obssesion with hopstands...

[Scriv]

Is it so hard to do your own thing? Is someone somehow forcing you to hopstand? Just because something is a trend doesn't mean you have to follow it.

 

[slym2none]

How he brews rocks, and how we brew sucks.

 

[geoffey]

glad to see that instead of explaining the reasoning behind a phenomenon, you guys choose to represent the community by being grammar/spelling trolls. I am truly curious why everyone feels the need for this type of brewing lately, and then THIS happens. you guys can have fun with your fruit juices. I was hoping this forum would help advance my brewing, but I have been a member for a long time now and the only advancements for me have come from my own experiments and trial-and-error. That's fine with me. **** you very much, jump in front of a bus.

A couple of people corrected your spelling. Big deal. The rest of this thread is full of honest responses. (Not that a spelling correction is dishonest)

It's like you said in your original post, if some people like hopstands great. If you don't, great. Then don't use them. You like a certain type of IPA. Good for you.

Personally I don't find either hop bursting or hopstands to produce a flavor I would call "juice". Or grapefruit. I have had grapefruit sculpin, which tastes like both "juice" and like biting into a grapefruit. And I find it to be an awful IPA. To each their own. But it doesn't taste anything like the IPAs I've made with hopbursting/hopstand techniques.

 

[chickypad]

you spelled gripefruit wrong.

let me help you OP as you're still missing the joke, likely why everyone keeps pouring it on

waiting on those links...

 

[SanPancho]

I think you are overreacting a bit. Hop stands and whirlpool definitely make a difference. And not just with the new fruity stuff. Centennial, chinook, cascade, perle, Columbus, sterling etc can be used too.

Do I think it's required for every style? Of course not, I agree with you there. But here some places I've done them with surprisingly good results
Lager
Black lager
India red lager
Berliner (after a kettle sour)
Saison
Hefe

Quite a few of these beers are places you wouldn't expect to see huge hop flavor, or even any hops at all in the Berliner or gose. But they worked out well.

I realize your beef is with the constant "hype" about the technique, but are you sure you're not anti-hop stand for some other reason? Because to me, the idea of the technique is to maximize hop flavors- so it kinda sounds like you don't like hop flavor..... which would be odd for a home brewer.

I agree that it's quite the hot topic of conversation, but if you think about how expensive hops are getting, especially the new varieties (2015 Nelson is over $30/lb) then I think it's easy to understand how everyone can get so excited about a technique that claims/proposes/helps to maximize the flavor you get for your hop dollars. Even if it seems a bit overhyped.

 

[gwapogorilla]

No, it does not make an IPA, it makes a salad. And how does it stand out if EVERYONE is doing it? IPA's are actually pungent, horrendously bitter, gross old beers. And I still like them. People do not make "IPA's" anymore, IPA's were never fresh, and never full of fruit. They sat on a ship for a couple of months getting good and funky.

Well, that's your opinion. You like bitter beers with no flavor. No need for you to brew your own beer. You can go to the local store, close your eyes, and pick from a shelf of IPA. You will without a doubt, grab something to you liking. Just like the 6 pak next to it. And the 6 pak next to that. And so on.

I mash my beers around 155/156 consistently. Why? Because I like full bodied sweet beers. I like the sugars extracted from grain. I also like the flavor and aromas from hops...hence my using whirlpool in conjunction with other methods to obtain the profile I like. That is why I started brewing my own beer.
NOT to fit into main stream brewing. NOT to make beer the way YOU like it, but to make it the way that I like it.

 

[m00ps]

I am one of those guilty for telling people to add massive amounts into hopstands. but thats just because every "critique this IPA recipe" says they are looking for a "hop bomb." And Im sorry, there is simply no way to do that with like 5oz total in a 5gal batch.

will just say that I would not make an IPA without one. But thats the point of homebrewing. The reason I make my own IPAs is to make something I simply cannot go out and buy. Why would I waste my time and effort making something generic I can buy off the shelf?

 

[m00ps]

Take for instance this topic that popped up immediately after my post
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?p=7146357#post7146357
want "more hop flavor and aroma". What would you recommend doing if not a hopstand

 

[slym2none]

I think the OP bailed.

 

[Ozarks Mountain Brewery]

Drunken Rant? everyone has one from time to time

 

[pitmaster666]

I think the OP bailed.

I didnt bail, just taking a deep breath. I did in fact get the "gripefruit joke", was just hoping for real feedback is all. And as for "how to achieve real hop flavor" I can do that very well using late boil hops. My typical IPA uses around 12oz of hops, I just use more of them towards the "bitter" end. I realize that things change over time, and people discover new varietals that come out each year and like to experiment with flavor. I just notice a very drastic trend with this forum to be distracted with new shiny things. As I said in the original post, you can do what you want. My problem was never with the hopstand itself, as I know the uni

 

[pitmaster666]

I think the OP bailed.

I didnt bail, just taking a deep breath. I did in fact get the "gripefruit joke", was just hoping for real feedback is all. And as for "how to achieve real hop flavor" I can do that very well using late boil hops. My typical IPA uses around 12oz of hops, I just use more of them towards the "bitter" end. I realize that things change over time, and people discover new varietals that come out each year and like to experiment with flavor. I just notice a very drastic trend with this forum to be distracted with new shiny things. As I said in the original post, you can do what you want. My problem was never with the hopstand itself, as I know the unique properties it provides. My problem was with people being told to do it with utter disregard to the intended goal of that recipes creator. If someone posts a recipe for feedback on an "authentic" styled brew, dont tell him to by an electronic RIMS rig and make a batch of orange juice.

 

[pitmaster666]

I think the OP bailed.

I didnt bail, just taking a deep breath. I did in fact get the "gripefruit joke", was just hoping for real feedback is all. And as for "how to achieve real hop flavor" I can do that very well using late boil hops. My typical IPA uses around 12oz of hops, I just use more of them towards the "bitter" end. I realize that things change over time, and people discover new varietals that come out each year and like to experiment with flavor. I just notice a very drastic trend with this forum to be distracted with new shiny things. As I said in the original post, you can do what you want. My problem was never with the hopstand itself, as I know the unique properties it provides. My problem was with people being told to do it with utter disregard to the intended goal of that recipes creator. If someone posts a recipe for feedback on an "authentic" styled brew, dont tell him to make a batch of orange juice. When I first posted this the thread right under mine was a pale ale and this **** went down.

 

[chickypad]

My problem was with people being told to do it with utter disregard to the intended goal of that recipes creator. If someone posts a recipe for feedback on an "authentic" styled brew, dont tell him to make a batch of orange juice. When I first posted this the thread right under mine was a pale ale and this **** went down.

Again, still waiting on the links to see what you're talking about. Every post I seem to see about hopstands is either in regard to American IPA's, or with folks asking advice because they don't have enough hop character in their recipe. Who recommended 6 oz hopstand on a brown ale?

 

[Scriv]

Current issue of BYO:

 

[m00ps]

10% conversion...interesting

 

[BrewingTravisty]

I actually used a hopstand for a good portion of my honey wheat ale that I wanted low bitterness but huge aroma/flavor and it turned out perfectly... Would I do it in a brown ale? No, but neither would I judge someone who did. This is the great thing about homebrewing, we experiment and find techniques that give us flavors that are personalized to our tastes, not those of the general public or some brew master at a craft brewery.

Just because something is a trend doesn't mean it's bad, or that everyone is doing it. Sure if someone really enjoys the flavors produced by something they're probably going to advise it. That's the great thing about advise, you have the free will to take it or leave it. But just because you don't like it don't say it's wrong.

One more thing, before I step off the soap box, it's great that you learned a lot yourself but that's not the fault of this community. This is a treasure trove of information and experience here, there are very few questions that I've had that I haven't found answers for in this forum.

 

[cantrell00]

Most recent IPA. "Sunshine in Yo Mouf"

70/25/5 Pale, Vienna & carapils.

.50 oz, Apollo @ 60

1 oz each of citra, amarillo, centennial & ahtanum @ flame out.

1 oz each of citra, amarillo, cascade, & ahtanum , whirlpool hopstand @ 170 for 30 min.

2 oz each, Columbus & Simcoe dry hop for 10 days.

S05. 1.064/1.010

 

[slym2none]

So, would it be prudent to say that people who no-chill get the most out of their flameout & whirlpool hops?

 

[Bosh]

So, would it be prudent to say that people who no-chill get the most out of their flameout & whirlpool hops?

I think not just no-chill but also people who have a simple system like cooling the wort in the bath tub. That can take a while and while that happens the water is still hot for a good long while. I assume that'd do bad things to hop oils in late additions but would work better with whirlpool additions since you're using your slow cooling system instead of having it work against you.

 

[Yuri_Rage]

The technical forums need to remain on topic and should be friendly.