Odell IPA Clone?

[Omahawk]

Any updates to report? I know IBUs calculated versus measured can differ quite a bit, but the little information available from ODell's website indicates 60 IBUs for the IPA. Those 2 oz of flameout hop additions likely add SOME IBUs, which won't show up in bitterness calcs from software. German Ale Yeast - interesting. It definitely is a clean malt, late-hop-heavy beer.

http://odellbrewing.com/beers/classic/ipa

 

[drawdy10]

Let us know how the Zymurgy recipe turns out!

 

[jmkratt]

Poured my first glass out of the keg last night. It was a little more hazy than Odells but the aroma and taste were very similar! It's the best clone I've brewed. Although it's not identical it's close enough that my wife didn't know the difference. It will probably become my house IPA.

 

[jakeatwood]

Awesome--can't wait to give it a shot. What kind of yeast did you end up going with?

 

[jmkratt]

I used US-05. I have been enjoying US-05 for my APAs and IPAs lately as it's clean and lets the hops shine.

What yeast are you thinking of using?

 

[jakeatwood]

Odells says they use a German yeast in their beers, but I've tried both a German Ale yeast and even a Kolsch and neither one of them were very close. They did create a really clean IPA though. I'll have to try the US-05.

 

[jmkratt]

I know the yeast isn't accurate so if you're looking for a true clone maybe US-05 isn't the way to go. It might not be a clone but it makes good beer

 

[casinoreverend]

I just had an Odells IPA on tap a few weeks ago, it was amazing..I'm gonna give the LHBS a ring and start putting together a partial mash recipe--cant wait to get this one going..I'll use the US-05 like noted earlier.

 

[D_Ranged_Eskimo]

Lemme know how this comes out casino. Got to try one my buddy brought back from boarding in New Mexico and it was outstanding.

 

[fifthcircle]

Hey guys, this isn't THE recipe for an Odell IPA clone, but I drank mine side by side with the Odell and couldn't tell the difference. Mine didn't age quite as well, because I didn't get all the dry hop leavin's out at bottling. So at about 2months in the bottle, a couple of them had a slight grassy taste. Not terrible, but something I notice (friends don't).

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/my-holy-hops-recipe-298071/

 

[fifthcircle]

Here is a side by side with Odell on the left of my recipe. You can see mine has a pretty bad chill haze...I now have a great immersion chiller

 

[drawdy10]

That looks great fifthcircle! How is the taste comparison?

 

[fifthcircle]

That looks great fifthcircle! How is the taste comparison?

Taste was VERY close. I would change a couple things as shown below. The second recipe has 61ibu vs the 69ibu of the one I made, but I don't think it will be noticeable. You could always compensate with another .25oz of the horizon. What will be noticeable is moving the Amarillo to sub 20min (from 45min), and upping the quantity. I was missing a bit of aroma on the top, and I think that will take care of it.


Here is my original recipe:
Style: American IPA OG: 1.056
Type: Extract FG: 1.014
Rating: 0.0 ABV: 5.50 %
Calories: 183 IBU's: 69.11
Efficiency: 70 % Boil Size: 6.00 Gal
Color:*** 8.1 SRM** Batch Size: 5.00 Gal
Boil Time: 60 minutes
*
Fermentation Steps
Name Days / Temp
Primary 10 days @ 66.0°F
Secondary 7 days @ 66.0°F
Bottle/Keg 14 days @ 66.0°F
*
Grains & Adjuncts
Amount Percentage Name Time Gravity
0.50 lbs 6.67 % Biscuit Malt 60 mins 1.036
0.50 lbs 6.67 % Crisp Crystal Light 45L 60 mins 1.035
6.00 lbs 80.00 % Briess Golden Light DME 60 mins 1.045
0.50 lbs 6.67 % Briess Carapils 60 mins 1.034
*
Hops
Amount IBU's Name Time AA %
0.50 ozs 20.53 Horizon 60 mins 12.00
0.50 ozs 13.35 Amarillo Gold 45 mins 8.50
0.50 ozs 13.15 Centennial 30 mins 10.00
1.00 ozs 16.13 Simcoe 10 mins 13.00
0.50 ozs 3.41 Centennial 5 mins 10.00
1.00 ozs 1.92 Simcoe 1 mins 13.00
0.50 ozs 0.63 Amarillo Gold 1 mins 8.50
1.00 ozs Centennial 14 days 10.00
1.00 ozs Simcoe 14 days 13.00
0.50 ozs Pearle 14 days 8.00
*
Yeasts
Amount Name Laboratory / ID
1.0 pkg Safale US-05 Fermentis US-05
*
Additions
Amount Name Time Stage
1.00 tsp Irish Moss 15 mins Boil
*
Mash Profile
(none)
*
Carbonation
Amount Type Beer Temp CO2 Vols
5.40 oz DME - Bottle Carbonation 66.0°F 2.00
*
Notes
Primed with .5 oz priming sugar (1/6th of what was indicated), and 4.5 oz golden light DME (5/6ths of what was indicated).
*



Here is the recipe I would go with next time! (at the very least, move the 45min Amarillo hops to under 20min, and drop the pearle hops.) :
Style: American IPA OG: 1.056
Type: Extract FG: 1.014
Rating: 0.0 ABV: 5.50 %
Calories: 183 IBU's: 60.98
Efficiency: 70 % Boil Size: 6.00 Gal
Color:*** 8.1 SRM** Batch Size: 5.00 Gal
Boil Time: 60 minutes
*
Fermentation Steps
Name Days / Temp
Primary 10 days @ 66.0°F
Secondary 7 days @ 66.0°F
Bottle/Keg 14 days @ 66.0°F
*
Grains & Adjuncts
Amount Percentage Name Time Gravity
0.50 lbs 6.67 % Biscuit Malt 60 mins 1.036
0.50 lbs 6.67 % Crisp Crystal Light 45L 60 mins 1.035
6.00 lbs 80.00 % Briess Golden Light DME 60 mins 1.045
0.50 lbs 6.67 % Briess Carapils 60 mins 1.034
*
Hops
Amount IBU's Name Time AA %
0.50 ozs 20.53 Horizon 60 mins 12.00
0.50 ozs 10.36 Centennial 20 mins 10.00
1.00 ozs 16.13 Simcoe 10 mins 13.00
1.00 ozs 10.55 Amarillo Gold 10 mins 8.50
0.50 ozs 3.41 Centennial 5 mins 10.00
1.00 ozs 0.00 Simcoe 0 mins 13.00
1.00 ozs 0.00 Amarillo Gold 0 mins 8.50
1.00 ozs Simcoe 10 days 13.00
1.00 ozs Amarillo Gold 10 days 8.50
*
Yeasts
Amount Name Laboratory / ID
1.0 pkg Safale US-05 Fermentis US-05
*
Additions
Amount Name Time Stage
1.00 tsp Irish Moss 15 mins Boil
*
Mash Profile
(none)
*
Carbonation
Amount Type Beer Temp CO2 Vols
5.40 oz DME - Bottle Carbonation 66.0°F 2.00
*
Notes
Primed with .5 oz priming sugar (1/6th of what was indicated), and 4.5 oz golden light DME (5/6ths of what was indicated).
*

 

[casinoreverend]

I've got the ingredients order completed, I'll let you all know how this turns out Thanks for the recipe!

Partial Mash:
6.7 LB of pale malt extract syrup
2 lbs ESB malt
2 lbs Vienna
10 oz Thomas Fawcett Caramalt
8 oz Weyermann Carafoam
.75 oz Horizon pellet hops, 13% @ 60 minutes
.5 oz Simcoe pellet hops, 13% @ 60 minutes
1 oz Columbus whole hops at burnout
1 oz Chinook whole hops at burnout
.5 oz Simcoe (dry hop)
.5 oz Horizon (dry hop)
.5 oz Amarillo 13% (dry hop)
.5 oz Centennial 13% (dry hop)

Conduct a 60 minute mini mash at 154 degrees with extract, grains, and the specialty malts.
Ferment at 68 one week then condition in secondary on dry hops at 60 degrees for at least one week.

 

[casinoreverend]

Today was brew day for this clone :0) I tasted it after chilling, and it was tasty already!

 

[casinoreverend]

one week of bottle conditioning, and Ive cracked the first bottle open for a taste..its good, nice fiss after a week but its a lil darker than I thought it would be

 

[fifthcircle]

Last weekend, I visited Colorado. We toured the New Belgium and Odell breweries. I tried to get the IPA recipe, but the tour guide girl was having none of it. Maybe I should be less drunk next time! :cross:

She did say that there are 7 hop varieties in the IPA. One of them is "super secret". They wouldn't even tell me what country it was from. One of the brewers was working, and walked by me. I asked him for a hint, and he said with a big grin "it's unique".

Time to do some research, but I am really thinking Nelson Sauvin.

 

[brewmeister13]

I know I am digging this one up from the dead, but this is one of my favorite beers and the tread already spans 3 years, so why not make it 4? In an email from Odell they would give me the ingredients, but nothing else. Here it is:

Hops used: Simcoe, Amarillo, Chinook, Cascade, Columbus, Perle and Centennial. We use whole flower varieties and pellets. Malts are Pale, ESB, Cara, Vienna, and Munich.

I hope this helps with the cloning.

 

[highgravitybacon]

I know I am digging this one up from the dead, but this is one of my favorite beers and the tread already spans 3 years, so why not make it 4? In an email from Odell they would give me the ingredients, but nothing else. Here it is:

Hops used: Simcoe, Amarillo, Chinook, Cascade, Columbus, Perle and Centennial. We use whole flower varieties and pellets. Malts are Pale, ESB, Cara, Vienna, and Munich.

I hope this helps with the cloning.

They're kind of prissy about their recipes. Stone, on the other hand, just publishes recipes, mash temps, schedule, etc...If you pick up a copy of the Mitch Steele IPA book listed in the back is the malt profile for ODell's beer. The hops is only listed as "Proprietary blend."

I do think its a fantastic IPA, however. My favorite.

 

[skibb]

In Mitch Steele's IPA book he lists the grist and hop percentages for this beer, as well as its core stats (IBU, OG, FG, etc). It's currently at my work right now, I can post it later when I snag my book.

 

[fifthcircle]

Glad this got refreshed...good info coming in. Please post the info from Mitch's book. (how is that book BTW?)

 

[skibb]

TBH the book is quite underwhelming, so far. The history is nice and comprehensive, but it reads like a text book and he repeats himself a tremendous amount. I haven't quite dove into the chapters on brewing contemporary IPAs, I'm hoping it picks up a bit...

Malt Bill:
Pale 2-row 84%
Caramalt 8%
Vienna Malt 7%
Honey Malt 1%

Mashing:
Use water to grain ratio of 1.35 qt/lb

Boiling:
90 Minute boil. Use whole hops for hop-back, pellets for bittering. Amounts given are...
16% Chinook
22% Amarillo
22% Mystery Hop
12% Columbus
28% Centennial

Fermentation and Aging:
Ferment at 68 F for about 60 days (?). Dry hopping is done with a proprietary blend of pellets.

Analytical target:
OG: 16.4 P (1.066)
FG: 3.2 P (1.013)
ADF: 80.5%
IBU: 60
ABV: 7%
Color: 9.5 L

Also, a long time ago (2008) Basic Brewing Radio did a show with Odell and their head brewer listed off the hops that were (at the time) in the IPA:
Chinook (in kettle)
Perle (in kettle)
Centennial (in hop-back and dry hop)
Amarillo (in hop-back and dry hop)
Simcoe (in dry hop)

http://podbay.fm/show/75092679/e/1224793800?autostart=1

 

[skibb]

Aight so I tinkered around with a recipe based on the book, and the podcast (assuming the mystery hop is perle) and the IBU's come from a 10 minute WP and rest afterwards (I believe the brewer states they do that in the podcast).

5 gallon recipe - 75% efficiency
OG: 1.066

9# 14 oz 2-Row - 84%
15 oz Caramalt - 8%
13 oz Vienna - 7%
2 oz Honey Malt - 1%

90 minute boil
.38 oz Perle @ 75 (10 IBU) - 6%
.5 oz Perle @ 30 (11.3 IBU) - 8%
.5 oz Chinook @ 30 (18.3 IBU) - 8%
.5 oz Perle @ WP (7.8 IBU) - 8%
.5 oz Chinook @ WP (12.6 IBU) - 8%
1.25 oz Amarillo @ HB - 22%
1.5 oz Centennial @ HB - 28%
.75 oz Columbus @ HB - 12%

60 IBUs - Tinseth. Again, I adjusted all hops/IBUs for a 10 minute whirlpool and a 10 minute rest.

Dry hop is where it gets iffy.
Right now I'm thinking
.5 oz Centennial (stated in podcast)
.5 oz Amarillo (stated in podcast)
.5 oz Simcoe (stated in podcast)
.5 oz Columbus
.5 oz Horizon

7 Hops total

The unique hop the brewer may have been referring to could be Simcoe...but I'm not sure that's such a secret hop these days

 

[Omahawk]

I'm exicted to see the progress on this one. I noticed that the grain bill in the above recipe is different than the one given to brewmeister13 by Odell:

"Malts are Pale, ESB, Cara, Vienna, and Munich."

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/odell-ipa-clone-87132/index5.html#post5183148

Did I miss what yeast they use? I tried an attempt at this 2 years back, but used German Ale yeast as someone thought Odell's used this. I didn't like it - made a much too "soft" beer. I'm planning to stick with 1056 on this go-around. I see fifthcircle used US05 and got good results, so my banked 1056 should work fine.

 

[highgravitybacon]

I'm exicted to see the progress on this one. I noticed that the grain bill in the above recipe is different than the one given to brewmeister13 by Odell:


https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/odell-ipa-clone-87132/index5.html#post5183148

Did I miss what yeast they use? I tried an attempt at this 2 years back, but used German Ale yeast as someone thought Odell's used this. I didn't like it - made a much too "soft" beer. I'm planning to stick with 1056 on this go-around. I see fifthcircle used US05 and got good results, so my banked 1056 should work fine.

I think they use something like 1007. However, how they handle and hop a beer is totally different than a homebrewer. So you should be able to use something neutral and get the same result.

 

[Omahawk]

I think they use something like 1007. However, how they handle and hop a beer is totally different than a homebrewer. So you should be able to use something neutral and get the same result.

Yep, that's the one I used. Didn't make a good IPA for me ....

 

[stpug]

This is almost exactly the Odell IPA recipe published in Zymurgy 2012 Vol 35-4:
http://www.brewtoad.com/recipes/odell-ipa-zymurgy-june12

-Fort Collins water adjusted to mimic Burton profile
-Mash 153-154F for 1 hour
-Use hopback if available or steep method

OG: 1.066
FG: 1.013
IBU: 60
ABV: 7%
Color: 9.5L (18.1EBC)

Differences:
-All 5 minute hops were listed as hopback hops in zymurgy
-Yeast was identified as "Odell house yeast, strong top cropper w/ medium attenuation and low-medium flocculation" (I've also heard german ale yeast). You can harvest some odell yeast from Easy Street Wheat if you really want to nail it down (lots of low gravity yeast to get there).
-They simply state 'caramel malt' - you decide what that means (my guess is caramel 40L but caramalt might be better)

 

[Atonal]

Maybe the hop flavor comes from citra hops?

 

[andyhank]

Hopefully trying to resurrect this one again. I'm originally from Colorado and now live in Chicago where Odell's is woefully unavailable, but on every visit back I try to get as much of this beer as possible. I think it stacks up favorably against any great Midwestern IPA (i.e. Bell's Two Hearted), so I'd like to nail down a pretty good clone so I can keep it on hand. Of all these recipes mentioned in this thread, is there any successes or critiques anyone has?

The grain bill looks solid but I've never used ESB before. For yeast I usually stick to my harvested WLP001 for IPA's and APA's with good results, and probably will do the same for this. After drinking the beer this past week, I think there's some Simcoe in there and something fruity like Amarillo, but I'm really not sure.

 

[stpug]

I have brewed this recipe and the result was excellent. It tasted very much like I remembered Odell IPA tasting but since I didn't have any to drink side-by-side I couldn't do a back-to-back.
https://www.brewtoad.com/recipes/odell-ipa-zymurgy-june12

Changes I'd make:
--Mash at 152F
--X-hops are simcoe
--All 5 minute hops would be whirlpool/hopback
--Yeast = WLP029 or builtup Odell bottle dregs

HTH!