New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[Cottonmouth]

Like @Noob_Brewer suggested, you can always try a24 - dryhop. It’s my preferred yeast for ipas. I routinely get 80% attenuation

Are you able to harvest and reuse A24?

 

[Dgallo]

Are you able to harvest and reuse A24?

Overbuilt starters are the better option for that as trying to harvest from top cropping or collecting from a conical have the potential for ratio swings. Doesn’t mean it won’t make a great beer but will most likely change

 

[Jimmy_Hops]

I was a bit nervous to try this one as the last two beers I had with Phantasm (from the Veil) were awful, but man was this a GREAT IPA. The saturation of diesely Nelson and fruit is unreal!

 

[Dgallo]

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I was a bit nervous to try this one as the last two beers I had with Phantasm (from the Veil) were awful, but man was this a GREAT IPA. The saturation of diesely Nelson and fruit is unreal!

The fiden’s verse was really good too

 

[Jimmy_Hops]

The fiden’s verse was really good too View attachment 751170

I would love to try some other Fidens beers! If you ever want to trade just lmk!

 

[Noob_Brewer]

Like @Noob_Brewer suggested, you can always try a24 - dryhop. It’s my preferred yeast for ipas. I routinely get 80% attenuation

Ive always overbuilt all my starters rather than harvest afterwards. With A24, Ive gone 3 generations with no adverse effects from what I can tell with the yeast blend. I prob could go more generations but I just get a new pack. Don't wanna push my luck lol.

 

[The M]

I haven't used London Fog or Omegas DIPA strain. For me, both Juice and Cosmic Punch land at 1.015 for OG of 1.074-76. But A24 Dry Hop is a beast and always finishes around 1.012-1.014 given similar starting OGs.

Question about Cosmic Punch. I've brewed with it two times. My last brew started from 1.064 and made a 1.5L starter from 2.gen Cosmic. FG was 1.015 which was way too sweet for that particular beer. What kind of attenuation you generally get from Cosmic Punch and how big are your starters? Still experimenting with Cosmic atm so any info will help. I usually brew 6gal batches

 

[Bohern]

I need some help guys. I want to do a 10 gal batch of a double hazy but think I will fall sort of my starting gravity. doing a 5 gal batch of this beer I had a grain bill of 16lbs and 7.36 gal of water in my 15 gal mash tun. My brewhouse eff with such a large grain bill was 65%. How would you all go about doing a 10 gal batch of this beer?

I have DME and my 1st thought is to take a gravity reading and adjust with some like DME, maybe rice or an extra light pils.

**note 1 lb of corn sugar was added at 10 min on the 5G recipe

 

[Noob_Brewer]

Question about Cosmic Punch. I've brewed with it two times. My last brew started from 1.064 and made a 1.5L starter from 2.gen Cosmic. FG was 1.015 which was way too sweet for that particular beer. What kind of attenuation you generally get from Cosmic Punch and how big are your starters? Still experimenting with Cosmic atm so any info will help. I usually brew 6gal batches

I overbuilt my starters so Im typically starting with 2.5-3.0L to start with and harvest. After harvest, I chill for a while then decant some until I'm at about 1.5L. I do typically have a higher pitch rate. Instead of the norm 0.75 factor, I'm typically closer to 0.90-1.0 (based on brewers friend estimates). So Im bringing a good bit of healthy yeast to these 1.074-1.076 OGs. I also treat Cosmic Punch just like I have with Juice where Im oxygenating thoroughly prior to pitching as well as I'm also typically bringing 0.5lb of dextrose to the table as well. In my three cosmic punch NEIPAs landing at about 1.015 on average, my attenuation has been 78-80%.

EDIT: have you landed at 1.015 with other yeasts and came to the same "too sweet" conclusion? Reason why I ask is that my perception of cosmic punch is that its intensely fruity and that fruitiness to me can be sweet. So not sure the FG has that much to do with that sensation IMO. I have used A24 a lot and they always landing between 1.012-1.014 and never seem sweet at all. Thats barely lower than the 1.015 barrier. I did have one beer with S33/S05 finish at 1.020-1.022 (can't remember exact) but that one was DEFINITELY sweet from residual sugars. So much can contribute to perceptions of sweetness and IMHO I think Cosmic Punch is so intensely fruity that it can also be sweet.

 

[beervoid]

I use London Fog a lot and can't get it past 1.020 no matter what I do. On my last brew which was a failed TIPA attempt, started at 1.082 and only got to 1.020 again. That's even with a low mash temperature of 147F and possibly a yeast over pitch as I built the starter for 1.094 OG. Nice strain but going to try Omega DIPA strain again as I remember this is better at getting higher gravities that bit lower.

Have you tried lowering adjuncts?

 

[R.A.I.D]

Grain: Pale 7 kg, Spelt malt 1 kg, Wheat malt 0.5 kg, DME 0.5 kg.
Hot side: Citra, Idaho-7, Mosaic, CTZ, Cascade. 50, 50, 25, 25, 25g
PFDH: Strata, Nectaron. 150 g, 150 g.
OG: 1072
FG: 1012
Yeast: Verdant + Lallemand NE

Aroma:
Grapefruit
Orange
Pine

Taste:
Dank
Pine
Grapefruit

Mouthfeel:
Fluffy, pillowery light.

Strata clearly dominates over Nectaron in this beer. I would prefer if Nectaron was more pronounced. For more tropical notes.

 

[Dgallo]

I would love to try some other Fidens beers! If you ever want to trade just lmk!

I’d be interested in some trades. Who do you have access to where you’re at?

 

[aaronm13]

Like @Noob_Brewer suggested, you can always try a24 - dryhop. It’s my preferred yeast for ipas. I routinely get 80% attenuation

Used A24 once and did like the results but Imperial yeast is hard for me to buy and I'm cheap. I always over build starters for use in the next beer. Will always use one pack for 5-6 brews. With A24 being a blend I thought overbuilding/harvesting yeast wasn't an option as the dominant strain, Conan in this case will take over from LA3 and you'll pretty much just end up with Conan. Have I picked this up wrong?

 

[Dgallo]

Used A24 once and did like the results but Imperial yeast is hard for me to buy and I'm cheap. I always over build starters for use in the next beer. Will always use one pack for 5-6 brews. With A24 being a blend I thought overbuilding/harvesting yeast wasn't an option as the dominant strain, Conan in this case will take over from LA3 and you'll pretty much just end up with Conan. Have I picked this up wrong?

Im glad you enjoyed it when you tried it. Sorry I often assume that we all have similar access to ingredients.

So A24 is a blend of Conan and citrus. Citrus has no genetic connection to LAIII. Its actually a Saccharomyces cerevisiae strain that was once thought to be a brettanomyces strain.

So by over building a starter, you have to shake it and mix it as harmoniously before you split it. This will give you the best results of keeping the ratio

 

[aaronm13]

Im glad you enjoyed it when you tried it. Sorry I often assume that we all have similar access to ingredients.

So A24 is a blend of Conan and citrus. Citrus has no genetic connection to LAIII. Its actually a Saccharomyces cerevisiae strain that was once thought to be a brettanomyces strain.

So by over building a starter, you have to shake it and mix it as harmoniously before you split it. This will give you the best results of keeping the ratio

Ah sorry, I always thought it was a Conan/LA3 blend. That's interesting about harvesting a blend. So I run my starters on a stir plate and fill a small Mason jar as soon as it finishes for use in the next batch and put the flask into the fridge to crash out. Would this be enough to keep the blend in the same ratios? I'll try and pick some up when stock comes back in.

 

[Dgallo]

Ah sorry, I always thought it was a Conan/LA3 blend. That's interesting about harvesting a blend. So I run my starters on a stir plate and fill a small Mason jar as soon as it finishes for use in the next batch and put the flask into the fridge to crash out. Would this be enough to keep the blend in the same ratios? I'll try and pick some up when stock comes back in.

I would think a stir plate would keep it harmonious. That said, you can’t decant any of the starters before the pitch if you want it as close to the original ratio as possible

 

[aaronm13]

I would think a stir plate would keep it harmonious. That said, you can’t decant any of the starters before the pitch if you want it as close to the original ratio as possible

Ah ok. So what would be the best way of going about this from a fresh pouch so you would have enough to brew with and for the next brew?

 

[Dgallo]

Ah ok. So what would be the best way of going about this from a fresh pouch so you would have enough to brew with and for the next brew?

Theoretically you could keep rebuilding if it was harmonious and you didn’t decant. But again some yeast are bound to reproduce faster and swing the blend over time

 

[aaronm13]

Theoretically you could keep rebuilding if it was harmonious and you didn’t decant. But again done yeast are bound to reproduce faster and swing the blend over time

Yeah, sounds kinda impossible to do to exactly keep the original ratio. I'd imagine with each generation Conan would get stronger and stronger in the mix.

 

[Noob_Brewer]

Yeah, sounds kinda impossible to do to exactly keep the original ratio. I'd imagine with each generation Conan would get stronger and stronger in the mix.

If you are overbuilding, Id say that going three overbuilt harvests allowing you to get 4 brews from a single pouch is a success IMO. The last brew you just don't overbuild to harvest. I haven't seen/detected to my palate anyways any difference at all and the fermentations are all the same behavior. I agree with @Dgallo in that when I harvest, after I get my mason jars sanitized and ready for harvesting, Im making sure to swirl the flask (which just left the stir plate) really well to make the starter as homogenous as possible. Not a perfect science but works well IMHO. Not sure how many generations you can do this with as Ive never tried to go past 3 harvests from overbuilt starters with A24.

 

[aaronm13]

If you are overbuilding, Id say that going three overbuilt harvests allowing you to get 4 brews from a single pouch is a success IMO. The last brew you just don't overbuild to harvest. I haven't seen/detected to my palate anyways any difference at all and the fermentations are all the same behavior. I agree with @Dgallo in that when I harvest, after I get my mason jars sanitized and ready for harvesting, Im making sure to swirl the flask (which just left the stir plate) really well to make the starter as homogenous as possible. Not a perfect science but works well IMHO. Not sure how many generations you can do this with as Ive never tried to go past 3 harvests from overbuilt starters with A24.

Sounds good so. I'd be happy enough to get 4 brews out of a pouch so. The process you do is the way I'd go about it. As you say its not perfect science but neither is cell count from a calculator to make your starter.

 

[Shenanigans]

Is anyone still using Kveik yeast to brew NEIPAs or was that just a short lived craze?
I had to cancel my brew day the last two weekends and hope to finally get a chance next weekend.
Difficult to have a beer ready on time for the holidays now so was thinking of doing a NEIPA with some Voss slurry I harvested from a Barley wine last spring. Is it worth a go or is it a waste of all those hops?

 

[secretlevel]

Sounds good so. I'd be happy enough to get 4 brews out of a pouch so. The process you do is the way I'd go about it. As you say its not perfect science but neither is cell count from a calculator to make your starter.

I've had some issues with A24 trying to decant the starter after a few days, so definitely avoid that. It seems that Conan usually settles out a bit faster. What I ended up doing in the end is getting a pouch and making a 4L starter, saving 0.5-1L in 3 jars and pitching the rest.

Is anyone still using Kveik yeast to brew NEIPAs or was that just a short lived craze?
I had to cancel my brew day the last two weekends and hope to finally get a chance next weekend.
Difficult to have a beer ready on time for the holidays now so was thinking of doing a NEIPA with some Voss slurry I harvested from a Barley wine last spring. Is it worth a go or is it a waste of all those hops?

My buddy got 2nd place in a local comp using Voss, it seems to work for folks. However, reusing yeast from high gravity brews is not usually recommended as it was pretty stressed, but granted that it's a Kveik then it could be worth a shot...

 

[beervoid]

Is anyone still using Kveik yeast to brew NEIPAs or was that just a short lived craze?
I had to cancel my brew day the last two weekends and hope to finally get a chance next weekend.
Difficult to have a beer ready on time for the holidays now so was thinking of doing a NEIPA with some Voss slurry I harvested from a Barley wine last spring. Is it worth a go or is it a waste of all those hops?

I never was a big fan of the esters of the more popular ones like voss and hornindal. Have one going now with Framgarden which I hope is better.

 

[Shenanigans]

Thanks guys I think I'll give it a go.
Still need to decide on an exact recipe depending on what malts and hops I have here.

 

[aaronm13]

I've had some issues with A24 trying to decant the starter after a few days, so definitely avoid that. It seems that Conan usually settles out a bit faster. What I ended up doing in the end is getting a pouch and making a 4L starter, saving 0.5-1L in 3 jars and pitching the rest.

Do you use a stir plate for your starters and decant them into a jar as soon as they are finished on a stir plate? Surely the Conan strain wouldn't have a chance to settle out.

Making one big starter and filling a few jars is a good idea.

 

[secretlevel]

Do you use a stir plate for your starters and decant them into a jar as soon as they are finished on a stir plate? Surely the Conan strain wouldn't have a chance to settle out.

Making one big starter and filling a few jars is a good idea.

I used to try to crash them for 24-48 hours, but there's still usually some haze floating around, so I figured that's a part of one of the strains.

 

[Shenanigans]

Thanks guys I think I'll give it a go.
Still need to decide on an exact recipe depending on what malts and hops I have here.

So just checked and I'll do an Alien Church clone with Voss instead of LAIII. Should finish off all my 2019 Mosaic and Citra.

 

[Dgallo]

So just checked and I'll do an Alien Church clone with Voss instead of LAIII. Should finish off all my 2019 Mosaic and Citra.

I had a stint where I rain Voss and Hornindal for like a year. They are solid yeast but tend to outshine the hops and provide less body. I found that if I up the pitch count to a full pouch, I was able to control the esters some but they always seemed to come off thinner

 

[aaronm13]

I used to try to crash them for 24-48 hours, but there's still usually some haze floating around, so I figured that's a part of one of the strains.

If you fill the jars before crashing should get around that issue.