Agreed.Also, a lot of people always say "I," even when they are referring to themselves as the object of the sentence. "You can give that to Jeff or I." This drives me nuts because you can tell it's an attempt at proper grammar, but yet it is full of fail.
Now this is where we disagree vehemently. The rules of grammar are absolute. While spelling and idiom may have been dynamically fluid in the 1580s, and are changeable today, they are not so free as to have different sets of rules for one medium versus another.Spelling doesn't bug me. A lot of the greatest writing in the English language, like Shakespeare, occurred before standardized spelling came about. I try to spell correctly, and am pretty good at it, but it's not an easy thing for everyone. A web forum is not an academic opus.
I irritates me too, yet I tend to use it (less). One technique is to substitute with 'essentially', which actually (!) conveys the concept...If I could stab people over the internet I would do it for this post. I remember talking to a guy on the phone while at my helpdesk monkey job who was literally (I mean it in the correct usage) unable to speak a sentence without working the word 'basically' into it somehow.
I wasn't talking about dangling participles or the odd preposition on the end of a sentence. I specifically referred to misspelling. I don't expect everyone to have such an interest in grammar that they can even identify a dangling participle, much less assiduously avoid them.I think there's a big difference between a dangling participle and tighty-whiteys.
I'll answer Bob's questions with my opinions. Perhaps they will put my original post into context for those who seem a bit miffed.1. Why are our expectations so low?
2. Why do we not demand competence - note I did not say excellence, only competence - from people with whom we interact?
3. When did it become socially taboo to correct someone when they are in error?
I noticed I was using "got" a lot and I am trying to refrain from using as much.I've got... When I hear this one, I like to ask the person: "Would you say 'I have got a sandwich?'" NO. Then why would you use that contraction?
I think it's a subjunctive form and therefore can be reasonably used by rational people. I agree that it is over- and mis-used. None of my degrees are in English so your mileage may vary.I'm not sure if it's because including "would" makes people feel like they're speaking/writing in a more sophisticated manner or if it's an attempt to soften the blow of an otherwise harsh opinion, but I've noticed that it's being used with increasing frequency. Even worse is the heinous combination, "would tend."
That's funny, because that is how I realized that it doesn't make sense. I noticed that I was saying it a lot and started to think about what I was saying. Now it drives me up the wall whenever I hear it.I noticed I was using "got" a lot and I am trying to refrain from using as much.
I just realized it sounded weird to me an probably to everyone else.
You know what chaps my grammatical butt? The song "Live and Let Die"... for the following line:
"But In This Ever Changing World In Which We Live In"
The man was English, for chrissakes.
You pedantic SOB!Oooh! Oooooh!!! I've always hated that too!!! It really grinds my gears! I never mention that to anyone any more though because they think I'm just being a pedantic SOB.
Ha! I actually do the same thing in my own head when I hear the song!Years ago I even came up with an alternative for him. "But in this ever changing world in which we're living." It sounds almost identical, so would that have been so hard!?
Thank you for stating my feelings so eloquently!Others believe in continually adjusting one's diction to suit the latest language meme wafting off of the internet, or from popular culture... which while remaining "current", lends itself to continual chaos and a limited audience to fully grasp one's meaning.
That's a balance I'm afraid I cannot strike. Wilful violation when appropriate is one thing; ignorance of the rules themselves - or lack of effort to follow them, if known (laziness) - is entirely another. The former is acceptable, the latter unacceptable. Of course, that's my opinion.However, agreed-upon rules allow us to communicate more effectively with more people across a wider age range. The trick, it seems, is to find that happy balance, and know when to accept another's violation of agreed-upon rules as part of something genuine, and not the result of a lapse in mental judgment or personal character.
I wonder where you're going with that. If it's bait, I'll rise to it.Besides, there are several ways we might encourage excellence, or even competence, from one another. And elitism is neither excellent, nor competent.
Fear not. Only an a$$hole would think less of you for measly little mistakes. You write well.And making me deathly afraid to make a grammar mistake for fear I'll be snubbed and/or looked down upon! Yay!
I think, if you refer to my attitude towards the grammatically-challenged, you consider me an elitist. Not so.