Operation: Find the Shittiest Deal on MyBeerCellar.com

[stupac2]

Wait, what are the signs that a beer has been cellared improperly? I was under the impression that as long as you kept your bottles in a cool place and out of sunlight, they would be perfectly fine for a long time (except for hop/coffee/etc. flavors).

Well, define "cool". The worry is that some schmuck's "cellar" is a ground-level closet that hits 80 degrees every day in the summer. In that case it most likely won't be fine.

But I think that the idea that beer needs to be stored at exactly 55 degrees to be aged for any length of time is false. It doesn't square with my experience and I don't think it passes the smell test, really. You clearly don't want to get too hot (at 100 degrees you can get off flavors in hours) but if your cellar space fluctuates between 50 and 70 degrees? That's probably fine. IIRC that's what Cantillon's new lambic bunker does, and I'd be pretty surprised if the same weren't true of places like Kulminator, De Heeren, etc.

 

[mwbbq]

Wait, what are the signs that a beer has been cellared improperly? I was under the impression that as long as you kept your bottles in a cool place and out of sunlight, they would be perfectly fine for a long time (except for hop/coffee/etc. flavors).

I was really just saying that if it was stored in their hot car trunk for 2 years and tasted off, they could always claim it was in their fridge or cellar the whole time and that there must be either bottle variation or the beer naturally oxidized or fell off. Either way, unless you know the person as Gonzoillini mentioned, then you just have to take a chance they actually stored it properly.

 

[CaptainFleeker]

You home brewing now Doc?

 

[GreatGazoo]

http://www.mybeercollectibles.com/listing/2015-bourbon-county-rare/128012

 

[Cruize4Gueuze]

http://www.mybeercollectibles.com/listing/2015-bourbon-county-rare/128012

Isn't Rare going to see nationwide distribution?

 

[JulianB1]

Isn't Rare going to see nationwide distribution?

Goose Island said "select cities nationwide" or something like that. Which probably means Chicago, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, St. Louis (because AB), and LA.

 

[boogercrack]

Isn't Rare going to see nationwide distribution?

 

[Cruize4Gueuze]

Goose Island said "select cities nationwide" or something like that. Which probably means Chicago, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, St. Louis (because AB), and LA.

Plus some random cities that sell or promote a ton of regular goose island/ ab-inbev products probably.

 

[thejukes]

Anyone else notice in the description he says it was aged in Heaven Hill barrels for 35 years?

Seems worth it, since it is some ultra limited version brewed in 1980.

 

[Wino1]

well this also escalated quickly:
http://mybeercellar.com/?itm=38615

 

[claaark13]

http://www.mybeercollectibles.com/listing/2015-bourbon-county-rare/128012

100% chance the seller isn't going to be getting any money from the "buyer".

 

[jeevo]

http://www.mybeercollectibles.com/listing/2015-bourbon-county-rare/128012

Every person here who is signed up on MyBeerCollectibles should make 50 cent offers once a day, everyday so this ********'s e-mail gets slammed with new notifications.

 

[stakem1]

100% chance the seller isn't going to be getting any money from the "buyer".

But the important thing to remember is that once it looks like it actually sold for that stupid of a price, it will set the precedent for others to follow.

How soon until people dont even drink beer anyone? You know its happening to a degree already! I can see it now...in the not too distant future, man babbies will be lining up at breweries days in advance and exchange stories of "beers they had" only, by beers they had they mean have had in their possession or touched for only a minute but have never consumed.

Bro, I had a whole, unopened bottle of King Henry in my hands for a full 13 seconds before I put it into a box and shipped it to New Zeland for a 39 minute chance of holding an empty black raspberry lambicon delight edition autographed by the original guy who actually attended the release and maybe even tried the contents.

 

[ASak10]

But the important thing to remember is that once it looks like it actually sold for that stupid of a price, it will set the precedent for others to follow.

How soon until people dont even drink beer anyone? You know its happening to a degree already! I can see it now...in the not too distant future, man babbies will be lining up at breweries days in advance and exchange stories of "beers they had" only, by beers they had they mean have had in their possession or touched for only a minute but have never consumed.

Bro, I had a whole, unopened bottle of King Henry in my hands for a full 13 seconds before I put it into a box and shipped it to New Zeland for a 39 minute chance of holding an empty black raspberry lambicon delight edition autographed by the original guy who actually attended the release and maybe even tried the contents.

Don't people already assume this happens? That friends will purposely bid on beers to set a fake price point and then use that price point either in trading or selling (YOU'LL HAVE TO ADD, ANOTHER BOTTLE OF RARE JUST SOLD FOR $2,450.37 AND IT WAS TOTALLY LEGIT, THOSE SELLING WEBSITES ARE JUST SETTING THE MARKET MAN, DON'T BLAME ME).

 

[oregonskibum1]

Don't people already assume this happens? That friends will purposely bid on beers to set a fake price point and then use that price point either in trading or selling.

I'm sure it happens, but I wouldn't assume it. And after all these claims, no one ever produces any evidence of it. There are well established secondary markets for wine and spirits with bottle prices routinely pushed into the thousands of dollar range. As beer's popularity sky rockets and new money rushes to get involved, why wouldn't you expect to see a similar escalation in the secondary beer market? This has been predicted for a long time. And now we're seeing it. I'm not sure why people act so surprised.

 

[ASak10]

I'm sure it happens, but I wouldn't assume it. And after all these claims, no one ever produces any evidence of it. There are well established secondary markets for wine and spirits with bottle prices routinely pushed into the thousands of dollar range. As beer's popularity sky rockets and new money rushes to get involved, why wouldn't you expect to see a similar escalation in the secondary beer market? This has been predicted for a long time. And now we're seeing it. I'm not sure why people act so surprised.

Nice try, Mr. Bid Up My friends' Bottles. I'm onto you!

 

[claaark13]

I'm sure it happens, but I wouldn't assume it. And after all these claims, no one ever produces any evidence of it. There are well established secondary markets for wine and spirits with bottle prices routinely pushed into the thousands of dollar range. As beer's popularity sky rockets and new money rushes to get involved, why wouldn't you expect to see a similar escalation in the secondary beer market? This has been predicted for a long time. And now we're seeing it. I'm not sure why people act so surprised.

What evidence would you propose that someone within the marketplace, such as ourselves, produce as proof? There seem to be no controls in place to prevent attempts to manipulate the prices on those sites. High reward, low risk. eBay, as an example, has some form of tracking to prevent shill-bidding. A guy at my work had his account suspended for doing that a while back with baseball cards.

Aren't these secondary wine and spirits markets you reference far more established to a point where manipulation would be difficult? Auction platforms such as Skinner have massive listings. The beer community has two sites, three including Facebook, with poor internal controls.

 

[ASak10]

What evidence would you propose that someone within the marketplace, such as ourselves, produce as proof? There seem to be no controls in place to prevent attempts to manipulate the prices on those sites. High reward, low risk. eBay, as an example, has some form of tracking to prevent shill-bidding. A guy at my work had his account suspended for doing that a while back with baseball cards.

Aren't these secondary wine and spirits markets you reference far more established to a point where manipulation would be difficult? Auction platforms such as Skinner have massive listings. The beer community has two sites, three including Facebook, with poor internal controls.

In wine, they don't manipulate the price, they just produce counterfeit bottles that sell for 5 figures.

 

[JulianB1]

In wine beer, they don't manipulate the price, they just produce counterfeit bottles that sell for 5 4 figures.

 

[claaark13]

In wine, they don't manipulate the price, they just produce counterfeit bottles that sell for 5 figures.

Edit - Dammit JulianB, beat me to the punch and have a better photo than my sideways-ass BA link.

 

[ASak10]

That was teed up perfectly. But honestly, using the wine market as some sort of model of perfection in the secondary market is probably not the best way to go. I don't know about the spirits market. Point is, wherever there is money to be made, there will be fraud and deceit.

 

[Wino1]

Edit - Dammit JulianB, beat me to the punch and have a better photo than my sideways-ass BA link.

correct me if i'm wrong, but is this a recapped and rewaxed (terribly) KBBS?

 

[oregonskibum1]

I think people missed my point. In the wine and spirit world, people actually pay (not just pretend to pay) thousands of dollars for a bottle all the time.

In the beer world, when a bottle sells for what appears to be an absurd amount, everyone here jumps to the conclusion that it must be fraud. I'm not saying there isn't fraud, or that the wine/spirit markets are perfect. But we shouldn't be surprised to see big price escalation when demand far exceeds supply and increasingly wealthy individuals are getting into beer as the stigma of beer as a poor working man's drink starts to fade.

 

[caaam]

correct me if i'm wrong, but is this a recapped and rewaxed (terribly) KBBS?

Nah pretty sure that's the b1 wax. I know b2 was gold but I'm pretty sure this one is legit

 

[Wino1]

Nah pretty sure that's the b1 wax. I know b2 was gold but I'm pretty sure this one is legit

yea, but the B1 wax also didn't look like tin foil.

 

[caaam]

yea, but the B1 wax also didn't look like tin foil.

/s

 

[jeevo]

Does anyone know whatever happened to this ******? Or did he just disappear, never to be heard from again?

 

[boogercrack]

Does anyone know whatever happened to this ******? Or did he just disappear, never to be heard from again?

or just got new usernames.

we've got pretty solid controls in this hobby.

 

[Wino1]

well according to this post, Huna now trades 1:1 with Fou

http://mybeercellar.com/?itm=38708

 

[No1Smitty]

I have heard stories here and there about shenanigans such as recapping beers. Can you give some more details about this particular person ? Or a link to the story JulianB ?