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Question for everyone, how do you determine the time you keep your beer in primary fermentation and how long to keep bottle conditioning. It seems that smaller gravity beers are good after a couple weeks primary and a couple conditioning, but heavier ones seem to take a month or so primary and a few months conditioning.

Are there any guidelines for how long to let them sit?

Thanks guy!
 
As a general guideline, most of the American Ale styles that beginner homebrewers focus on should be in the primary for about 3-4 weeks total including the dryhop, if doing. Actual fermentation will likely finish in a week, but the extra time allows any residual off-flavors to clean up and help the beer to round out. You're also allowing the beer to become more clear the longer gravity has a chance to work for you.

Bottle priming takes an additional 2 to 2.5 weeks or so on average.
 
you will get mixed feeling here about the subject, my IPA and APA recipes hit their sweet spot IMO after 3 weeks (1 wk ferment, 1 week dryhop in keg and 1 wk in kegerator) enjoy.. My brown ale needs more time. 2-3 weeks in primary cold crash and 1-2 more weeks in keg at room temp then another week in kegerator. when I bottled 1 week in primary 1 week dryhop, bottle and start tasting after 2 weeks. find what works for you and your taste with your recipes.
 
I usually go 3 weeks primary, then another 2-3 weeks bottle conditioning. I try not to brew by the calendar, but I've noticed that generally my brews are done fermenting after about 2 weeks..I give it 1 more week to clear up and let everything settle out nicely. After about 2 weeks I take a gravity sample, then a couple days later I take another to make sure it hits a stable FG. If I dry hop, I usually do that during the 3rd week before bottling.

Some batches are fully carbonated at 2 weeks, while others take 3+ weeks. Temperature is a big factor here as well..if you're conditioning in a room that is in the mid 60's, it will probably take longer to reach full carbonation. If it were closer to 70F it would probably be carbed sooner.
 
http://bjcp.org/faults.php

About five of the most reported beer faults could be due to not giving the beer enough time in the primary and/or insufficient conditioning.

I agree with the 3-4 week time frame. Maybe you could get by with 2 solid weeks if you're brewing a very basic low abv ale and not dry hopping.
 
Best way to determine if primary fermentation is done would be to take a gravity reading over a couple of days to be sure it doesn't change. As far as secondary fermentation you can't go wrong with at least 2 - 4 weeks. Some styles don't really require a secondary but you could do it anyways to improve clarity and condition the beer more prior to bottling or kegging.

Question for everyone, how do you determine the time you keep your beer in primary fermentation and how long to keep bottle conditioning. It seems that smaller gravity beers are good after a couple weeks primary and a couple conditioning, but heavier ones seem to take a month or so primary and a few months conditioning.

Are there any guidelines for how long to let them sit?

Thanks guy!
 
When we talk about off flavors like Acetaldehyde and Diacetyl it's not like the yeast are taking weeks to sort those compounds out. The yeast will take maybe a couple days at the end of fermentation to convert and absorb those compounds, but you don't need to give it weeks because once the beer drops clear, the yeast are pretty much done. The only rounding out of flavors at that point is best done at colder temps so that any other particulates will settle out. Some of the other off flavors that age might help you would do best to not create in the first place and the aging of those flavors/aromas isn't gonna drop off in a couple extra weeks - more like months. There are tons of brewers making incredible beer from grain to glass in 2 weeks.
 
Best way to determine if primary fermentation is done would be to take a gravity reading over a couple of days to be sure it doesn't change.

Yes, taking multiple gravity readings until it levels out will tell you when primary fermentation is done. However, it will not let you know when the beer is actually done. Bottling at the precise moment gravity readings level out is not a wise choice for the best quality beer. You will likely have a better beer if you let it sit for a few weeks before bottling. Test this if you wish. The dense layer of C02 atop the beer will protect it so there is no real worry of oxygenation.

As far as secondary fermentation you can't go wrong with at least 2 - 4 weeks. Some styles don't really require a secondary but you could do it anyways to improve clarity and condition the beer more prior to bottling or kegging.

Most styles do not require being racked to a secondary vessel; and even less require secondary fermentation. As a beginner, you will very likely do more harm than good by racking to secondary. Besides, that time frame is typically 1-2 weeks for ales, not 2-4.

The yeast will take maybe a couple days at the end of fermentation to convert and absorb those compounds, but you don't need to give it weeks because once the beer drops clear, the yeast are pretty much done. The only rounding out of flavors at that point is best done at colder temps so that any other particulates will settle out.

The sedimentation and clean-up phase is the final step of the fermentation process where the yeast cells have eaten the majority of the fermentable sugars in the wort, now the yeast cells start consuming let over flavor precursors that will produce off flavors in your beer. It's during this phase that the yeast cells prepare to go dormant by storing up energy reserves for their deep sleep and then dropping out of suspension and settling at the bottom of the fermentor. They are not yet dormant. They are still cleaning up the beer and consuming precursors. The time this takes to fully complete is up for debate. No hard proof on either side.

Last year, I brewed one of my house IIPAs and the bottling date fell in line with my vacation in another country. I was forced to bottle early; primary fermentation had just completed and I had just enough time to dryhop. On the last day of the dryhop, I bottled. Upon my return, I tasted the beer and it was not of the same quality that I was used to. The extra primary time really made a difference for me. Maybe someone else wouldn't have noticed, but I'm pretty familiar with the intended character of a house IIPA that I've brewed dozens of times.

There are tons of brewers making incredible beer from grain to glass in 2 weeks.

The supposed best beer in the world right now takes 28 days grain to can... Heady Topper.
 
Yet still, there are many that make
world class beers from grain to glass in two weeks. Making the point that not all beer styles, brewing processes, and taste preferences are the same. What a complicated situation!

BTW - I could never even try a Heady Topper. It is way too much ABV for any beer session. Brew strong and brew wrong!

The best three beers in the world today are New Belgium Fat Tire, Founders All Day, Fat Heads Sunshine Daydream.
 
Bobbrews, Think what you might have experienced is the reaction of dry hops to yeast that are still in solution. It is not necessarily an off flavor just a reaction that some brewers have been intentionally going for by pitching withn a degree Plato of FG.

I think the it thing is if you know your system than you can brew good beer as fast or slow as that system allows and still have it be excellent. You don't have to wait 3-4 weeks just "because that's what people do".
 
Personally I think a new brewer should follow the 3 weeks in primary, no secondary (even if you're dry hopping), bottle and allow 3 weeks to fully carb rule(s) when starting. The only reason not to do this is impatience, but if you do follow it you are going to end up with better beer. Sure you can rush some beers through in 2 weeks but is it a good idea for a newbie?

Patience is your friend when you're home brewing.
 
Personally I think a new brewer should follow the 3 weeks in primary, no secondary (even if you're dry hopping), bottle and allow 3 weeks to fully carb rule(s) when starting. The only reason not to do this is impatience, but if you do follow it you are going to end up with better beer. Sure you can rush some beers through in 2 weeks but is it a good idea for a newbie?

Patience is your friend when you're home brewing.

No - absolutely not for a beginner. For one main reason - the amount and quality of the yeast pitched is usually the big issue.
 
And the recommendation against secondary could be a breaking point for continued interest - a mug full of trub in the pour is hardly supported. Exactly how one gets there without secondary has so much to do with process.
 
Yet still, there are many that make
world class beers from grain to glass in two weeks. Making the point that not all beer styles, brewing processes, and taste preferences are the same. What a complicated situation!

BTW - I could never even try a Heady Topper. It is way too much ABV for any beer session. Brew strong and brew wrong!

The best three beers in the world today are New Belgium Fat Tire, Founders All Day, Fat Heads Sunshine Daydream.

Heady is fantastic. Not everyone likes session beers..they are too light bodied IMO. To each their own I suppose.
 
Heady is fantastic. Not everyone likes session beers..they are too light bodied IMO. To each their own I suppose.

So is White Raja - great feel and taste, but the slow ride is ruined for the session enthusiast. My wife is a fast rider and would agree with you... what a drag for me. In less than an hour the event is beyond control. And yes I endure to each his/her own.
 
How hard is it to not rack off the trub?

It has been really hard for me these past three years. The floatong mess has been there because of process. Cold crash is not possible either.

And also, I will not use a floc enhancing additive to clear.
 
Beer will clear if you simply leave it in the primary longer. After 3 weeks you'll have a very firm mass on the bottom of the carboy / bucket. My beer is more clear since I've stopped using a secondary. Racking to a secondary introduces risks to the beer, like oxidization and infection, that you can eliminate simply by not doing it.

The floating mess is there because you aren't giving it enough time to settle, that is the only process problem.
 
Beer will clear if you simply leave it in the primary longer. After 3 weeks you'll have a very firm mass on the bottom of the carboy / bucket. My beer is more clear since I've stopped using a secondary. Racking to a secondary introduces risks to the beer, like oxidization and infection, that you can eliminate simply by not doing it.

The floating mess is there because you aren't giving it enough time to settle, that is the only process problem.


Well, racking to secondary presents no risk when normal sanitation and careful racking are a part of that step.
No process problem here. It works perfectly for me.
 
Hey, to each there own. It is your beer and if you like to secondary go right ahead.

I was only trying to point out to the OP that the whole "rack to secondary" information is now regarded as outdated by the man who originally popularized the idea, John Palmer. You can read what John is saying now on this post https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f163/secondary-not-john-palmer-jamil-zainasheff-weigh-176837/. But if a secondary works for you, by all means continue.
 
Yes I am aware that the time on the modern yeasts is not an issue wrt flavors.
That has nothing to do with it.

My primaries either do not drop in primary or are fluffy (not compacted) even after a month. Probably from so much trub. I guess I could change that feature with more work (and some risk of infection) between kettle and fermenter but it is easier to avoid that since secondary takes care of it. So yeah, secondary is the best way.
 
Fermentation stops completely within about 4-8 days depending on the gravity of the ale. Unless you're playing kickball with your primary or living in outer space, everything drops shortly after.

The main reason that might lead a person to wholeheartedly believe that they need to rack to secondary for clarity purposes is likely due to their own poor racking procedure. If you're an effective primary racker, then there is no real reason you will have an extremely hazy American ale, unless it is intentional and to style.
 
"Unless you're playing kickball with your primary or living in outer space, everything drops shortly after."

Must be some things going on that you have not experienced due to recipes processes. There are lots of cases here that do not drop out, even after a month. I just don't want to wait for it to clear, especially since my brews are already done after 4-8 days. But there is nothing wrong with waiting it out in primary,if you know it is gonna clear.
 
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