Obnoxious Football Trash Talk Thread

[the_bird]

Yeah because teams don't need a few games to gel together with a brand new QB.

They'll start scoring more. They have a solid QB and receivers and the hardest running RB in the league. They'll be fine.

I do, however, expect them to get thumped tomorrow night...

Marshawn Lynch is good... but he's not the best back in the league. "Hardest hitting" you can't really quantify, but 4.3/carry (and 4.0/carry for his career) is pretty much league-average. I mean, ****, Brandon Bolden's averaging 5.4/carry - and those, too, he's bringing a load.

I'd take Ray Rice or Frank Gore over Lynch any day of the week (among others). They both bring a load AND they's got much higher per-carry averages. Lynch also doesn't do much in the passing game to help his QB, unlike Rice.

And, Seattle's receivers? Meh - and that's being generous.

 

[Punity]

Marshawn Lynch is good... but he's not the best back in the league. "Hardest hitting" you can't really quantify, but 4.3/carry (and 4.0/carry for his career) is pretty much league-average. I mean, ****, Brandon Bolden's averaging 5.4/carry - and those, too, he's bringing a load.

I'd take Ray Rice or Frank Gore over Lynch any day of the week (among others). They both bring a load AND they's got much higher per-carry averages. Lynch also doesn't do much in the passing game to help his QB, unlike Rice.

The only thing I take those rbs over lynch is they can hit the home run. For my money no-one gets the tough yards like lynch can and more often then not hit a pile and still pick up three or four. Also for catching he's not so great but that's where Turbin comes in handy

Also is Bolden hurt?

 

[HoppyDaze]

Marshawn Lynch is good... but he's not the best back in the league. "Hardest hitting" you can't really quantify, but 4.3/carry (and 4.0/carry for his career) is pretty much league-average. I mean, ****, Brandon Bolden's averaging 5.4/carry - and those, too, he's bringing a load.

I'd take Ray Rice or Frank Gore over Lynch any day of the week (among others). They both bring a load AND they's got much higher per-carry averages. Lynch also doesn't do much in the passing game to help his QB, unlike Rice.

And, Seattle's receivers? Meh - and that's being generous.

You are arguing against a point I never made. I said hardest running RB in the league which he clearly is. WR are solid with Baldwin, Rice, Edwards, and TE Miller...

 

[Punity]

And, Seattle's receivers? Meh - and that's being generous.

And for receivers I think your team and other have show own that you don't need the cream of the crop to have a good passing game all comes down to the QB play.

 

[motobrewer]

You are arguing against a point I never made. I said hardest running RB in the league which he clearly is. WR are solid with Baldwin, Rice, Edwards, and TE Miller...

all pro bowlers, amirite??

also, define "hardest running", please. you know, in terms that will allow us to make direct comparisons with other running backs

 

[HoppyDaze]

all pro bowlers, amirite??

also, define "hardest running", please. you know, in terms that will allow us to make direct comparisons with other running backs

You know when you see it. You are arguing just to argue. LOL. Who runs harder than him?

 

[h22lude]

also, define "hardest running", please. you know, in terms that will allow us to make direct comparisons with other running backs

Agreed. Not sure exactly what you mean by hardest running RB. Do you mean he hits the pile or line and can get those few extra yards?

I would definitely take Gore or Rice over Lynch. I like Rice a lot

Edit: you posted at the same time. Lynch does hit the pile hard

 

[the_bird]

****, BenJarvis Green-Ellis is a helluva hard-running RB, but he's no Pro Bowler. "Hardest rushing" is meaningless if you can't quantify it somehow. Do they do a "yards after contact" stat somewhere?

In general, I don't particularly care how the RB gets the yards, as long as he gets them. For my money, Ray Rice is probably the best RB in the league, since he brings a load, can make a big play, is a great receiver, and is a very good blocker.

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

Beastmode! Ha! How hard did he run against NE?

Bird, here's his stats, I believe YAC is in there.

 

[Punity]

****, BenJarvis Green-Ellis is a helluva hard-running RB, but he's no Pro Bowler. "Hardest rushing" is meaningless if you can't quantify it somehow. Do they do a "yards after contact" stat somewhere?

In general, I don't particularly care how the RB gets the yards, as long as he gets them. For my money, Ray Rice is probably the best RB in the league, since he brings a load, can make a big play, is a great receiver, and is a very good blocker.

Yea thy do a YAC stat and I'm almost 100% that lynch leads that stat

 

[motobrewer]

You know when you see it.

lol! well i'm glad we got that settled.

"he is the greatest because hoppy said so"

also, hoppy is a pro bowler, so...

 

[HoppyDaze]

Funny how you guys need stats to understand what running hard means. Unbelievable...

 

[HoppyDaze]

lol! well i'm glad we got that settled.

"he is the greatest because hoppy said so"

also, hoppy is a pro bowler, so...

you're quite dumb aren't you?

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

Funny how you guys need stats to understand what running hard means. Unbelievable...

you're quite dumb aren't you?

Funny how a fan of sports fails to understand the importance of stats. Not saying that the "intangibles" aren't a good thing, but statistics paint a picture, not just in sports but in life. Probably not so much for someone cheering for an overrated team, though.

And leave Moto alone, he's a Packer fan, they're all a little special.

 

[motobrewer]

you're quite dumb aren't you?

um, i don't know what you're talking about, I'm a pro bowler....

 

[the_bird]

Funny how you guys need stats to understand what running hard means. Unbelievable...

... no, but if you want to compare Player X versus the rest of the league, it's best to have some kind of evidence to support that. It's funny how little you understand about logic and reasoning.

 

[motobrewer]

ok Hoppy - have you watched every single play in every single professional football game this year?

if not, how can you possibly formulate an opinion on "hardest running" runningback?

i mean, give me a break.

 

[HoppyDaze]

Funny how a fan of sports fails to understand the importance of stats. Not saying that the "intangibles" aren't a good thing, but statistics paint a picture, not just in sports but in life. Probably not so much for someone cheering for an overrated team, though.

And leave Moto alone, he's a Packer fan, they're all a little special.

Never said they aren't important or that they don't convey truths about a team. Just that you don't need them to know what running hard means. LOL

Moving on now. Patroits are gay cheaters with tainted super bowls and they are irrelevant now...

 

[HoppyDaze]

ok Hoppy - have you watched every single play in every single professional football game this year?

if not, how can you possibly formulate an opinion on "hardest running" runningback?

i mean, give me a break.

Yeah I have the redzone...I see most plays. I thought that about him before he came to Seattle. Why so concerned about it? Worry about your sh!tty team and your underdeveloped analysis of it...

 

[the_bird]

If Lynch is such a great, hard-running RB... but his actual production, his actual yards per attempt, is so mediocre... doesn't that mean that his offensive line sucks?

EDIT: And wouldn't it be better to have a running back who can make guys miss, rather than someone who's always plowing into defenders? This whole argument is about style, not substance. Lynch is an above-average RB, who by your score is only "the best ever when he's running into guys!" because he's not particularly good at getting guys to miss him.

 

[the_bird]

Patroits are gay cheaters with tainted super bowls and they are irrelevant now...

You are a clever one, aren't you? My God, I think Moto's only the third-dumbest person in this thread now. Never thought I would see that day come.

 

[HoppyDaze]

facts

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

Yeah I have the redzone...I see most plays.

um, RedZone only shows scoring plays, which are hardly the bulk of plays.

If Lynch is such a great, hard-running RB... but his actual production, his actual yards per attempt, is so mediocre... doesn't that mean that his offensive line sucks?

Either that or that he's just not as good as Seattle fans think. I mean, these are the guys hailing Wilson as the second coming and that WR (who's name we've all forgotten) as a first team all pro. Really, I think Hoppy made it clear quite, stats and record mean nothing to that fan base, as long as they can make noise at the game (and on the internet).

 

[the_bird]

facts

... are your friend. Get some, or GTFO.

 

[ChshreCat]

Trying to find Yards After Contact stats for this year. This is all I've found so far... according to ESPN:

So far this season, Marshawn Lynch has the most yards after contact with 199. That accounts for 47.0 percent of his 423 rushing yards.

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/52814/nfl-fans-tweeted-and-we-answered

That was from a couple weeks ago though.

They don't link to where they have the stats or to what anyone else has.

People have been stacking up against Lynch this season because the passing game has been nearly non-existent until just recently. In the Pats game they did everything they could to stop Lynch and just let Seattle prove they could beat them in the air. They did... and Seattle did.

I think that as the passing game develops, it should open things up for Lynch again.

 

[h22lude]

Never said they aren't important or that they don't convey truths about a team. Just that you don't need them to know what running hard means. LOL

Moving on now. Patroits are gay cheaters with tainted super bowls and they are irrelevant now...

Wow and I thought this thread was going to actually get better. Love how you are so mad.

With that said I'm out of here. This has to be the worst football thread I have ever seen.

 

[the_bird]

Trying to find Yards After Contact stats for this year. This is all I've found so far... according to ESPN:



http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/52814/nfl-fans-tweeted-and-we-answered

That was from a couple weeks ago though.

They don't link to where they have the stats or to what anyone else has.

People have been stacking up against Lynch this season because the passing game has been nearly non-existent until just recently. In the Pats game they did everything they could to stop Lynch and just let Seattle prove they could beat them in the air. They did... and Seattle did.

I think that as the passing game develops, it should open things up for Lynch again.

Best I could find was a site with a "success rate percentage" stat, but they didn't specifically define what made a play successful (I would assume that it would be pickup up at least 4 yards on first down, or converting a third-and-short, things like that). Based on that measure (which seems to be a good measure, if they're defining it appropriately), Lynch was #12 in the league, behind guys like Rice, Gore, Ryan Matthews, Semen Spiller, both NE running backs, and a few others.

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?pos=RB

As to Wilson's getting better... you hate to harp on the shortness, but the only other QB I can think of with Wilson's size who had success is Doug Flutie. That's obviously the best-case scenario for Wilson, but Flutie was certainly the exception to the rule. He's doing reasonably well so far, but even in the best-case you can't expect significant improvement in the pass game (which overall, remains below-average - as per the ******* stats!) this year.

 

[HoppyDaze]

As to Wilson's getting better... you hate to harp on the shortness, but the only other QB I can think of with Wilson's size who had success is Doug Flutie. That's obviously the best-case scenario for Wilson, but Flutie was certainly the exception to the rule. He's doing reasonably well so far, but even in the best-case you can't expect significant improvement in the pass game (which overall, remains below-average - as per the ******* stats!) this year.

Seattle is getting haters from NE. They must be something right...

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

Seattle is getting haters from NE. They must be something right...

NdEB out.

 

[the_bird]

Seattle is getting haters from NE. They must be something right...

Where's the hate? It's a statement of fact; there are very, very, very few successful 5'10" QBs in NFL history. It's no different than saying "Charles Barkley is one of the only 6'5" players in the NBA who was a dominant rebounder."

These... facts. These... statements that are backed by evidence. Do they frighten you? Did some fact-wielding scientist molest you when you were a child or something?