poll: Cascadian Dark Ale/Black IPA - proper name

[RenoDean]

when was the last time you saw a American Brown with 70 IBUs that wasn't labeled a imperial?

My janet's brown has about that many ibu's.

 

[AnOldUR]

My vote is India Black Ale, it's the only one that makes sense.

And what part of India does the beer style share a history with? :cross:

 

[Pilgarlic]

CNN has just projected "Cascadian Dark Ale" as the winner.

 

[olllllo]

And what part of India does the beer style share a history with? :cross:

The Tech Support / Accounting Services part.

 

[klyph]

And what part of India does the beer style share a history with? :cross:

The hop profile is the same as an India Pale Ale

 

[humann_brewing]

My janet's brown has about that many ibu's.

but that is not too style, send that into a comp as a American Brown and they will rip on it because it is not to style.

 

[olllllo]

All on Notice!

 

[Whut]

NEDA got my vote.

 

[Shooter]

All on Notice!

Well, based on those choices, I'm going for "This won't bring back the Sonics ale." So, true, so true...

 

[mithion]

I really don't like anything with "India" or "Pale " in it. The IPA is a historical style and this new dark ale doesn't have anything to do with the historical style. And it's also not pale so any name with pale is just ridiculous. I voted for American Dark Ale which is consistent with the other styles like American Pale Ale, American IPA, American Porter, American Stout and American Strong Ale.

 

[babalu87]

American Brown Ales can be drier with very pronounced hop flavor. So there already is a category, American Brown.

No
American Brown Ales are
BROWN

Imperial Black Ales are
BLACK

 

[carnevoodoo]

No
American Brown Ales are
BROWN

Imperial Black Ales are
BLACK

But not all of them. I've had a few dark brown IBAs.

 

[a10t2]

I voted "American Dark Ale", but I think it should be "American Black Ale". "Dark", to my mind, isn't sufficiently differentiated from "Brown".

 

[Julohan]

I voted Black IPA, since that is close to what I like to call it India Dark Ale. I guess I could had voted for American Dark Ale.

 

[bovineblitz]

I really don't like anything with "India" or "Pale " in it. The IPA is a historical style and this new dark ale doesn't have anything to do with the historical style. And it's also not pale so any name with pale is just ridiculous. I voted for American Dark Ale which is consistent with the other styles like American Pale Ale, American IPA, American Porter, American Stout and American Strong Ale.

IMO it has a lot to do with the IPA. It's the daughter of the IPA and honestly, how would you describe it to somebody? The easiest way is to say "it's got the hop profile of an IPA with a bit of roastiness"

 

[AnOldUR]

IMO it has a lot to do with the IPA. It's the daughter of the IPA and honestly, how would you describe it to somebody? The easiest way is to say "it's got the hop profile of an IPA with a bit of roastiness"

I'd say, "It's got the hint of roasted malt of a Schwarzbier with a boat load of American hops." Doesn't mean I want to see Schwarz in it's name. Son of Schwarz?

 

[homebeerbrewer]

...and we're going to have to agree to disagree on the whole legitimacy of Cascadia until the cartographers of the world finally lay this and other issues to rest in the impending geographic war 0f 2013.

meh, the world is gonna end in 2012 anyway.

 

[Shooter]

meh, the world is gonna end in 2012 anyway.

Balderdash! Just like the Y2K doomsayers my friend, you are too eager to believe the false prophets. The "national" geographic wars on the other hand...well, you can take that one to the bank!

 

[jldc]

I really don't like anything with "India" or "Pale " in it. The IPA is a historical style and this new dark ale doesn't have anything to do with the historical style. And it's also not pale so any name with pale is just ridiculous. I voted for American Dark Ale which is consistent with the other styles like American Pale Ale, American IPA, American Porter, American Stout and American Strong Ale.

These are pretty much my thoughts as well. I don't mind the "India" as much as "Pale" but I prefer "American" plus "Dark" or "Black" as the best descriptor.

 

[mithion]

I was reading another thread and people seemed to concur that the SRM for the style should be 30+. So maybe "American Dark Ale" isn't precise enough. Maybe it should be "American Black Ale"?

 

[DKershner]

Hmm, I never really even thought about the name Cascadian and hop implications.

It's really not a hop implication, more just that the hop and the beer were both named after a mountain range/region.

My vote may be a bit biased because I can see the cascades out my window.

 

[olllllo]

India Ink is black.

 

[Shooter]

India Ink is black.

Aha, a GOOD point sir!!

 

[AnOldUR]

India Ink is black.

Would you mash that or may be a late boil addition?

 

[olllllo]

Would you mash that or may be a late boil addition?

Depends on whether you want a black tongue.

In a somewhat serious practical example lets look at the "popularized by" argument.

One of the "latest" styles (historically speaking) in the BJCP catalog is American Light Lager circa 1972.

Did they name it after the original brewer, Rheingold?
The brewery that popularized it, Miller?
The city the brewery was in, Milwaukee?
The region the brewery was in, the MidWest?
THE GUY that popularized it Rodney Dangerfield?
Where the corn was sourced?

So none of those:
Not Rheingoldian Light Lager.
Not Miller Light (Lite) Lager.
Not Milwaukeean Light Lager.
Not MidWestern, RustBelt, Great Lakes, light lager.
Not TV Marketing Lager, Not Nebraska Corn Lager.
Not Rodney, not Lunchbucket, not Blue Collar, no, no, no, not.

 

[Haputanlas]

India Black Ale seems the most logical as it contains all the information needed to know what you are drinking.

I agree with this line of thought, there is nothing in Cascadian Dark Ale that implies a high hop rate. It just sounds like a standard dark ale.

I say India Black Ale, or just keep with the Black IPA. They both the get the entire point across.

 

[cheezydemon3]

The poll is skewed.

People think CDA is winning.

The people who want anything but are winning. Black IPA and American Dark can be combined as far as I am concerned.

 

[northernlad]

American Dark Black IPA?

 

[skiersteve3]

not too sure, but my first home brew batch was one of these, turned out pretty good too!

 

[DKershner]

In a somewhat serious practical example lets look at the "popularized by" argument.

American light lager is a good example of where the BJCP doesn't name a beer after the place it was invented/popularized, but there are beers'o'plenty where they have named it after that region.

Munich, Dortmund, Dusseldorf, Berlin, Koeln, and California all come to mind.