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The list certainly couldn't have helped. Neophytes (relative or actual) lap that **** up. Take the Westy release, for example.
Neophytes aren't throwing down a grand on a single 12-ounce bottle (and Dave was worth that much when I started paying attention in 2011, IIRC).
 
kscald post: 243625 said:
Is this just anecdotal that Fedex is less likely to cause trouble, or is there some specific reason for this rule?

I have never had an incident with fedex. Twice ive had boxes with missing bottles and repackaged however this was the outcome from one ups location so maybe this was an isolated incident
 
Neophytes aren't throwing down a grand on a single 12-ounce bottle (and Dave was worth that much when I started paying attention in 2011, IIRC).
I just meant that seemingly definitive lists like this will certainly raise the profile of certain beers and likely the value. Collector's from other scenes would latch on to it as a reference.

I'm definitely not above it, I certain researched a lot of the beers on the list that I hadn't previously been aware of. Of course that probably makes me a relative neophyte.
 
Neophytes aren't throwing down a grand on a single 12-ounce bottle (and Dave was worth that much when I started paying attention in 2011, IIRC).

Dave was big **** back in like 2008, when I first heard the story. I dunno if it would have sold for a G back then, but it was certainly desirable.
 
I just meant that seemingly definitive lists like this will certainly raise the profile of certain beers and likely the value. Collector's from other scenes would latch on to it as a reference.

I'm definitely not above it, I certain researched a lot of the beers on the list that I hadn't previously been aware of. Of course that probably makes me a relative neophyte.
That's only sort of true. Most of the time the beers on those lists are already extremely well known by the people who would actually go after them, and most new blood into the scene won't have the resources to even consider getting them until they've been around enough to know about them list or no list. There are exceptions to this, of course, but the vast majority of new beer drinkers aren't people like GrumpyOldTroll who get into and dominate the whale game really quickly. And it's hard to run the counterfactual where there's no beer lists, so it's hard to say if they'd end up at a similar endpoint even if the list didn't exist.

A BA-style top beer list, since it's mostly populated by beers that people can actually get, is what really drives movements in beer values (in the sense that if you double the value of a beer where a couple hundred bottles might change hands, you've created more "wealth" than if you double the value of a beer that will get traded once a year, even if it's worth more).
 
A lot of sours might qualify for fancy Vinegar. :D

If you get to the point of an actual Claims person who is the last stop between you and a claim check, this defense will absolutely not work if they have any evidence of what you sent. I've made two claims in all of my beer shipping - one was paid because the box disappeared (but this took about 2 months). The other was destroyed but they listed exact contents, year of production, importer, etc. on the claim itself. I tried many defenses but was ultimately denied by the claims manager because I couldn't prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the liquid in the box contained zero alcohol. He even pronounced 'geuze' correctly and was googling things I was saying.

Bottom line - it's very risky shipping expensive **** with alcohol in it, even if you're careful.
 
If you get to the point of an actual Claims person who is the last stop between you and a claim check, this defense will absolutely not work if they have any evidence of what you sent. I've made two claims in all of my beer shipping - one was paid because the box disappeared (but this took about 2 months). The other was destroyed but they listed exact contents, year of production, importer, etc. on the claim itself. I tried many defenses but was ultimately denied by the claims manager because I couldn't prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the liquid in the box contained zero alcohol. He even pronounced 'geuze' correctly and was googling things I was saying.

Bottom line - it's very risky shipping expensive **** with alcohol in it, even if you're careful.
I was just joking. ;)

I totally agree with what you said. I got lucky to have FedEx pay a claim based on "Collectible Glassware" being what I claimed was in the boxes. Was only like $60 though.
 
How are we sure it's correct? I don't think anyone knows how to pronounce it for sure.

Gur-tza?
Gur-za?
Gooze?
Goo-za?
It's pronounced "geuze"


As long as you're like me and drink alone to avoid ever having the opportunity to say it, you'll be fine. I only have internet friends
 
I have never had an incident with fedex. Twice ive had boxes with missing bottles and repackaged however this was the outcome from one ups location so maybe this was an isolated incident
So your number one rule all are supposed to follow is based on YOUR vast (what a whole 2 years?) shipping experience?



Goddamnit, FML, why do I take the bait?
 
So your number one rule all are supposed to follow is based on YOUR vast (what a whole 2 years?) shipping experience?



Goddamnit, FML, why do I take the bait?

The real question is why are you commenting? I am simply replying to a question directed to me... in two years ive shipped over 300 packages including a whole bunch in excess value of "$1k. So take your" bait" and fish for likes elsewhere
 
The real question is why are you commenting? I am simply replying to a question directed to me... in two years ive shipped over 300 packages including a whole bunch in excess value of "$1k. So take your" bait" and fish for likes elsewhere
Not fishing for likes, zero ***** given, merely pointing out that your experience may not be the same for everyone since it's based on your short shipping experience. Some of us have shipped a hell of a lot more than you and may have a differing viewpoint.

Nice to see I can still touch your balls so easily though.

Why you so mad bro?
 
Some say Joel66 is a master baiter.
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The real question is why are you commenting? I am simply replying to a question directed to me... in two years ive shipped over 300 packages including a whole bunch in excess value of "$1k. So take your" bait" and fish for likes elsewhere

Those quotations are blowing my mind.
 
2014 BVDL for $450 + shipping

hahahahaahahaha almost 5 bills for a single bottle

**** man FOR that price i can head to vt and back with a few cases of horny toppler, doulbe d sunshin and some chill farmsteed

YAKNOW?????????????????//////////////
 
Rule #1, dont ship these bottles via UPS... Fedex only.
Rule #2, ship next day air
Rule #3, create a label with a business account and ship to a business address. From my experience their is much less incidents when delivering to and froma company.
I ship all my trades UPS
including a Dave back during that 10 bottle release fiasco. I've done over a 100 trades and no problems whatsoever. I did do next day air with the Dave because of value. I think it depends on your area. Just throwing my 2cents in.
 
I ship all my trades UPS
including a Dave back during that 10 bottle release fiasco. I've done over a 100 trades and no problems whatsoever. I did do next day air with the Dave because of value. I think it depends on your area. Just throwing my 2cents in.

this. UPS mangles boxes in north jersey...seriously doesn't matter if its a big or small box it will show up dented to **** and its so bad. fedex how ever handles everything with care around here
 
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