Random Beer Thoughts

[BadJustin]

Forgot about the homie autocorrect. I typed the real word too. I legit lol'd.


I also substituted homie for homie in my regular vernacular. Only I get it. I laugh, every. Time.

 

[Steve2]

While some of the parameters may sound similar, the chasm between the two protagonists in this case and that one couldn't be wider.

I generally don't want anything to do with these kinds of projects but I'm considering this one, not sure I can plunk down the cash at the moment though. I am 100% confident that wiltznucs is going to run it in basically the complete opposite way to the OGs Society.

Just bought my membership for what it's worth. wiltznucs is a guy I've gone to a lot of bottle shares, releases, etc. with down here in Florida. He's a really stand up guy, and makes some outstanding mead. He's also been extremely perceptive to feedback so long as I've known him, including negative.

I'm definitely biased because Chad's a friend, full disclosure.

 

[jupiter6xx]

Just saw Anchorage is releasing a new batch of Rondy Brew. Never tried it, always wanted to (can't get enough of dat Alaskan funk) Come on Shelton Brooooos help me out & stop just filling our shelves with garbage Mikkeller.

 

[boogercrack]

John will be the first to admit it too.


To be sure there's some obvious similarities in the layout of the campaign. With that in mind, that's where the similarities end.

a.) He could participate in the hotly anticipated AMA on here and be the first to admit it .
b.) It's a transposition of the acronym! Is that a play on the "opposite of the OG" thing?

 

[BadJustin]

you must have touched a nerve. do tell

Eh wasn't no big thing. Dude wanted to trade a Flora Plum for Tree House Cans $4$, except he really didn't mean that when it came time to deal. Focker kept sending me screen shots of multiple, redonk unclosed trades on rando FB gruops citing "this is what Flora Plum is teating for". I politely informed him that those trades were a) unreasonable and b) not closed. He kept telling me he wanted 10-12 cans, again i told him, not $4$ and if that;s what he wanted then no thanks and GL with his trade. That was that.


Then the beer kicked in a couple hours later and I decided to troll the **** out of him in the group and he kept reposting his offer. He didn't like it. ******* homie.

 

[boogercrack]

Also, it appears as if I may be a unicorn in having had posted in the "shittiest deal on beer advocate" thread on here and not gotten an insta-ban on BA.

They keep unsuspending me and I don't know why.

 

[furley]

motherfuck. had something typed up and somehow managed to delete it.

anyways.

WIKIPEDIA SPEAKS:

Trójniak — a Polish mead, made using two units of water for each unit of honey

• Acerglyn: A mead made with honey and maple syrup.
• Balche: A native Mexican version of mead.
• Bilbemel: A mead made with blueberries, blueberry juice, or sometimes used for a varietal mead that uses blueberry blossom honey.
• Black mead: A name sometimes given to the blend of honey and blackcurrants.
• Bochet: A mead where the honey is caramelized or burned separately before adding the water. Yields toffee, caramel, chocolate and toasted marshmallow flavors.
• Bochetomel: A Bochet style mead that also contains fruit such as elderberries, black raspberries and blackberries.
• Braggot: Also called bracket or brackett. Originally brewed with honey and hops, later with honey and malt—with or without hops added. Welsh origin (bragawd).
• Capsicumel: A mead flavored with chile peppers, the peppers may be hot or mild.
• Chouchenn: A kind of mead made in Brittany.
• Cyser: A blend of honey and apple juice fermented together; see also cider.
• Czwórniak (TSG): A Polish mead, made using three units of water for each unit of honey.
• Dandaghare: A mead from Nepal, combines honey with Himalayan herbs and spices. It has been produced since 1972 in the city of Pokhara.
• Dwójniak (TSG): A Polish mead, made using equal amounts of water and honey.
• Great mead: Any mead that is intended to be aged several years. The designation is meant to distinguish this type of mead from "short mead" (see below).
• Gverc or Medovina: Croatian mead prepared in Samobor and many other places. The word "gverc" or "gvirc' is from the German "Gewürze" and refers to various spices added to mead.
• Hydromel: Name derived from the Greek ὑδρόμελι hydromeli, i.e. literally "water-honey" (see also μελίκρατον melikraton and ὑδρόμηλον hydromelon). It is also the French name for mead hydromel. (See also and compare with the Catalan hidromel and aiguamel, Galician aiguamel, Portuguese hidromel, Italianidromele and Spanish hidromiel and aguamiel). It is also used as a name for a light or low-alcohol mead.
• Medica: Slovenian, Croatian, variety of mead.
• Medovina: Czech, Croatian, Serbian, Montenegrin, Bulgarian, Bosnian and Slovak for mead. Commercially available in the Czech Republic, Slovakia and presumably other Central and Eastern-European countries.
• Medovukha: Eastern Slavic variant (honey-based fermented drink).[43]
• Melomel: Melomel is made from honey and any fruit. Depending on the fruit base used, certain melomels may also be known by more specific names (see cyser, pyment, and morat for examples). Possibly from the Greek μηλόμελι melomeli, literally "apple-honey" or "treefruit-honey" (see also μελίμηλονmelimelon).
• Metheglin: Metheglin is traditional mead with herbs or spices added. Some of the most common metheglins are ginger, tea, orange peel, nutmeg,coriander, cinnamon, cloves or vanilla. Its name indicates that many metheglins were originally employed as folk medicines. The Welsh word for mead ismedd, and the word "metheglin" derives from meddyglyn, a compound of meddyg, "healing" + llyn, "liquor".
• Midus: Lithuanian for mead, made of natural bee honey and berry juice. Infused with carnation blossoms, acorns, poplar buds, juniper berries and other herbs, it is often made as a mead distillate or mead nectar, some of the varieties having as much as 75% of alcohol.[citation needed]

etc. etc. etc.

 

[wiltznucs]

a.) He could participate in the hotly anticipated AMA on here and be the first to admit it .
b.) It's a transposition of the acronym! Is that a play on the "opposite of the OG" thing?

I honestly didn't notice that Garagiste Owners was similar to the OG thing until someone pointed it out. Lol... The horse was out of the barn by that point.

A lot of people ask about the name Garagiste. The "Garagistes" were a group of wine makers in France a decade or two ago. At the time most of the vineyards had been bought out by estates and corporate wineries thus leaving very little opportunity for the little guy.

As the story goes these aspiring wine makers would slip into the vineyards under the cover of night and steal grapes. They would then quite literally make wine in their garage. Some of these guys became sensations and their bottles sold for thousands of dollars.

As an insult the wine establishment coined the name "Garagiste" to describe the guys who make wine in their garage under the cover of night. It seemed awfully similar to how we got our start and thus we adopted the name.

 

[BadJustin]

BA Abraxas this weekend, STL about to get all rapey and ISO's cometh.


Prepare thy anooooos.

 

[jivex5k1]

Best of luck dude, but I don't see how this isn't exactly the same thing Wakefield did.

 

[boogercrack]

Best of luck dude, but I don't see how this isn't exactly the same thing Wakefield did.

if this guy doesn't turn into a raging shitlord it's not exactly the same thing at all.

 

[jivex5k1]

if this guy doesn't turn into a raging shitlord it's not exactly the same thing at all.

Well he said himself "John's a good guy", which essentially is what everyone is saying as proof this won't turn out the same. I'm just a cynical prick though.

 

[JulianB1]

Best of luck dude, but I don't see how this isn't exactly the same thing Wakefield did.

Here's one huge difference even ignoring all the lack of communication, broken promises, general douchbaggery etc. stuff on the Wakefield side of things. Even if wiltznucs -only- delivered the minimum aka the promised 6 bottles (ala JWB), 6 bottles of high-quality mead for $300 is a much better value than 6 bottles of kettle-soured berliners and various barrel-aged beers for $300.

I've seen some of Chad's stuff on MeadBook and read the reviews from people whose opinions on mead I take seriously (haven't had a chance to try any yet unfortunately), and if those bottles were for sale at a commercial meadery I'd expect some of them to be in the $50+ or even $100+ range.

 

[wiltznucs]

Well he said himself "John's a good guy", which essentially is what everyone is saying as proof this won't turn out the same. I'm just a cynical prick though.

Well, I really thought I'd make it more than 24 hours before getting my first hater but so be it.

I'll stand by my statement that John is a good guy. Also, please post where I stated it for everyone to see. He's also a fine father and a very good Brewer. This doesn't make him an excellent communicator or planner. Alas, we all have our faults.

I really can't wrap my head around why you would lead such a tirade but I think this is more about you than it is me.

Nevertheless, I do take such issues seriously. If the revelation that I know John and find him to be quite human offends any of you please contact me and I will see to it that your contribution is refunded immediately.

The fact is if you would condemn us without so much as trying our product or meeting us in person I'd really rather not have you anyway.

Cheers!

 

[steimie]

Well, I really thought I'd make it more than 24 hours before getting my first hater but so be it.

I'll stand by my statement that John is a good guy. Also, please post where I stated it for everyone to see. He's also a fine father and a very good Brewer. This doesn't make him an excellent communicator or planner. Alas, we all have our faults.

I really can't wrap my head around why you would lead such a tirade but I think this is more about you than it is me.

Nevertheless, I do take such issues seriously. If the revelation that I know John and find him to be quite human offends any of you please contact me and I will see to it that your contribution is refunded immediately.

The fact is if you would condemn us without so much as trying our product or meeting us in person I'd really rather not have you anyway.

Cheers!

Yeah, but you're forgetting that this is the Internet. People get to, like, say whatever they want.

 

[jivex5k1]

Well, I really thought I'd make it more than 24 hours before getting my first hater but so be it.

I'll stand by my statement that John is a good guy. Also, please post where I stated it for everyone to see. He's also a fine father and a very good Brewer. This doesn't make him an excellent communicator or planner. Alas, we all have our faults.

I really can't wrap my head around why you would lead such a tirade but I think this is more about you than it is me.

Nevertheless, I do take such issues seriously. If the revelation that I know John and find him to be quite human offends any of you please contact me and I will see to it that your contribution is refunded immediately.

The fact is if you would condemn us without so much as trying our product or meeting us in person I'd really rather not have you anyway.

Cheers!

I'm just grumpy.

 

[mateoloco]

When ever I pronounce cacao in my head or out loud I think of this:

 

[JulianB1]

BA Abraxas this weekend, STL about to get all rapey and ISO's cometh.


Prepare thy anooooos.

Already seen someone offering Snowed In + Morning Wood, which seems quite generous but I bet it

(a) doesn't get done
(b) sets the floor for all the shitlords so they can ask for more

 

[ccbstl]

BA Abraxas this weekend, STL about to get all rapey and ISO's cometh.


Prepare thy anooooos.

From what I've heard this weekend it's only bottles for Societe members, 1pp. The wider release and ensuing shitlordery will come later when some people get their second bottle.

 

[trickytunadicky]

Here's one huge difference even ignoring all the lack of communication, broken promises, general douchbaggery etc. stuff on the Wakefield side of things. Even if wiltznucs -only- delivered the minimum aka the promised 6 bottles (ala JWB), 6 bottles of high-quality mead for $300 is a much better value than 6 bottles of kettle-soured berliners and various barrel-aged beers for $300.

I've seen some of Chad's stuff on MeadBook and read the reviews from people whose opinions on mead I take seriously (haven't had a chance to try any yet unfortunately), and if those bottles were for sale at a commercial meadery I'd expect some of them to be in the $50+ or even $100+ range.

You have too had some Garagiste. There was at least one bottle present at Meadapalooza.

 

[trickytunadicky]

Having had transactions with both wiltznucs amd JWB, wiltznucs has sent me stuff repeatedly in the amount of time it took JWB to deliver one glass, and that was just some sample bottles. I have known him less than a year and all of our comversatioms have either been related to his starting a business or mead in general. He's made some great stuff and has exceptional quality standards. Unfortunately one bad Florida apple has spoiled it for the bunch. I have a lot of faith in wiltznucs.

 

[JulianB1]

You have too had some Garagiste. There was at least one bottle present at Meadapalooza.

Yup, you're right just looked it up. Enjoyed it too based on what I said about it and how I rated it. Probably slipped my mind in the drunken haze of that night. The only thing I remember well is our sloppy rendition of Champagne Supernova.

 

[CaptainFleeker]

I'm just grumpy.

Your way off on this one my friend. Knowing wiltznucs as long as I have, his operation could not be further from what JWB has created. Chad is a first rate guy and I'd encourage you to give him a chance. He's also making some of the best mead out there right now. I've got some of his meads and I'd offer to open some with you so you can see why his meads are getting the fanfare they are. To compare him to JWB and give him grief simply isn't fair.

 

[jivex5k1]

Your way off on this one my friend. Knowing wiltznucs as long as I have, his operation could not be further from what JWB has created. Chad is a first rate guy and I'd encourage you to give him a chance. He's also making some of the best mead out there right now. I've got some of his meads and I'd offer to open some with you so you can see why his meads are getting the fanfare they are. To compare him to JWB and give him grief simply isn't fair.

Well ****, fair enough.
Me right now:

 

[trickytunadicky]

Well ****, fair enough.
Me right now:

Don't feel bad for questioning it. I questioned speaking up. Of course I am going to sound biased, anyone who has tried his product will, and anyone who got burned by Wakefield has a right to be leery.

 

[JulianB1]

One additional thing I think that wiltznucs did well here is explain clearly on the page -why- he chose to take this funding route, and that more traditional methods of funding were examined. I'm still not sure I'm totally on board with the crowd-funding method of financing start-up breweries, but it's definitely comforting to hear about how other funding options were in fact considered. Rather than just jumping into Kickstarter, Indigogo, Crowdbrewed, etc. and throwing a page up. I've also become more wary of the investor method after seeing people I know forced out of breweries into which they put a huge amount of time and effort because in order to secure funding they had to sell a lot of control to other parties.

If nothing else, the pricing for Garagiste's reward levels shows some thought has been put into it. One typical red flag for me on these is when the funding/reward balance makes no sense. For instance, I saw one the other day that had some fairly reasonable (by crowdfunding standards) donation levels to start with: $5 for stickers, $15 for stickers + glass, $40 for stickers + glass + shirt, or something around that. Then it jumps to $100 and the only add-on from the $40 package is a hat?

 

[stupac2]

Can we stop talking about this? It's making me want to spend $300 on mead and I really shouldn't do that.

 

[trickytunadicky]

Can we stop talking about this? It's making me want to spend $300 on mead and I really shouldn't do that.

There's a $110 level of the Misbeehavin club instead.

 

[JulianB1]

There's a $110 level of the Misbeehavin club instead.

Damnit Patty, I didn't really need to know about this.

 

[stupac2]

There's a $110 level of the Misbeehavin club instead.

I have no idea what that is.

Also I'm already a member of Schramm's!