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Remember what "craft beer" was a bunch of well paid, relatively normal, decently dressed, somewhat Europhilic dudes swirling snifters with a pinky in the air, trying to equate beer with wine and such forth? Drink less, drink better, respect beer, etc.? When did it become candy bar stouts, sleeping on the sidewalk like it's the latest Final Fantasy release for the Playstation circa 1998, maladjusted gomers squealing at each other on the internet?

Not saying one is better than the other but it's interesting to watch the slide.
 
It's still like that in Europe! Charming, out-of-the-way bottleshops with friendly owners, hundreds of delicious bottles with only 1-2 checkins on BA, very local brews that nobody really knows about, all-day beer festivals for a few Euros, dozens of variations on traditional styles and Western-inspired fare alike, no lines, no beards, just good beer. I had such a great time exploring the local goods in the UK, Italy, and France.

Even in Belgium it wasn't too crazy.

Whereas over here, everyone's already rated and dissected every single beer a million times over and snottily compared it to their favorite limited release. It's kind of boring. I miss the discovery aspect.
 
It's still like that in Europe! Charming, out-of-the-way bottleshops with friendly owners, hundreds of delicious bottles with only 1-2 checkins on BA, very local brews that nobody really knows about, all-day beer festivals for a few Euros, dozens of variations on traditional styles and Western-inspired fare alike, no lines, no beards, just good beer. I had such a great time exploring the local goods in the UK, Italy, and France.

Even in Belgium it wasn't too crazy.

Whereas over here, everyone's already rated and dissected every single beer a million times over and snottily compared it to their favorite limited release. It's kind of boring. I miss the discovery aspect.
loled at "no beards"
 
It's still like that in Europe! Charming, out-of-the-way bottleshops with friendly owners, hundreds of delicious bottles with only 1-2 checkins on BA, very local brews that nobody really knows about, all-day beer festivals for a few Euros, dozens of variations on traditional styles and Western-inspired fare alike, no lines, no beards, just good beer. I had such a great time exploring the local goods in the UK, Italy, and France.

Even in Belgium it wasn't too crazy.

Whereas over here, everyone's already rated and dissected every single beer a million times over and snottily compared it to their favorite limited release. It's kind of boring. I miss the discovery aspect.
You sound like a dude in a peacoat circa 2004 with a glass of Chimay.
 
Was thinking about the latest Rare raziness and the beer pricing and availability itself really isn't that different than some Brewdog abomination or Utopias or Triple Bock or MMM but the controversy is worse for some reason.

Also, rather than cheapen BCBS like people were saying after the AB InBev buyout, they use decided to just make a **** ton more and charge up the ass for it.
 
Well I do have a peacoat. And I do like my Chimay.

srs though it was fun to be in a place where craft beer wasn't really a Big Thing yet.
I hate to be that guy but I really got into beer around 2004, drinking whatever I could while working at an upscale liquor store. It was fun but definitely...limited. Like being an adult comic book collector. Not much beer around and socially not that common. Especially in your early 20s.

Honestly, today is better, at least in the US. We didn't even have a decent packaged local IPA until Surly came up.
 
Remember what "craft beer" was a bunch of well paid, relatively normal, decently dressed, somewhat Europhilic dudes swirling snifters with a pinky in the air, trying to equate beer with wine and such forth? Drink less, drink better, respect beer, etc.? When did it become candy bar stouts, sleeping on the sidewalk like it's the latest Final Fantasy release for the Playstation circa 1998, maladjusted gomers squealing at each other on the internet?

Not saying one is better than the other but it's interesting to watch the slide.

If you were around in 2004, your experience has been different than mine. I don't remember "well paid, relatively normal, decently dressed" people at that time.

At the 2nd FOBAB, I was confused why in a crowd of 50 people there were 9 hunchbacks. Like, that was a disproportionate number of hunchbacks. Far too many. Far. Too. Many. It took me like 5 years before I decided to try another beer fest...

Anyway. **** #newmoney.
 
Between getting a bit worn out on haze-fest IPAs that taste like orange juice and the usual malt bomb southeast stuff, all I want is a steady supply of fresh IPAs that are low in malt character, clean, and bitter. Pliny or Abrasive would be ideal but I'd settle for Wicked Weed Freak of Nature, especially in tallboy cans.
 
If you were around in 2004, your experience has been different than mine. I don't remember "well paid, relatively normal, decently dressed" people at that time.

At the 2nd FOBAB, I was confused why in a crowd of 50 people there were 9 hunchbacks. Like, that was a disproportionate number of hunchbacks. Far too many. Far. Too. Many. It took me like 5 years before I decided to try another beer fest...

Anyway. **** #newmoney.
Maybe it was the store I worked at. Older dudes with decent money. But still, beer was more of a wannabe connoisseur thing and less of a drunken milkshake party until a couple years ago. Also loled at the hunchback remark.
 
Well I do have a peacoat. And I do like my Chimay.

srs though it was fun to be in a place where craft beer wasn't really a Big Thing yet.

Aus and NZ don't do crazy lines or anything for beer releases. Aus especially doesn't have many IPAs worth chasing down and only a handful of BA stuff (changing slowly) but there are still heaps of interesting and decent beers to be found with relative ease.

NZ is just throwing down delicious hop forward beers without giving a ****.
 
Aus and NZ don't do crazy lines or anything for beer releases. Aus especially doesn't have many IPAs worth chasing down and only a handful of BA stuff (changing slowly) but there are still heaps of interesting and decent beers to be found with relative ease.

NZ is just throwing down delicious hop forward beers without giving a ****.
What are some good NZ breweries and beers? My father in law is from NZ and the inlaws go back every other year. Just something to talk about tomorrow when I see him.
 
Between getting a bit worn out on haze-fest IPAs that taste like orange juice and the usual malt bomb southeast stuff, all I want is a steady supply of fresh IPAs that are low in malt character, clean, and bitter. Pliny or Abrasive would be ideal but I'd settle for Wicked Weed Freak of Nature, especially in tallboy cans.
You get Hop Drop? Or is that too malty? Also really want to try that Freak.
 
Remember what "craft beer" was a bunch of well paid, relatively normal, decently dressed, somewhat Europhilic dudes swirling snifters with a pinky in the air, trying to equate beer with wine and such forth? Drink less, drink better, respect beer, etc.? When did it become candy bar stouts, sleeping on the sidewalk like it's the latest Final Fantasy release for the Playstation circa 1998, maladjusted gomers squealing at each other on the internet?

Not saying one is better than the other but it's interesting to watch the slide.
I miss being into beer when it was normal.

I currently ******* hate ' beer'.
 
I miss being into beer when it was normal.

I currently ******* hate ' beer'.
I love it. Even the parts I hate are hilarious. I can drink all the awesome beer I can buy, hell I can't even keep up between shelf, releases, and trading. Today I passed on TG Pompeii because I have fridge full of Tree House that isn't getting any fresher...good local stouts and new saisons and sours are everywhere...it's too much fun.
 
I love it. Even the parts I hate are hilarious. I can drink all the awesome beer I can buy, hell I can't even keep up between shelf, releases, and trading. Today I passed on TG Pompeii because I have fridge full of Tree House that isn't getting any fresher...good local stouts and new saisons and sours are everywhere...it's too much fun.
Send the Pompeii to me!
 
So complaining about hazy, tropical fruit-filled, delicious IPA's is a thing now?

We've come full circle, folks. Time to drink SN Torpedos and call it a day.

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Welcome home, brothers.
 
Between getting a bit worn out on haze-fest IPAs that taste like orange juice and the usual malt bomb southeast stuff, all I want is a steady supply of fresh IPAs that are low in malt character, clean, and bitter. Pliny or Abrasive would be ideal but I'd settle for Wicked Weed Freak of Nature, especially in tallboy cans.

Oh yeah, I hate that too - definitely no one should send me any Julius. I hate it!




:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Also, sour beers that taste like jam and heavy beers that taste like bourbon.

I guess nobody actually likes the taste of beer?

It's still like that in Europe! Charming, out-of-the-way bottleshops with friendly owners, hundreds of delicious bottles with only 1-2 checkins on BA, very local brews that nobody really knows about, all-day beer festivals for a few Euros, dozens of variations on traditional styles and Western-inspired fare alike, no lines, no beards, just good beer. I had such a great time exploring the local goods in the UK, Italy, and France.

Even in Belgium it wasn't too crazy.

Whereas over here, everyone's already rated and dissected every single beer a million times over and snottily compared it to their favorite limited release. It's kind of boring. I miss the discovery aspect.

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