Prohibition

[abracadabra]

Now the we have the legal right to brew our own beer and make our own wine I feel like we have an obligation as a community to help repeal the prohibition against distillation of alcohol.

For 2 reason:

1st and formost is if the Govt. is truly concerned about our dependance on foreign oil we should be allowed to make our own fuel or fuel additive to help reduce that dependance. This activity should not be limited to politically well connected companies like ADM and Con Agra. We pay taxes, they collect subsidies and contribute to political campaigns to recieve favorable legislation.

The 2nd reason is not everyone can handle beer or wine because of allergies or other sensativities if they wish to partake of alcohol the must purchase it from the liquor industry. I believe they should have the right to make it themselves is they so desire. And a Govt prohibition of that is an infringement on that right.

I hope this doesn't get locked as being too political. Because I believe the internet and forums such as this is the worlds last best hope for freedom. And if we are not going to be allowed to discuss it here does anyone know where such a discussion could take place?

I'm I alone in this thought or are there other out there who think that prohibition except to politically well connected companies is wrong and the law needs to be changed?

 

[Desert_Sky]

/signed

 

[Orfy]

I think it should be allowed but I would NEVER do it whilst it was illegal.

 

[Cheesefood]

Things that make you go BOOM.

Legalize homegrowing before homestilling.

 

[Copperhed]

"Ingest the Best,
Into the Vehicles go the Rest."

-Grampy

Copper

 

[Desert_Sky]

Legalize homegrowing before homestilling.

/signed

 

[abracadabra]

I think it should be allowed but I would NEVER do it whilst it was illegal.

I did not know it was illegal in the UK as well.

And No I would never encourage anyone to break the law no matter how unfair or wrongheaded that law may be.

But in this country the political class will only move if the think they'll lose their cussy job over some issue.

 

[ayrton]

Things that make you go BOOM.

Legalize homegrowing before homestilling.

Seconded.

<i hate character limits>

 

[abracadabra]

Things that make you go BOOM.

Legalize homegrowing before homestilling.

I understand where you are coming from.

But unfortunately there are way too many people in the USA that think they are somehow morally superior because their drug of choice is alcohol which happens to be legal.

1 stupid, unconstitutional law at a time.

 

[Cheesefood]

I would love to submit a petition of something like...

"I, the undersigned, while in complete respect of the Bill of Rights and the spirit and interpretations embedded into the Ammendments, do hereby petition the U.S. Government to be allowed to trade in my right to bear arms for the right to legally grow, possess, and ingest any substance that can be grown, harvested and used (without significant alteration) in the privacy of my own home and/or designated useage areas. Much like the current laws regarding guns, I promise not to carry or use the substance in public places without a permit and wherenot allowed by laws, not to sell or trade on any underground "black" markets, and not to permit or allow minors access to said plant materials."

 

[Copperhed]

Well, hell....
We ALL know Mary Jane leads to LSD.
We suffer much for the lame info put out in the 60-70's.

Iffen it grows/fermented in the privacy of your own dang home. Let it be. And gov't should pisssssssst off.

Copper

 

[olllllo]

Just asking the question...

Distilling is illegal now, but what barriers will be lifted for you- or what opportunities will arise for you that you do no already have?

I suspect that you know how to do this (at least in principle), books and instruction are readily and legally available and there is not one lick of equipment that you cannot obtain legally. I know of no crack-down on the "hobby".

If you're spoiling for a fight with government, how about helping our Brothers in Brew in places such as Utah, West Virginia, ect where state law prohibits brewing beer or severly restricts it.

Need I bring up dry counties, monopolistic liquor distribution and places where you have to spend $100,000 to buy an existing business just for the expressed intent of taking over their liqour licence because the local government restricts availability?

 

[Todd]

Just asking the question...

Distilling is illegal now, but what barriers will be lifted for you- or what opportunities will arise for you that you do no already have?

I suspect that you know how to do this (at least in principle), books and instruction are readily and legally available and there is not one lick of equipment that you cannot obtain legally. I know of no crack-down on the "hobby".

If you're spoiling for a fight with government, how about helping our Brothers in Brew in places such as Utah, West Virginia, ect where state law prohibits brewing beer or severly restricts it.

Need I bring up dry counties, monopolistic liquor distribution and places where you have to spend $100,000 to buy an existing business just for the expressed intent of taking over their liqour licence because the local government restricts availability?

this is the case where I live. The state no longer issues the liscense they are already in circulation, you have to pray for another business to go under so you can buy theirs. I also grew up in a dry town.

 

[ayrton]

this is the case where I live. The state no longer issues the liscense they are already in circulation, you have to pray for another business to go under so you can buy theirs. I also grew up in a dry town.

At least homebrewing is legal here. 200 gallons a year! Woo!

 

[onecolumbyte]

While I WHOLEHEARTEDLY endorse your view that the government should just butt out and rescind restriction on personal recreation prarmatically it won't happen. According to thischart the federal government collected $5 billion in alcohol taxes in 2004. That's never going away. In fact I suspect that as tobacco use continues to decline the "vice taxes" will be shifted to alcohol. Additionaly I would be concerned about the safety distillation. The flash point of alcohol is dangerously close to the vaporization temperature. I certainly wouln't admonish anyone to "relax and have some home whiskey" while distilling. I've heard that jacking (distillation by freezing) is WAY safer although quite a bit less efficient (lower proof).
If you're objecting on a philisophical basis that may be the end of the discussion. If you're looking to expand your hobby I've been quite successfull at making liquers at home. Here in the CA valley we've got wonderful fruit and I've got some incredible peach wiskey sitting at home in the cupboard.

 

[Cheesefood]

I agree with the no Still law. Volatility wise, it's not much different than a meth lab. The last thing we need is people blowing up buildings trying to cook up bathtub gin.

(Yes, I know we're all in this together and we love to take a bath.)

 

[Pumbaa]

While I WHOLEHEARTEDLY endorse your view that the government should just butt out and rescind restriction on personal recreation prarmatically it won't happen. According to thischart the federal government collected $5 billion in alcohol taxes in 2004. That's never going away. In fact I suspect that as tobacco use continues to decline the "vice taxes" will be shifted to alcohol.

I'm more then ready for another "Tea Party"

As for the "No Still crowd", stupid people will do stupid things and die in stupid ways, no matter what you do . . . so why stick it in my arse?

The "Nanny State" must end . . . and if I didnt know better and didnt want to turn thread non political into something frowned upon I would say something like . . .

Grab yo guns Boys, It's time for a road trip!

 

[abracadabra]

Just asking the question...

If you're spoiling for a fight with government, how about helping our Brothers in Brew in places such as Utah, West Virginia, ect where state law prohibits brewing beer or severly restricts it.

Need I bring up dry counties, monopolistic liquor distribution and places where you have to spend $100,000 to buy an existing business just for the expressed intent of taking over their liqour licence because the local government restricts availability?

I for one am not spoiling for a fight with the Government.

But I believe that I have a right as a citizen to petition my government for the repeal of a law I believe is unfair, wronghead and possibly uncontitutional. If enough people do the same the law will be changed. If not it won't be and I am willing to live with that.

It seems to me the situation has changed and if the Admin. branch of the Govt or member of congress is sincere about energy independance repeal of this law makes good sense .

I don't believe I have a right to address any state law or county ordinance in which I do not live. I also believe that the good people in said state or county should vote either in the polling place or with their feet and leave if they find their situation intolerable.

Is this thread locked yet?

As for the liquor distribution question I think the repeal of distillation prohibition would solve that problem in short order.

 

[Pumbaa]

If you're spoiling for a fight with government, how about helping our Brothers in Brew in places such as Utah, West Virginia, ect where state law prohibits brewing beer or severly restricts it.

Need I bring up dry counties, monopolistic liquor distribution and places where you have to spend $100,000 to buy an existing business just for the expressed intent of taking over their liqour licence because the local government restricts availability?

I would put that burden on those who live in those areas. My current beef isnt with my state or local governments (in this case at least) but it is with an over reaching federal government that loves to wipe it's ass with the 9th and 10th amendments

I'll stop now

 

[abracadabra]

$5 billion in alcohol taxes in 2004. That's never going away. In fact I suspect that as tobacco use continues to decline the "vice taxes" will be shifted to alcohol. Additionaly I would be concerned about the safety distillation. The flash point of alcohol is dangerously close to the vaporization temperature. .

Man
You certainly make a good point. I never really considered it from that angle.

the thought just came to me about it being illegal while I was posting about the benefits of distilling water vs using RO. And wondered if anyone else thought it was absurd that politically well connected ADM can do it but I can't.

I'm quite sure that any and almost every politician will glum on to any inherent danger to protect me from myself and keep ADM and ConAgra safely away from any competion.

One thing is for sure the law will never change if people don't act to make it change.

Judging from this thread I'd have to say there is not enough interest in changing the law for it to happen.

 

[zoebisch01]

I understand where you are coming from.

But unfortunately there are way too many people in the USA that think they are somehow morally superior because their drug of choice is alcohol which happens to be legal.

1 stupid, unconstitutional law at a time.

Actually the drug of choice in many cases are those deemed OK by the pharma-gods. Many of which are far more harmful and addictive than some of the aforementioned.

Remember. It is all about Power. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Cheesefood]

I'm more then ready for another "Tea Party"

As for the "No Still crowd", stupid people will do stupid things and die in stupid ways, no matter what you do . . . so why stick it in my arse?

The "Nanny State" must end . . . and if I didnt know better and didnt want to turn thread non political into something frowned upon I would say something like . . .

Grab yo guns Boys, It's time for a road trip!

Something tells me you're exactly one SWMBO away from either trying to violently overthrow the government or moving to Montana to sit in a candle-lit shack and write letters to the newspaper as to why we should overthrow the government.

 

[TxBrew]

I've wondered how growing marijuana and distillign alcohol can be prosecuted.

A crime is an act that causes harm to the public.

If you grow or distill something then use it in your own home without letting others and without selling it. What crime is being committed?

I understand the "crime" is that the Government passed a law that makes it so but in the true form of the def. there is no clear cut crime being committed. It's all speculation that you might sell it or distrbute it. That's all assumptions though, how can we be prosecuted on assumptions of possible intent? Just because the Government says so?

 

[zoebisch01]

I understand the "crime" is that the Government passed a law that makes it so but in the true form of the def. there is no clear cut crime being committed. It's all speculation that you might sell it or distrbute it. That's all assumptions though, how can we be prosecuted on assumptions of possible intent? Just because the Government says so?

Well that is kind of one of the scary thing (at least in my mind) these days. What really dictates who is right and who is wrong. I personally am for laws that protect individuals from doing harm to one another, but am against laws that turn individuals into choiceless, powerless people. If you are doing no harm to anyone else then I don't understand why society feels the need to create laws that protect us from ourselves. It is out of hand these days imo. If an individual has a problem and needs help this is a different matter and help should be available. But if the individual chooses one thing or another and it does no harm to others I say let them be.

 

[Pumbaa]

Something tells me you're exactly one SWMBO away from either trying to violently overthrow the government or moving to Montana to sit in a candle-lit shack and write letters to the newspaper as to why we should overthrow the government.

I dont like to write letters, dont read newspapers, and love electricity

 

[Buford]

I've wondered how growing marijuana and distillign alcohol can be prosecuted.

A crime is an act that causes harm to the public.

If you grow or distill something then use it in your own home without letting others and without selling it. What crime is being committed?

The "crime" is that the gov't isn't getting their cut. It's near impossible to tax something you can make for your own usage in your own home - they can't get money from it so they make it illegal. Now if you get caught with it you're REALLY rendering unto Caesar what Caesar thinks he's owed.

They tried it with alcohol across the board once, and we see how well that worked out.

 

[Cheesefood]

The "crime" is that the gov't isn't getting their cut. It's near impossible to tax something you can make for your own usage in your own home - they can't get money from it so they make it illegal. Now if you get caught with it you're REALLY rendering unto Caesar what Caesar thinks he's owed.

They tried it with alcohol across the board once, and we see how well that worked out.

Just as well as it has with drugs. Who here couldn't score some illegal drug in a few days? (If you can, let me know.)

 

[Pumbaa]

Just as well as it has with drugs. Who here couldn't score some illegal drug in a few days? (If you can, let me know.)

me . . . since my brother died I wouldnt know anyone to contact for them.

I've wondered how growing marijuana and distillign alcohol can be prosecuted.

I got a better one for ya, prostitution. How can it be illegal to sell something you give away for free?

 

[Bernie Brewer]

I would love to submit a petition of something like...

"I, the undersigned, while in complete respect of the Bill of Rights and the spirit and interpretations embedded into the Ammendments, do hereby petition the U.S. Government to be allowed to trade in my right to bear arms for the right to legally grow, possess, and ingest any substance that can be grown, harvested and used (without significant alteration) in the privacy of my own home and/or designated useage areas. Much like the current laws regarding guns, I promise not to carry or use the substance in public places without a permit and wherenot allowed by laws, not to sell or trade on any underground "black" markets, and not to permit or allow minors access to said plant materials."

Whoa, back up the truck. I've no problem with whatever you want to grow and smoke, hell I used to do that too back in the day, and I really do wish it would be legalized, but leave my guns out of it. You can't have them.

 

[olllllo]

I've heard your opinions about state and local laws, but really that was only a secondary point.

What is it that you can't do in the privacy of your home? What's stopping you?

I just am not swayed enough to be "obligated" to do anything.