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lostcheesehead

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Several news sources are reporting that the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau has approved a product called "Palcohol", which purports itself to be... wait for it... powdered alcohol. They claim to be rolling it out later this year. The product even has a website, which I won't link to here, but it's not hard to find.

Ok, for cereal? Can this stuff even be real? The articles report that you "just add water" and you've got booze. Even if that's true, I don't see how you get to ethanol (C2H6O) from H2O, but then it's been a while since I took a chemistry class.

This has to be one big hoax, right?
 
It's in USA Today. But the story didn't have a graph, so it may not be accurate.

If this thing works, my guess is that most of the "just add water" you add stays water. The alcohol is bound up in the cell structure of the powder.
 
The articles report that you "just add water" and you've got booze. Even if that's true, I don't see how you get to ethanol (C2H6O) from H2O, but then it's been a while since I took a chemistry class.
The obvious intro to chem answer would be C2H4, but I'm sure there's more to it than that. This seems like a terrible idea in oh so many ways...
 
I did some more research on it this afternoon, and indeed it seems that alcohol can be encapsulated by a cyclodextrine and rendered into a powder. Apparently you can even do this with some tapioca maltodextrine if you really want to try it. It's a neat idea, but I don't see it taking off. Not with anyone who appreciates a well-made drink, anyway.
 
Can you snort it?

It reminds me if the stories I read about guys taking alcohol enemas to get drunk faster.

I was like, "If your booze goes up your ass, you're doing it wrong.


You can inhale alcohol, but it will damage your nose, throat, and lungs really bad.
 
I did some more research on it this afternoon, and indeed it seems that alcohol can be encapsulated by a cyclodextrine and rendered into a powder. Apparently you can even do this with some tapioca maltodextrine if you really want to try it. It's a neat idea, but I don't see it taking off. Not with anyone who appreciates a well-made drink, anyway.

But it would be great for backpackers and those wanting to round out their Zombie Apocalypse kits!
 
news is now reporting that the approval was an error. backtracking or no, sounds like powdered alcohol isn't coming to the states any time soon.
 
I would have thought that dehydrated alcohol was like powdered water, just add water... I guess not.

The TTB appears to have backtracked on the approval, or is now saying the previous approval was tentative based on the labels received, but now is not final. Palcohol is reporting the same. Sounds like once they get their labeling/packaging issues sorted out TTB may give them a final approval.

Yes, this can go wrong in so many ways.

Yes, you can snort it. They recommend that you don't and have specifically formulated it with extra fillers to make it either not worth your time or too "nasally painful" to be worthwhile. Just snort your shot, same effect.
 
It's not formulated with extra fillers (the extra fillers are what makes it a powder) and no one is going to snort powdered ethanol (the liquid form is already extremely rapidly absorbed in the gut and the quantity required to get drunk is too large to insufflate to say the least). This is just a gimmick. Ethanol is ethanol...in order to make it powdered you have to add an encapsulating chemical, which neither makes it lighter, less bulky, nor more convenient than just high proof ethanol. Put it in a soft plastic bottle and all the "problems" are solved without making it tasting awful.
 
Buy a coke at the stadium...add palcohol...save buying a $10 mixed drink? Sounds weird. Not sure about snorting this powder but you can nebulize vodka and inhale it. This is an old treatment for foaming pulmonary edema. Not sure about long term effects but you will get buzzed super fast.
 
It's not formulated with extra fillers (the extra fillers are what makes it a powder) and no one is going to snort powdered ethanol (the liquid form is already extremely rapidly absorbed in the gut and the quantity required to get drunk is too large to insufflate to say the least). This is just a gimmick. Ethanol is ethanol...in order to make it powdered you have to add an encapsulating chemical, which neither makes it lighter, less bulky, nor more convenient than just high proof ethanol. Put it in a soft plastic bottle and all the "problems" are solved without making it tasting awful.

5 oz = 1 standard mix drink
5 oz = 140g
33 standard drinks in a 1125ml bottle of bourbon/vodka/rum (37% ABV)
so the equivilant standard drinks of Palcohol would weigh 33*140g=4.6kg!
or approx. the same as 4x 1125ml bottles of spirits!
So I would need to lug into the bush 4x the weigh of powder alcohol than I would need if I just took regular spirits!
 
It's not formulated with extra fillers (the extra fillers are what makes it a powder) and no one is going to snort powdered ethanol (the liquid form is already extremely rapidly absorbed in the gut and the quantity required to get drunk is too large to insufflate to say the least).

I can only report what they say on their site:
"11. Can I snort it? We have seen comments about goofballs wanting to snort it. Don't do it! It is not a responsible or smart way to use the product. To take precautions against this action, we've added volume to the powder so it would take more than a half of a cup of powder to get the equivalent of one drink up your nose."

Still think we may be looking at a product or improvement in search of a market.
 
It's not formulated with extra fillers (the extra fillers are what makes it a powder) and no one is going to snort powdered ethanol (the liquid form is already extremely rapidly absorbed in the gut and the quantity required to get drunk is too large to insufflate to say the least). This is just a gimmick. Ethanol is ethanol...in order to make it powdered you have to add an encapsulating chemical, which neither makes it lighter, less bulky, nor more convenient than just high proof ethanol. Put it in a soft plastic bottle and all the "problems" are solved without making it tasting awful.

People have snorted Pixie Sticks. Don't put this past them.
 
If memory serves,I was about the same age when I tried that. Hey,I saw the teens doing it with that bluish white powder...Anyway,I can see how it'd be good for light weight back packing. Now to find a way to get Bigfoot to drink it?...
 
If memory serves,I was about the same age when I tried that. Hey,I saw the teens doing it with that bluish white powder...Anyway,I can see how it'd be good for light weight back packing. Now to find a way to get Bigfoot to drink it?...

But the stuff is 4x heavier than just taking the spirit in a plastic bottle!
 
This is such a bad idea.

Oh yes after hiking my but up a mountain thats all I can think about is how nice it would be to enjoy a cocktail, hell no; I'm grabbing the water or sports drink to guzzle!
 
I'm in favor of powdered C11H17N202SNA for all us home brewers to add to our brews so we can share with everyone we know. then we could all obey...
 
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LYP085QJvtk[/ame]
 
-YouTube video-

I hope that most people can see the points he addresses in his video are in fact the media overreacting and fear-mongering to create a story. He does a good job to address those issues.
The only problem is he in fact reinforces the biggest problem I see with Palcohol - if it is in fact smaller, lighter and easier to transport and use spirits (as he pretty much says so in the video) then what is the point of Palcohol?
 
He says that it burns to snort and would take one hour to finish a shot's worth of powder. Where's that video?

The guy seems too honest for the product he's selling, should have just ran with it. Yeah, why bring quality bourbon when you can rehydrate a disgusting powdered cosmopolitan that the weighs twice as much and takes up four times the space? Should have just tried to sell as much as he could before all those stupid people figure it out for themselves.
 
I personally don't understand the point of powdered alcohol, even after he explained all the possible applications. I do think he is 100% right about the media being ridiculous about all their psycho overreacting and how not a single one of their points is correct.

There is a video by Thunderf00t on YouTube where he also debunks all the points the media and news outlets have said. He points out that, while Palcohol is 50% alcohol by weight, it is actually 14% alcohol by volume, which is a much more meaningful representation since alcohol is never measured by weight, but always by volume. He pours tons of powder into a wine glass and says that to get 1 wine glass worth of alcohol, you would have to snort one whole wine glass of Palcohol which would be painful since it's basically just ethanol with a chemical matrix, and even if it weren't painful, snorting that huge volume of powder would not efficiently get it into your system, would not get your drunk any faster, and would be quite unpleasant.

He also points out that since vodka, rum, and other high ABV liquors are clear like water, they would actually be much easier to sneak into a location (i.e. you don't need to dissolve them in anything and, if you put them in a water bottle, people will think it's water) and the same point that the Palcohol CEO makes that it would take a long time to dissolve in water and that alcohol is simply more efficient, so it would actually be more difficult to spike someone's drink and the amount of Palcohol would not be sufficient enough to have much of an effect (spiking the drink with Bacardi 151 would be a lot more efficient, for example).

It's a good video if you want to learn more and I could post it if anyone cares.

But, even after seeing that president's video, I still don't understand what the point of powdered alcohol is. Which technically isn't really powdered alcohol since ethanol, like water, is a liquid, and the only way you can make it not a liquid is by adding a ton of something else... which is wasteful when you're just transporting it for the ethanol. And if you were going hiking, the Palcohol may be lighter, but you also have to carry the water to mix with it, which ends up being heavier.

I don't know. I just don't get it.
 
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