprised at how few salads I ate when she first met me. I prefer something like steamed veggies (mushrooms and brussel sprouts are nice!) along with beans and some kind of whole grain (quinoa, amaranth, brown rice).

I've been eating more lately, but never been a salad guy. Lots of beans and whole grains. Lots of tofu. I've got some awesome tofu recipes if anyone is interested

 

[afr0byte]

I've been eating more lately, but never been a salad guy. Lots of beans and whole grains. Lots of tofu. I've got some awesome tofu recipes if anyone is interested

Yes, please. I've got ~7lbs of tofu in the fridge (Costco has it cheap, so we buy in bulk).

 

[Halbrust]

I can't stand tofu. I always figured I just didn't like the taste until talking to a vegetarian friend who said I may have an uncommon receptor, and that is why tofu tastes like dirt to me. I guess some people have the same thing with broccoli, if they have the receptor then broccoli is super bitter to them.

 

[JordanThomas]

Well, you did kind of say that you feel hostile toward every vegan you've met. That was on you. I agree that plenty of vegans are real douchey, particularly the new converts. If you are keeping your body in good shape you get a tip of the hat from me regardless of what your diet is.


I've been eating more lately, but never been a salad guy. Lots of beans and whole grains. Lots of tofu. I've got some awesome tofu recipes if anyone is interested

Ughh... I need to stop following this thread. I said that because it's true. How is that bad? You painting every meat eater as fat is pretty bad. I wasn't saying every vegan was a jerk. Just all those that I have met. I really don't care anymore.

 

[afr0byte]

I can't stand tofu. I always figured I just didn't like the taste until talking to a vegetarian friend who said I may have an uncommon receptor, and that is why tofu tastes like dirt to me. I guess some people have the same thing with broccoli, if they have the receptor then broccoli is super bitter to them.

Yeah, that's definitely odd, since it basically doesn't have any taste unless you add something else to it via marinade or what not.

 

[afr0byte]

Ughh... I need to stop following this thread. I said that because it's true. How is that bad? You painting every meat eater as fat is pretty bad. I wasn't saying every vegan was a jerk. Just all those that I have met. I really don't care anymore.

I think it came across as bad because bringing it up in this kind of thread makes it come across as you painting all vegans as jerks--seemingly adding to the circle-jerk of other comments (like "I'm going to go eat some veal!").

 

[MalFet]

Bottlebomber is one of the more articulate people I know, so I hesitate to speak on his behalf, but:

Just to be clear, bottlebomber is making claims about people who ridicule him for being a vegetarian, not meat eaters. That's an important distinction in this context.

 

[JordanThomas]

Bottlebomber is one of the more articulate people I know, so I hesitate to speak on his behalf, but:

Just to be clear, bottlebomber is making claims about people who ridicule him for being a vegetarian, not meat eaters. That's an important distinction in this context.

Perhaps you missed this post:

It may be a little low, especially considering how self conscious people are about their bodies. And I apologize for any hurt feelings. However I will say that out of the thousands of times I've been ridiculed for my diet throughout my life, it had never been by a healthy-figured carnivore. And I know it's because they are projecting/venting their dissatisfaction with how they feel with themselves as a result of their own poor choices on me. The guy who walks up to me at the barbecue with a stick on a plate, always fat. The lady who makes a show out of wrinkling her nose at the salad I'm eating at lunch (which isn't THAT often for gods sake) always fat. So forgive me if I'M a little jaded. It's wasn't easy growing up this way in a redneck community I assure you.

And how exactly does he KNOW this?

 

[Devin]

He's out of his mind. I've didn't have as much as a Slim Jim growing up and I'm 6'6" and 245 lbs. No apparent lack of nourishment there.

Good for you. I am guessing that your family is fairly big, also? Most of my family are very tall. I am 6'8" and some change and run around 210 during running season and about 220 during the off-season. Do I attribute that to my diet? No. I attribute it to the fact that my family members before me were/are very tall. Average height for the ladies runs around 6'2" or so, and average for the guys is around 6'5" or so.

I think that it is funny that you keep insinuating that meat-eaters tend to be fat (yes, you do insert the word "usually", but still). I actually don't know many vegetarians, and no vegans. Of the few vegetarians that I do know, over half of them I would consider to be a bit "chubby". Eating right is part of it. Another big part, IMO, is exercise. Even if you are only consuming veggies, but still wolf down massive amounts of calories and don't do anything but sit on the couch and watch TV, you are probably going to gain some weight.

What does meat provide that a vegetarian diet does not?

Taste.

Everything aside, I truly do love vegetarians and vegans. Means more meat for me. :rockin:

 

[MalFet]

And how exactly does he KNOW this?

I have no idea, but that's not what I said.

Just to be clear, bottlebomber is making claims about people who ridicule him for being a vegetarian, not meat eaters. That's an important distinction in this context.

Perhaps you missed this post:

Perhaps you missed this post:

It may be a little low, especially considering how self conscious people are about their bodies. And I apologize for any hurt feelings. However I will say that out of the thousands of times I've been ridiculed for my diet throughout my life, it had never been by a healthy-figured carnivore. And I know it's because they are projecting/venting their dissatisfaction with how they feel with themselves as a result of their own poor choices on me. The guy who walks up to me at the barbecue with a stick on a plate, always fat. The lady who makes a show out of wrinkling her nose at the salad I'm eating at lunch (which isn't THAT often for gods sake) always fat. So forgive me if I'M a little jaded. It's wasn't easy growing up this way in a redneck community I assure you.

...which seems strange because you just linked to it and put the same sentence in bold. :cross:

 

[JordanThomas]

I have no idea, but that's not what I said.



Perhaps you missed this post:



...which seems strange because you just linked to it and put the same sentence in bold. :cross:

That is a claim about both those who ridicule him, and meat eaters. My reading comprehension is fine. I realize that there is a high probability that I'm being trolled. So, I would really just appreciate it if my posts were no longer quoted. I'd rather not have to defend myself every time someone interprets something I said in a way that it was not meant.

 

[MalFet]

That is a claim about both those who ridicule him, and meat eaters. My reading comprehension is fine.

I'll let him speak for himself when he comes back on.

I realize that there is a high probability that I'm being trolled. So, I would really just appreciate it if my posts were no longer quoted. I'd rather not have to defend myself every time someone interprets something I said in a way that it was not meant.

Funny thing about that actually. I don't think I ever quoted you except when directly addressed by you. Conversely, you've pulled me into your world three or four times now.

 

[JordanThomas]

I'll let him speak for himself when he comes back on.

Thanks for letting us all know that you will let people speak for themselves.

 

[BuddyWeiser]

I was born with teeth that cut meat and crush raw vegetables & fruit pretty well. I don't feel like there's much of a decision here for me to make. I can prefer meats or prefer vegetables, but I ought to eat both.

Also, raw chicken + starsan =

Somebody make it happen.

 

[bottlebomber]

Yes, please. I've got ~7lbs of tofu in the fridge (Costco has it cheap, so we buy in bulk).

I will PM a few good ones this evening

Ughh... I need to stop following this thread. I said that because it's true. How is that bad? You painting every meat eater as fat is pretty bad. I wasn't saying every vegan was a jerk. Just all those that I have met. I really don't care anymore.

Not what I ever said though is it. In fact, I specifically noted in a previous post that I suspected that empty carbohydrates were largely to blame for the obesity I see around me. I fact, I specifically noted that these would probably be better off eating a large, protein filled steak rather than, say, 6 little 1 oz bags of chips. I was, as Malfet was able to discern, speaking specifically of those who eat meat AND feel a need to ridicule others for their diet.

Yeah, that's definitely odd, since it basically doesn't have any taste unless you add something else to it via marinade or what not.

To me it tastes sort of earthy when raw.. I can see why someone would think of it as a dirt flavor lol. Most people seem to object to the texture, which is also something that's effected a lot by how you cook if.

Perhaps you missed this post:

And how exactly does he KNOW this?

You're right, I don't KNOW. And so I accept that refinement on the statements I made. I am not qualified to made psychological diagnoses of why people do things. I will instead say that it often appears to be this way.

Good for you. I am guessing that your family is fairly big, also? Most of my family are very tall. I am 6'8" and some change and run around 210 during running season and about 220 during the off-season. Do I attribute that to my diet? No. I attribute it to the fact that my family members before me were/are very tall. Average height for the ladies runs around 6'2" or so, and average for the guys is around 6'5" or so.

I think that it is funny that you keep insinuating that meat-eaters tend to be fat (yes, you do insert the word "usually", but still). I actually don't know many vegetarians, and no vegans. Of the few vegetarians that I do know, over half of them I would consider to be a bit "chubby". Eating right is part of it. Another big part, IMO, is exercise. Even if you are only consuming veggies, but still wolf down massive amounts of calories and don't do anything but sit on the couch and watch TV, you are probably going to gain some weight.

Taste.

Everything aside, I truly do love vegetarians and vegans. Means more meat for me. :rockin:

You're correct, I am large because of genetics. However, please note that I never said that I am large because of what I eat. I simply defended an accusation that a vegetarian diet is somehow nutrient deficient, and will truncate health. I used myself as an example because I am on the extreme for size, and so this is likely not an accurate statement. I am not making any claims that a vegetarian diet will trump genetics and allow you to grow to six and a half feet tall. Please quote my comment in which I said that meat eaters are usually fat, please. Most of the citizens of the earth eat meat, and are not nearly as obese as what is typical in this country.

That is a claim about both those who ridicule him, and meat eaters. My reading comprehension is fine. I realize that there is a high probability that I'm being trolled. So, I would really just appreciate it if my posts were no longer quoted. I'd rather not have to defend myself every time someone interprets something I said in a way that it was not meant.

I think you may be trolling yourself.

 

[JordanThomas]

I will PM a few good ones this evening

Not what I ever said though is it. In fact, I specifically noted in a previous post that I suspected that empty carbohydrates were largely to blame for the obesity I see around me. I fact, I specifically noted that these would probably be better off eating a large, protein filled steak rather than, say, 6 little 1 oz bags of chips. I was, as Malfet was able to discern, speaking specifically of those who eat meat AND feel a need to ridicule others for their diet.

To me it tastes sort of earthy when raw.. I can see why someone would think of it as a dirt flavor lol. Most people seem to object to the texture, which is also something that's effected a lot by how you cook if.

You're right, I don't KNOW. And so I accept that refinement on the statements I made. I am not qualified to made psychological diagnoses of why people do things. I will instead say that it often appears to be this way.

You're correct, I am large because of genetics. However, please note that I never said that I am large because of what I eat. I simply defended an accusation that a vegetarian diet is somehow nutrient deficient, and will truncate health. I used myself as an example because I am on the extreme for size, and so this is likely not an accurate statement. I am not making any claims that a vegetarian diet will trump genetics and allow you to grow to six and a half feet tall. Please quote my comment in which I said that meat eaters are usually fat, please. Most of the citizens of the earth eat meat, and are not nearly as obese as what is typical in this country.


I think you may be trolling yourself.

TL: DR

Good day.

 

[Devin]

Per your request.

Well, yeah. I guess you could come around with "I hope you get cancer from your charbroiled meat and die!", but why engage lol. It's usually all in good fun. And also usually from fat people

It may be a little low, especially considering how self conscious people are about their bodies. And I apologize for any hurt feelings. However I will say that out of the thousands of times I've been ridiculed for my diet throughout my life, it had never been by a healthy-figured carnivore. And I know it's because they are projecting/venting their dissatisfaction with how they feel with themselves as a result of their own poor choices on me. The guy who walks up to me at the barbecue with a stick on a plate, always fat. The lady who makes a show out of wrinkling her nose at the salad I'm eating at lunch (which isn't THAT often for gods sake) always fat. So forgive me if I'M a little jaded. It's wasn't easy growing up this way in a redneck community I assure you.

Like I said, you insinuate the idea. It is not a big deal - I just thought it was funny.

I am a big carnivore, and I am not fat. I guess that my redneck upbringing turned out ok for me.

 

[bottlebomber]

Per your request.

Like I said, you insinuate the idea. It is not a big deal - I just thought it was funny.

I am a big carnivore, and I am not fat. I guess that my redneck upbringing turned out ok for me.

Those remarks were discussing SPECIFICALLY those who feel a need to antagonize a vegetarian. It's quite obvious that that is what was being discussed.

 

[Devin]

Those remarks were discussing SPECIFICALLY those who feel a need to antagonize a vegetarian. It's quite obvious that that is what was being discussed.

Quite obvious, yes.

Well, I don't know you, so I won't antagonize you. Your record of thousands non-healthy figured people giving you crap about being a vegetarian will remain. But I give the few vegetarian friends that I have tremendous amounts of crap about their choice of diet. As you said, it is mostly in good fun. I truly don't understand the choice to be a vegetarian, though. That is one of those things that has always baffled me.

 

[neosapien]

So how long does one need to mash a vegan, and at what temp, to get a decent beer out of them?

 

[MalFet]

Uh oh. This thread's getting long enough that the same jokes are showing up for the third time.

Anyone else wonder where the OP went? :fro:

 

[neosapien]

Uh oh. This thread's getting long enough that the same jokes are showing up for the third time.

Anyone else wonder where the OP went? :fro:

yeah, I couldn't be bothered to read all 11+ pages of "my lifestyle is better than yours" bickering.

 

[MalFet]

yeah, I couldn't be bothered to read all 11+ pages of "my lifestyle is better than yours" bickering.

I don't blame you.

 

[bob1852]

Anyone else wonder where the OP went? :fro:

What is "When if enough, enough" and "do arms make us safe"?

 

[beaksnbeer]

Ok made it to the end, here's what I ended up with a thread that OP wanted a Raw beer ended up vegan/veg vs primal/carnivore with liberal amounts of DELICIOUS BACON thrown about. So all I found out is I am a meat eating vegetarian omnivore beer drinker who ran out of beer in his glass and is going to get a beer and cuz, I gots no bacon!

 

[afr0byte]

yeah, I couldn't be bothered to read all 11+ pages of "my lifestyle is better than yours" bickering.

Where did someone say their lifestyle was better?

 

[afr0byte]

To me it tastes sort of earthy when raw.. I can see why someone would think of it as a dirt flavor lol. Most people seem to object to the texture, which is also something that's effected a lot by how you cook if.

I guess I could see the earthy part, considering the gypsum that goes in to it. Chalky could come across as earthy I think. I eat it raw all the time, though, so I guess I'm used to it (It kind of grosses the wife out.).

 

[jonmohno]

Uh oh. This thread's getting long enough that the same jokes are showing up for the third time.

Anyone else wonder where the OP went? :fro:

Terrible comedians as well.

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

Painful. I couldn't bring myself to read everything, got to the point where someone asked what meat contributes over not meat. Call me crazy, but wasn't it something like discovering the ability to cook meat that helped contribute to the growth of the primitive hominid's brain, eventually separating homo sapiens from other primates? Sorry, I have nothing against veganism, I love animals too, but to try to say that humans weren't intended to eat cooked food or meat is one of the silliest things I've ever heard, every time I hear it.