Pittsburgh

[oelayan]

@ Fat Heads if anyone wants to come party. Let's get weird.

 

[tommyguz]

My wife is a teacher. She has stacks of free pan pizza vouchers.

Pretty sure last night I overheard her on a phone call trying to negotiate a trade of pan pizza vouchers for lularoe leggings.

Crooked bitch. I love her.

Why don't we eat pizza when I come over?

 

[psbhockey12]

Makes Fuzzy Baby Ducks release today an utter steal of a price. Case limit and only $12/6pack

 

[chefduff2]

Makes Fuzzy Baby Ducks release today an utter steal of a price. Case limit and only $12/6pack

Also sold out in 30 minutes, so there's that.

 

[psbhockey12]

Also sold out in 30 minutes, so there's that.

Wouldn't you expect that. It's one of the highest rated ipas out there that also used to be local tap only. So super popular and amazing price. Probably would have sold out faster with more registers/employees ringing ppl up haha

 

[dadavat]

Do you think $16 for a growler fill is a very high price? That seems pretty standard to me around these parts.

Yes I do. I also hate growlers.

 

[dadavat]

That sucks about the labels, but I think 14-16 is about normal for smaller breweries doing 4 16oz cans. Maybe it's just the places I've been to that are smaller. I always want it to be Alchemist pricing at 12.50, but it usually never is.

I guess I'll be clear and say that I think the norm is overpriced and that in a perfect world, things would be priced relative to their quality, i.e. our local beers should cost more than the alchemist

 

[ur boy catlicks]

hey guys, ya know what... then don't buy the ******* cans and slug 4 pints of it at the brewery for $24 then get in ur car and drive home

you're seriously going to bitch about NORM IPA can prices less than a page after east end is selling 4 pack cans for $60??

 

[nhindian1]

hey guys, ya know what... then don't buy the ******* cans and slug 4 pints of it at the brewery for $24 then get in ur car and drive home

you're seriously going to bitch about NORM IPA can prices less than a page after east end is selling 4 pack cans for $60??

Lustra is a normal ass pale ale, not an IPA you scrub

 

[chefduff2]

hey guys, ya know what... then don't buy the ******* cans and slug 4 pints of it at the brewery for $24 then get in ur car and drive home

you're seriously going to bitch about NORM IPA can prices less than a page after east end is selling 4 pack cans for $60??

But it has a bird on it.

 

[nhindian1]

I didn't mind paying a premium for Gratitude back when it had the paper wrapper, since it was an awesome aesthetic and I'm sure it was labor intensive. But now that it's just a normal bottle, $20 per is pushing it bigly.

 

[beerman6686]

Aside from the cans being smelly, I dig the DG can labels. Looks like Andrew changed it a bit from the original design on the website. Definitely cleaner looking, and free of words that I need to pull out a dictionary to understand.

 

[kbuzz1]

I didn't mind paying a premium for Gratitude back when it had the paper wrapper, since it was an awesome aesthetic and I'm sure it was labor intensive. But now that it's just a normal bottle, $20 per is pushing it bigly.

But it still has a bird on it.

 

[tommyguz]

hey guys, ya know what... then don't buy the ******* cans and slug 4 pints of it at the brewery for $24 then get in ur car and drive home

you're seriously going to bitch about NORM IPA can prices less than a page after east end is selling 4 pack cans for $60??

Lustra is a normal ass pale ale, not an IPA you scrub

Can someone enter that burn meme of those guys going ooooohhh

 

[kbuzz1]

....
......namely Domino's?

 

[dadavat]

Aside from the cans being smelly, I dig the DG can labels. Looks like Andrew changed it a bit from the original design on the website. Definitely cleaner looking, and free of words that I need to pull out a dictionary to understand.

I agree with you there, the cans are sweet

 

[docreight1]

hey guys, ya know what... then don't buy the ******* cans and slug 4 pints of it at the brewery for $24 then get in ur car and drive home

you're seriously going to bitch about NORM IPA can prices less than a page after east end is selling 4 pack cans for $60??

Im pretty sure we already beat that horse to death and have revisited it enough times that it doesn't have any legs left to swing at it with.. EE gonna do what EE gonna do despite all the opinions of people on the internet everywhere..

In regards to the DG cans. Im really pumped to have a new local brewery packaging beer in a format besides a growler/crowler.. Hell yeah, cans!

I'm not pumped that the absurd prices of growlers in the city is able to dictate the price of that packaged beer.. For some reason we dont bat an eye at $16-20 growlers from our locals, but if I were looking at a $16-20 4 pack on the shelf at a store I would prob pass for another cheaper option.

I'm going to bitch, and im going to continue to partake and support because i enjoy the product and its convenience to my home.

Also, apparently the alchemist just gives beer away.

 

[preluderl]

I'm willing to pay extra to buy local because I want to support those guys. Doesn't bother me a bit.

 

[jagoffbrewer1]

Packaging is insanely expensive. Equipment, labor, cans, etc. If you purchase printed cans, you have to do so by the truckload which is 100,000. Not many places have space for a truckload of cans. A labeler is 20k, date coder an additional 10k. Shrink wrap has it's flaws but is cheaper and doesn't require a set amount to purchase. PAs and IPAs are also the most expensive beers to brew and provide the smallest yield. Just providing some insight to how ******* insane canning is.

 

[preluderl]

100,000? Good lord. I knew it was a lot but that seems insane.

 

[dadavat]

Packaging is insanely expensive. Equipment, labor, cans, etc. If you purchase printed cans, you have to do so by the truckload which is 100,000. Not many places have space for a truckload of cans. A labeler is 20k, date coder an additional 10k. Shrink wrap has it's flaws but is cheaper and doesn't require a set amount to purchase. PAs and IPAs are also the most expensive beers to brew and provide the smallest yield. Just providing some insight to how ******* insane canning is.

That goes to show that it's borderline ridiculous for a very small brewery to can. More power to them, but at those prices, they won't be a mainstay in my fridge. I'll surely pick them up occasionally cause I prefer cans to growlers, but definitely not by the case.

 

[McMatt7]

I'm willing to pay extra to buy local because I want to support those guys. Doesn't bother me a bit.

Personally i'm sick of seeing these local brewer fat cats living large and lavish off my hard earned money.

I just had a funsize snickers for breakfast and it's the first time i've eaten breakfast. Ever.

My lunch is a warm can of GT Cola.

Who do these people think they are?

Hardest pass.

 

[Matthouse3]

Personally i'm sick of seeing these local brewer fat cats living large and lavish off my hard earned money.

I just had a funsize snickers for breakfast and it's the first time i've eaten breakfast. Ever.

My lunch is a warm can of GT Cola.

Who do these people think they are?

Hardest pass.

 

[docreight1]

jagoffbrewer thanks for the insider info. That definitely bring some perspective to the cost and setbacks of packaging for a small brewery, like dadavat said borderline ridiculous. With that in mind; are growler prices purely market driven by the price per pint with a small discount for volume? There is certainly less overhead in purchasing glass and caps there. Or is the small brewery business model what we are most accustomed to seeing locally and that model is what sets those prices because thats what it takes to keep the lights on.. It's no secret people opening brewery's or working as brewers aren't doing it for the huge profit margin.

Are you guys looking to eventually package any of your beers once you're up and running in the new space?

 

[jagoffbrewer1]

jagoffbrewer thanks for the insider info. That definitely bring some perspective to the cost and setbacks of packaging for a small brewery, like dadavat said borderline ridiculous. With that in mind; are growler prices purely market driven by the price per pint with a small discount for volume? There is certainly less overhead in purchasing glass and caps there. Or is the small brewery business model what we are most accustomed to seeing locally and that model is what sets those prices because thats what it takes to keep the lights on.. It's no secret people opening brewery's or working as brewers aren't doing it for the huge profit margin.

Are you guys looking to eventually package any of your beers once you're up and running in the new space?

Our growler prices are driven by price per pint which is drive by our volume, COG, and labor.

As dumb as canning is, we will have a canning line pretty much out the gate. We will also have two small bottling "lines" set up for barrel aged beers and mixed culture beers from our 30bbl Foeders.

 

[brother rebus]

My dead horse is out for a whippin again: I just think something about Pittsburgh drives beer prices high, relatively speaking. Whether they be produced offsite and shipped in (ex- unibroue, sam adams, alpine) or made on site. It could possibly be analogous to alcohol regulation, gas prices, taxes, etc. But either way, it's a strange phenomena.

 

[jagoffbrewer1]

My dead horse is out for a whippin again: I just think something about Pittsburgh drives beer prices high, relatively speaking. Whether they be produced offsite and shipped in (ex- unibroue, sam adams, alpine) or made on site. It could possibly be analogous to alcohol regulation, gas prices, taxes, etc. But either way, it's a strange phenomena.

Economies of scale. Virtually all breweries are under 10k bbl per year. That is really what is driving it. Reason why the local big guys are cheaper than us small **** sticks.

 

[chefduff2]

Economies of scale. Virtually all breweries are under 10k bbl per year. That is really what is driving it. Reason why the local big guys are cheaper than us small **** sticks.

I should have added that into saying The Alchemist can charge less and still make money. They produce so many cans that the price per can reduces enough to make money at a lower price point. The product/packaging the customer demands is costly to small brewers and the resulting higher prices are everywhere. Not even to mention trilliums DDH can go over 20$ for a 4 pack.

 

[OneDropSoup]

Packaging is insanely expensive. Equipment, labor, cans, etc. If you purchase printed cans, you have to do so by the truckload which is 100,000. Not many places have space for a truckload of cans. A labeler is 20k, date coder an additional 10k. Shrink wrap has it's flaws but is cheaper and doesn't require a set amount to purchase. PAs and IPAs are also the most expensive beers to brew and provide the smallest yield. Just providing some insight to how ******* insane canning is.

I think I heard on Jaron's podcast* that Grist House uses a trailer on their property just to hold cans. And I'm surprised to hear that the shrink wrap is cheaper - I think it looks better than labeling. Guess there are more risks with using the shrink wrap, maybe?

*Speaking of which, I HIGHLY recommend everyone hear listen to the most recent episode with Andy (Craft Beer Industry). I think you'll all appreciate it.

 

[jeevo]

I can't even begin to fathom what the figure is, but I'm pretty sure I would drop dead of a heart attack or my head would instantaneously explode if someone were to tell me how much money I spent on alcohol in my life thus far, from the first bomber of St. Ides Special Brew I purchased back when I was 15 up until the BG Lime I was sipping on this past Saturday evening.

And this doesn't even take into account alcohol related mishaps (6 packs of crunchy tacos at Taco Bell at 2 am, lost/broken cell phones, the one time I drunkenly gave a homeless person a $50 when I thought it was a dollar).