Organic Black IPA

[meerkatbrewing]

Working on my next batch...I made a citra based organic IPA and it came out fantastic...looking at making a darker version. I'd appreciate any comments.

Thanks!
David


9 lbs Organic 2 Row Brewers Malt - Briess (1.8 Grain 2 70.6 %
12.0 oz Organic Black Barley - Briess (500.0 SRM Grain 3 5.9 %
12.0 oz Organic Caramel Malt 90-120L - Briess (1 Grain 4 5.9 %
12.0 oz Organic Chocolate Malt 350L - Briess (35 Grain 5 5.9 %
12.0 oz Organic Crystal 15 Malt - Great Western Grain 6 5.9 %
12.0 oz Organic Crystal 60 Malt - Great Western Grain 7 5.9 %
0.75 oz Organic Citra [11.80 %] - Boil 75.0 min Hop 8 34.2 IBUs
0.75 oz Organic Citra [11.80 %] - Boil 50.0 min Hop 9 31.2 IBUs
0.75 oz Organic Citra [11.80 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 10 11.9 IBUs
0.75 oz Organic Citra [11.80 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 6.5 IBUs
0.75 oz Organic Citra [11.80 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 12 1.4 IBUs
1.0 pkg California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [35. Yeast 13 -
1.00 oz Organic Cascade [5.60 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 D Hop 14 0.0 IBUs

 

[day_trippr]

A lot of dextrins in that recipe...

Cheers!

 

[meerkatbrewing]

made some adjustments...

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 6.56 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.20 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 4.50 gal
Bottling Volume: 4.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.070 SG
Estimated Color: 40.3 SRM
Estimated IBU: 95.9 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 68.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 75.6 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
4.50 gal San Antonio Water Water 1 -
9 lbs Organic 2 Row Brewers Malt - Briess (1.8 Grain 2 69.2 %
1 lbs 4.0 oz Organic Crystal 15 Malt - Great Western Grain 3 9.6 %
1 lbs Organic Crystal 60 Malt - Great Western Grain 4 7.7 %
12.0 oz Organic Caramel Malt 90-120L - Briess (1 Grain 5 5.8 %
8.0 oz Organic Black Barley - Briess (500.0 SRM Grain 6 3.8 %
8.0 oz Organic Chocolate Malt 350L - Briess (35 Grain 7 3.8 %
1.00 oz Organic Citra [11.80 %] - Boil 75.0 min Hop 8 45.3 IBUs
0.75 oz Organic Citra [11.80 %] - Boil 50.0 min Hop 9 30.9 IBUs
0.75 oz Organic Citra [11.80 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 10 11.8 IBUs
0.75 oz Organic Citra [11.80 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 6.5 IBUs
0.75 oz Organic Citra [11.80 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 12 1.4 IBUs
1.0 pkg California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [35. Yeast 13 -
1.00 oz Organic Cascade [5.60 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 D Hop 14 0.0 IBUs


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 13 lbs
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Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Mash In Add 4.56 gal of water at 162.4 F 152.0 F 60 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (0.53gal, 3.53gal) of 168.0 F water
Notes:
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[Steady-Hopper]

When brewing Black IPAs I like to leave out anything roasty; it can clash with the hop profile. I suggest using debittered, Carafa malt. Chocolate and black roasted barley make the end product more stout-like.

Personally, I'd do something like .5lb Crystal 60, .5lb Munich, .5lb wheat malt, base of 2-row, and color with Carafa . It's subjective; do what you want in the end.

 

[funnelweb]

When brewing Black IPAs I like to leave out anything roasty; it can clash with the hop profile. I suggest using debittered, Carafa malt. Chocolate and black roasted barley make the end product more stout-like.

Personally, I'd do something like .5lb Crystal 60, .5lb Munich, .5lb wheat malt, base of 2-row, and color with Carafa . It's subjective; do what you want in the end.

+1 - I think you'll be quite dissapointed with this recipy if comparring to the previous batch. I made a Black IPA using only 5% Caraffa 1 dehusked (which I cold steeped over night and added in the late boil to avoid roastiness and off flavours....Denny Conn) 5% Cara Blond 40, and the rest was MO. Hops was Citra! This recipy came out WAY to roasty and had nothing to do with an IPA. I would call it a really confused beer not knowing wether to be an IPA og a hoppy Stout Citra and roasted barleys (all of them) does not really do each other any good (IMHO) Should I brew this beer again, then I would cold steep again, and only use 0,5-1% of any roasted malt (Special-B maybe) to make it dark but not black, cause then you'll get the clash between the roastiness and the citrussy Citra which are no good.

BR Folke

 

[Weezy]

Recommend midnight wheat for the color. Its the least roasty of the dark malts, even less than dehusked carafa.

 

[Steady-Hopper]

Recommend midnight wheat for the color. Its the least roasty of the dark malts, even less than dehusked carafa.

+1 to this. I haven't used it yet, but I've heard a lot of great things.

Also Special B to darken a BIPA might be a bit out of place. When I think Special B I think: plum, raisin, Quads, and Dubbels. Regardless of what malt you use to darken there will be some 'dark' malt flavor. You can avoid this by using Sinimar extract. Basically it's a beer food coloring; All the blackness & no roastiness.

I have made some BIPAs with Carafa. A bit roasty but not really akin to a stout. Piney hops > tropical hops in a BIPA, IMO.

 

[funnelweb]

I have made some BIPAs with Carafa. A bit roasty but not really akin to a stout. Piney hops > tropical hops in a BIPA, IMO.[/QUOTE]

Percentage? ;-)

BR Folke

 

[Steady-Hopper]

I have made some BIPAs with Carafa. A bit roasty but not really akin to a stout. Piney hops > tropical hops in a BIPA, IMO.

Percentage? ;-)

BR Folke[/QUOTE]

About 5% if I can recall correctly. Specifically it was Carafa Type II De-husked. Oftentimes it's the roasted husks that impart the "burnt" flavours associated with stouts. Midnight Wheat is great is because wheat has no husk to burn when roasting, thus imparting far less charred flavour to the beer. Even the Carafa de-husked malts contain small amounts of husk. Something like 20% of husk material is retained while roasting.

If you request it, I could upload my BIPA recipe online. It's a bit unconventional since it uses high portions of wheat and is only like 6%, but it turned out really nice IMO.

 

[beergolf]

Recommend midnight wheat for the color. Its the least roasty of the dark malts, even less than dehusked carafa.

I use midnight wheat or even debittered black.

 

[funnelweb]

Percentage? ;-)

BR Folke

About 5% if I can recall correctly. Specifically it was Carafa Type II De-husked. Oftentimes it's the roasted husks that impart the "burnt" flavours associated with stouts. Midnight Wheat is great is because wheat has no husk to burn when roasting, thus imparting far less charred flavour to the beer. Even the Carafa de-husked malts contain small amounts of husk. Something like 20% of husk material is retained while roasting.

If you request it, I could upload my BIPA recipe online. It's a bit unconventional since it uses high portions of wheat and is only like 6%, but it turned out really nice IMO.[/QUOTE]

That'll be great! I also used round 5% of Caraffa(1 or 2?) and even using cold steeping the beer turned out way to roasty, so it could be neat to se what you did in your recipe to avoid this "off-flavour"

BR Folke

 

[Steady-Hopper]

My does have a bit of roast, there's next to no avoiding it. However, I rather enjoy some slight roastiness; I dislike when the roast is in competition with the hops. If you really want no roast flavor I suggest Sinimar extract. Regardless of what you do, I have my recipe uploaded. I enjoy my recipe (perhaps the bias of a passionate home brewer). Hopefully you can give it a try and enjoy it too!

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f66/oxymoronic-ale-black-pale-ale-522519/#post6800557

I can put up pictures later in the week.

 

[funnelweb]

My does have a bit of roast, there's next to no avoiding it. However, I rather enjoy some slight roastiness; I dislike when the roast is in competition with the hops. If you really want no roast flavor I suggest Sinimar extract. Regardless of what you do, I have my recipe uploaded. I enjoy my recipe (perhaps the bias of a passionate home brewer). Hopefully you can give it a try and enjoy it too!

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f66/oxymoronic-ale-black-pale-ale-522519/#post6800557

I can put up pictures later in the week.

Thanks a lot - this recipe will join my "To-Do-List" ;-) Thanks, mate!

BR Folke

 

[divrguy]

Your crystal/dextrin amount is super high. Why so much?