Double IPA Pliny The Bastid

[zippyslug31]

I've recently found a couple sellers of Elder and Blind Pig. I'm actually enjoying the dryness of Pig a little more. But both are damn good. Russian River makes some damn fine products!

Anybody know much about Younger? I seem to recall it is a "triple IPA". Opinions as compared to Elder? Recipe?

 

[maui808]

Would it be OK to use pellets instead of whole hops? Anyone done this?
Update: I ordered pellets, so it's on now.

 

[Jumbo82]

I brewed up 10 gallons of this stuff on Sunday. I doubled everything in the grain and hop bill and was pleasantly surprised to end up an O.G. of exactly 1.075. The only substitution I had to make was for simcoe since my LHBS doesn't carry it. Right now the whole thing is bubbling away in my Fermenator.

On Sunday night I placed an order for 7 oz each of columbus, centennial, and simcoe from Freshops. By the time they arrive it should be about time for my first dry hop addition. But I have a question; should I still double the hops for my dry hop additions? I mean, 2.5 oz of each hop will mean I'll be filling up my mesh bag with 7.5 oz of whole leaf hops each time! That is a serious pile of hops. Would I be better off splitting the hops and using two hop bags? Or maybe use 2 oz of each hop instead of 2.5 oz (6 oz in a mesh bag is still quite a bit). I've never dry hopped this much at once and am not sure how well it will work. Will the hops in the middle of a bag that large still be able to secrete their goodness? Considering the amount of money I've put into this batch already, I don't want to make any mistakes now. Thanks.

 

[maui808]

Just made this, was my first all grain! oh ya!

Since everyone said my efficiency would be low for my first I upped the grain to 18lbs. total, and sure enough it was low. But I ended up with an OG 1.080 in the end, so not too shabby!

Great thread, thanks!

 

[user 22118]

Anybody know much about Younger? I seem to recall it is a "triple IPA". Opinions as compared to Elder? Recipe?

I wouldn't call it so much a triple IPA as I would and Imperial Imperial IPA. It really has a lot of malt and body, but isn't hopped to the extreme like a double or triple IPA can be. I seem to recall it having a measly 75 or 80 IBU bittering with the rest aromatic. It is actually the reason that I made up my Pliny the Middle Child, high alcohol, high aromatic and medium to low bittering (comparatively).

 

[korndog]

It is actually the reason that I made up my Pliny the Middle Child, high alcohol, high aromatic and medium to low bittering (comparatively).

Uh, recipe please.

 

[user 22118]

On my dropdown, or Pliny the Middle Child

As I say though, it comes in around 7-8%abv though maintains a lot of malt. Not sweet by any stretch of the mind, but highly malty. I am thinking of making an even bigger version coming in at about 10% with the same sort of malt profile, I will let you know when I do. That one will be my Pliny the Younger test clone. I will post the recipe in the recipe area and then get it brewed prior to posting here.

 

[humann_brewing]

So I am thinking of brewing this for some friends that are serious hop heads if they help me finance the hops. Anyways, I am trying to decide between Mikes long shot winner recipe and this one. I am wondering why his is still a clone if it is a 1.099 Gravity beer when the original is 1.071 and this recipe is a lot closer to that gravity.

Did mike intentionally ramp up the alcohol and add more hops to balance it?

Also, RR says that this is a 8% beer and an OG of 1.071 so you would have to get to 1.010 FG or attenuate 86% so are people mashing at like 149 on this beer?

 

[korndog]

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Also, RR says that this is a 8% beer and an OG of 1.071 so you would have to get to 1.010 FG or attenuate 86% so are people mashing at like 149 on this beer?

Yes, most I know mash at 148-149 for this recipe.

 

[maui808]

I mashed at 154, I was shooting for 153, but was my first all grain. After 10 days with 2 vials of wlp001 @ 68 I'm at 71% attenuation, 1.024 from 1.080. I'm going to keep in primary a little longer in hopes it finishes out. Would it be a bad beer if this is as low as it goes?

 

[humann_brewing]

I mashed at 154, I was shooting for 153, but was my first all grain. After 10 days with 2 vials of wlp001 @ 68 I'm at 71% attenuation, 1.024 from 1.080. I'm going to keep in primary a little longer in hopes it finishes out. Would it be a bad beer if this is as low as it goes?

Who is to say what is bad? It will just taste different and a little more toward the malty side but may not be too noticeable with all the hops.

 

[humann_brewing]

So no one ever mentioned why Mikes version is 10%. Was he just trying to do a supped up version of Pliny the Elder or is it a clone of Pliny the Younger?

 

[maui808]

Who is to say what is bad? It will just taste different and a little more toward the malty side but may not be too noticeable with all the hops.

Thanks! I feel better.

 

[humann_brewing]

One other weird thing I am seeing is that their "on tap" list is listing pliny the elder at 92 BU (bitterness units)

Russian River Brewing Chalkboard

Most recipes out there are way over 100 though, more like 160+ on the IBU scale. They say once you get past 100 that there is not that much difference to the normal person but just wondering if the recipes are differing or if there is a difference between the old BU scale and IBU scale. I didn't think there was.

 

[Beerrific]

One other weird thing I am seeing is that their "on tap" list is listing pliny the elder at 92 BU (bitterness units)

Russian River Brewing Chalkboard

Most recipes out there are way over 100 though, more like 160+ on the IBU scale. They say once you get past 100 that there is not that much difference to the normal person but just wondering if the recipes are differing or if there is a difference between the old BU scale and IBU scale. I didn't think there was.

They have probably had it analyzed in a lab and it came in at 92. The equations used that come up with 100+ are just guesses. It becomes physically very hard to get more than 100 IBUs into solution.

 

[user 22118]

You also have to think though, are they considering the dry hopping in the calculation or no? I know that some take that into consideration. I am pretty sure that McDole went after the Elder as the Younger is lighter in color as well as other differences.

 

[Rick500]

Has anyone compared the Longshot version to Pliny or the clone recipe in this thread?

I've never had the chance to try the original, but quite honestly I did not care for the Longshot version at all. And I'm a pretty big hophead. The Longshot IIPA was the first super-hoppy beer I've ever tried that I didn't like.

I'd like to either get my hands on some Pliny the Elder, or brew the clone recipe, but I guess I want to make sure I'll like it first...and if the Longshot IIPA really is like it, I guess I'll brew something else.

Maybe I just got a bad couple bottles, or maybe it was too young.

 

[djavet]

Recipe copied exactly according to Vinnie Cilurzo (Russian River Brewing Company Owner/Brewmaster) handout distributed at 2005 National Homebrew Conference.

Hi!

Do you have a scan of the distributed recipe?

Hoppy regards from Switzerland.
Dom

 

[cornRIDE]

i have pliny the elder bottled for 5 bucks a bottle just down the street from my house at Tacoma Boys. one of the best selection for craft beer ever. andddddddddddd it's open 24 hours a day- so i can get pliny at 130 am. yeah!

 

[humann_brewing]

i have pliny the elder bottled for 5 bucks a bottle just down the street from my house at Tacoma Boys. one of the best selection for craft beer ever. andddddddddddd it's open 24 hours a day- so i can get pliny at 130 am. yeah!

I don't want to go broke buying pliny all the time. It is a great beer, but man they add up quickly. I picked some up at the bottle barn in santa rosa where they are $4/bottle and even that, you are talking $24/6-pack, I know they are 16.9oz instead of 12.... so let's say you could buy a 4.26 (4.26 x 16.9 = 72 = 6-pack) pack, that is still $17 for 72 ounces.

Anyways, that was a tangent, the stuff is great, I just had one last night

 

[stevenryals]

can someone help me with the hop schedule?

specifically the dry hopping..

the Columbus shows to be in the boil (1oz) for 30 minutes..
then it says in the note that it's 1.25 oz each of columus centenial & simcoe..
just to clear things up for me, could someone post a hop schedule for the dry hopping?

I have this for the boil:
1.50 oz. Chinook Whole 13.00% Mash Hoping
2.75 oz. Warrior Pellet 15.40% 90 min.
0.50 oz. Chinook Whole 13.00% 90 min.
1.00 oz. Simcoe Whole 14.00% 45 min.
1.00 oz. Columbus Whole 15.00% 30 min.

and this for the dry hop.. but it doesnt add up..

2.25 oz. Centennial Whole 10.50% 0 min.
1.00 oz. Simcoe Whole 14.00% 0 min.

any help would be very much appreciated!!

 

[Beerrific]

All in the kettle:
1.50 oz. Chinook Whole 13.00 40.1 MH
2.75 oz. Warrior Pellet 15.40 146.4 90 min.
0.50 oz. Chinook Whole 13.00 20.4 90 min.
1.00 oz. Simcoe Whole 14.00 37.8 45 min.
1.00 oz. Columbus Whole 15.00 33.9 30 min.
2.25 oz. Centennial Whole 10.50 0.0 0 min.
1.00 oz. Simcoe Whole 14.00 0.0 0 min.

And then dry hop with:
3 dry hop additions for approximately 2 weeks each, of 1.25 ounces EACH of columbus, centennial and simcoe.

So that is 1.25oz of each of these in addition to the 0 min kettle additions.

I am a big fan of mixing 1.25oz of each columbus, centennial and simcoe. Then take 1.25oz of that mix and dry hop for 10-14 days and then take those out and repeat twice.

 

[stevenryals]

ah crap.. so i need to order 3.75oz of columbus, centennial & simcoe then lol...

1st round
1.25oz columbus
1.25oz centennial
1.25oz simcoe
remove after 5-7 days

second round
same

third round
same

remove all

?? am i right?

 

[Beerrific]

ah crap.. so i need to order 3.75oz of columbus, centennial & simcoe then lol...

1st round
1.25oz columbus
1.25oz centennial
1.25oz simcoe
remove after 5-7 days

second round
same

third round
same

remove all

?? am i right?

Almost:
1st round
1.25oz/3 of Simcoe
1.25oz/3 of Columbus
1.25/3 Centennial
For a total of 1.25oz in the beer.
Then after 10-14 days take them out.

2nd and 3rd round:
repeat

You just need a total of 1.25 oz each for the dry hopping.

 

[stevenryals]

that's what i needed..

i was confused thinking i needed 1.25oz of EACH of them.. totaling 3.75oz for EACH of the dry hop additions..

so.. reading the thread,... the extra 7 days per dryhop addition is more for aging the beer than anything to do with hops.. as it's noted that 5-7 days is enough for any dryhopping..

I'm brewing this this weekend.. so.. wish me luck.. will have to watch carefully the hop schedule as this will be my most complicated beer yet.. but should do just fine..

I'm using pellets & going to use a nylon bag for dryhopping..

 

[JerseyBrian]

Anyone ever tried replacing Columbus with Zeus for this recipe? I never brewed with Zeus, but I'm having trouble finding whole/plugs of Columbus.

 

[Beerrific]

Anyone ever tried replacing Columbus with Zeus for this recipe? I never brewed with Zeus, but I'm having trouble finding whole/plugs of Columbus.

It is rumored (or reported as fact by some) that Zeus is the same as Columbus just grown at different farms. In any case, they are very similar, I would not hesitate to use them.

 

[Yankeehillbrewer]

Columbus Leaf Hop 1 oz - 115

This is where I got mine. They're a little pricey, but it was the only place I found whole Columbus.

 

[JerseyBrian]

ahh, nice find! thanks

 

[Yankeehillbrewer]

ahh, nice find! thanks

Anytime