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Great notion!
 
100% yes.

Such a change would certainly kill the Hill Farmstead thread, though.
I kill the Hill Farm, because I endeavor to kill the Hill Farm.

You guys better step off or I'm going to start busting out "drinking sublimely" (if I haven't already) for maximum pretentiousness.
Or just keeping talking about your beers' ******* ethos.
 
Sometimes I legitimately wonder if folks that really started diving into craft beer in the past year or so have had a straight up regular stout without flavors added. I think you'd truly have to seek one out at this point. Last night at a bottle share a buddy of mine was talking about the Assassin release over at TG and numerous folks weren't that impressed by Assassin he said. Now that's a barrel aged stout, but there are no additional flavors added. I truly think flavored stouts are the stout baseline for a lot of folks at this point. I'm not really sure it's their fault either. I don't really have a larger point. Just one of those random thoughts floating around in my head. Carry on.
 
Sometimes I legitimately wonder if folks that really started diving into craft beer in the past year or so have had a straight up regular stout without flavors added. I think you'd truly have to seek one out at this point. Last night at a bottle share a buddy of mine was talking about the Assassin release over at TG and numerous folks weren't that impressed by Assassin he said. Now that's a barrel aged stout, but there are no additional flavors added. I truly think flavored stouts are the stout baseline for a lot of folks at this point. I'm not really sure it's their fault either. I don't really have a larger point. Just one of those random thoughts floating around in my head. Carry on.
It goes well beyond just the past year or 2 but I get what you are saying. With market saturation, it takes something different for a beer/brewery to get noticed. The concept of making beers that taste less like "beer" and more like other things we enjoy has been around for awhile but maybe just becoming more popular now as new breweries gotta do something crazy to get noticed. The haze craze is a real thing right now. Sours/wilds was before that...imperializing everything was before that and so on and so on.

8 years ago, I only knew of a single beer made with something as ludacris as peanut butter. Today, we dont even bat an eyelash at it because its old news.

Couple years ago I witnessed a very similar thing as you described. Some folks just getting into beer were asking me about my favorite easily acquired beers that they can go out and buy/try right now. I told them about Brooklyn black chocolate stout (it was like $28 a case at that time and I almost always had at least a sixpack in the fridge.) I shared some with them and they all disliked it because there wasnt enough chocolate in it. They couldnt understand the concept of using "normal" beer ingredients to mimic other flavors. "Well, why dont they just use real chocolate?" I guess plenty of others felt the same way and now thats the more popular option.
 
Sometimes I legitimately wonder if folks that really started diving into craft beer in the past year or so have had a straight up regular stout without flavors added. I think you'd truly have to seek one out at this point. Last night at a bottle share a buddy of mine was talking about the Assassin release over at TG and numerous folks weren't that impressed by Assassin he said. Now that's a barrel aged stout, but there are no additional flavors added. I truly think flavored stouts are the stout baseline for a lot of folks at this point. I'm not really sure it's their fault either. I don't really have a larger point. Just one of those random thoughts floating around in my head. Carry on.
If Level 1 cicerones ever bought a sixer off the shelf rather than bombers they would have plenty of options to choose from, but they're too busy standing in line/putting their chairs/ for the latest chicken broth IPA that comes in a can.

Here's my take on the increase in adjuncts. Really good barrel aged stouts can taste like fudge, marshmallow, vanilla, etc. Someone figured out that, instead of worrying about trying to make a really good barrel aged stout, why not just add fudge, marshmallow, vanilla, etc., to easily get the flavors without needing a lot of skill and level 1 cicerones can drink the stout and say, "I can totally taste the vanilla in this stout that has vanilla added to it!".

Same with IPAs. Various hops can make IPAs taste juicy, fruity, etc., so someone decided, why not just add fruit to the IPAs (not to mention that fruit juice is cheaper than hops).
 
You're a much nicer, less-cynical person than I.

If Level 1 cicerones ever bought a sixer off the shelf rather than bombers they would have plenty of options to choose from, but they're too busy standing in line/putting their chairs/ for the latest chicken broth IPA that comes in a can.

Here's my take on the increase in adjuncts. Really good barrel aged stouts can taste like fudge, marshmallow, vanilla, etc. Someone figured out that, instead of worrying about trying to make a really good barrel aged stout, why not just add fudge, marshmallow, vanilla, etc., to easily get the flavors without needing a lot of skill and level 1 cicerones can drink the stout and say, "I can totally taste the vanilla in this stout that has vanilla added to it!".

Same with IPAs. Various hops can make IPAs taste juicy, fruity, etc., so someone decided, why not just add fruit to the IPAs (not to mention that fruit juice is cheaper than hops).
Maybe I was wrong about you. :p
 
If Level 1 cicerones ever bought a sixer off the shelf rather than bombers they would have plenty of options to choose from, but they're too busy standing in line/putting their chairs/ for the latest chicken broth IPA that comes in a can.

Here's my take on the increase in adjuncts. Really good barrel aged stouts can taste like fudge, marshmallow, vanilla, etc. Someone figured out that, instead of worrying about trying to make a really good barrel aged stout, why not just add fudge, marshmallow, vanilla, etc., to easily get the flavors without needing a lot of skill and level 1 cicerones can drink the stout and say, "I can totally taste the vanilla in this stout that has vanilla added to it!".

Same with IPAs. Various hops can make IPAs taste juicy, fruity, etc., so someone decided, why not just add fruit to the IPAs (not to mention that fruit juice is cheaper than hops).

Funky Buddha would like a word with you...
 
Sometimes I legitimately wonder if folks that really started diving into craft beer in the past year or so have had a straight up regular stout without flavors added. I think you'd truly have to seek one out at this point. Last night at a bottle share a buddy of mine was talking about the Assassin release over at TG and numerous folks weren't that impressed by Assassin he said. Now that's a barrel aged stout, but there are no additional flavors added. I truly think flavored stouts are the stout baseline for a lot of folks at this point. I'm not really sure it's their fault either. I don't really have a larger point. Just one of those random thoughts floating around in my head. Carry on.
I've only had Assassin once, but it was legitimately bad. Like drainpour bad. So I'm not sure that's the best example, unless it's gotten better. This happened to me with MD too, one bottle I actually did pour out my pour of it, it was so bad. The draft was great. There's plenty of reason not to trade for those, but that's another for me.
Oh if we're gonna do this list I demand that, "drinking ________ly" be added. Every time I see a post or hear, "yeah man, this 2013 Arthur is drinking beautifully" it makes my skin crawl.
That one bothers me mostly because the beer isn't drinking. Why can't people just say "This tastes ____?" That has the upside of being coherent and not making you sound like a pretentious moron.
 
Sometimes I legitimately wonder if folks that really started diving into craft beer in the past year or so have had a straight up regular stout without flavors added. I think you'd truly have to seek one out at this point. Last night at a bottle share a buddy of mine was talking about the Assassin release over at TG and numerous folks weren't that impressed by Assassin he said. Now that's a barrel aged stout, but there are no additional flavors added. I truly think flavored stouts are the stout baseline for a lot of folks at this point. I'm not really sure it's their fault either. I don't really have a larger point. Just one of those random thoughts floating around in my head. Carry on.

it would seem the number probably shrinks with each passing day

there's far less respect for people exploring and trying baseline beers.

random joe at the store browsing the "import" section and considering, say, a Guinness gets accosted by a beer nerd who threatens his livelihood for even considering such a "****" beer. so random joe wanders over to the "micro" section and grabs something with lots of words on the bottle that looks "crafty".

people, like us, who are a niche in the wider beer drinking community are the ones setting the tone for what less..... driven?.... drinkers are going to seek out.

we are to beer what the guy designing this kind of ******** is to fashion........................ roughly

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you go to a fashion show wearing carpenter jeans, some 15 year old Doc Martens, a Packers jersey and some sunglasses on the back of your neck asking questions about fabrics and stitching, you're going to get savaged and then someone is going to suggest you buy an $11,000 sewing machine and 30 yards of rare material sourced from a bat cave in Madagascar.


i don't read/hear people recommending to "friends that aren't in to craft beer" that they try Leinie's Red, or Spotted Cow, or whatever as an intro. instead i read/hear "i saw this ******* newb new money loser at Binny's browsing Modelo, so i spit on his shoes, smacked his iPhone from his hand and claimed a victory for the CCBE. Respect beer!"
 
it would seem the number probably shrinks with each passing day

there's far less respect for people exploring and trying baseline beers.

random joe at the store browsing the "import" section and considering, say, a Guinness gets accosted by a beer nerd who threatens his livelihood for even considering such a "****" beer. so random joe wanders over to the "micro" section and grabs something with lots of words on the bottle that looks "crafty".

people, like us, who are a niche in the wider beer drinking community are the ones setting the tone for what less..... driven?.... drinkers are going to seek out.

we are to beer what the guy designing this kind of ******** is to fashion........................ roughly

ktz-fall-2011-runway.jpg


you go to a fashion show wearing carpenter jeans, some 15 year old Doc Martens, a Packers jersey and some sunglasses on the back of your neck asking questions about fabrics and stitching, you're going to get savaged and then someone is going to suggest you buy an $11,000 sewing machine and 30 yards of rare material sourced from a bat cave in Madagascar.


i don't read/hear people recommending to "friends that aren't in to craft beer" that they try Leinie's Red, or Spotted Cow, or whatever as an intro. instead i read/hear "i saw this ******* newb new money loser at Binny's browsing Modelo, so i spit on his shoes, smacked his iPhone from his hand and claimed a victory for the CCBE. Respect beer!"

I want to rub beards with you.


And I dont mean going out and taking turns randomly touching strangers but more in a sword fight kinda way.
 
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