New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[chuckeg15]

I haven’t tried this years but from talks with the members in my club and some commercial versions of 2020 nelson I heard/found there is a herbal component, kinda a basil mint but not quite.. and paired with its traditional dank/ white winey note. The beer I brew is nelson, Riwaka, and Galaxy, so when I do get to it I’ll let you know. I’m hoping it’s good because I have about 2.5 lbs of it for my IPAS and NZ Pilsners

Sounds interesting. Care to share your hop schedule on this one? I've brewed with Riwaka and Galaxy a ton, but never Nelson.

 

[chuckeg15]

I may have missed it in the thread somewhere, but what has everybody that uses Wyeast been doing with pitch calculators? They no longer list a "manufactured date," they now only list a "best by date." My current pack of Wyeast 1318 has a best by date of 4/11/21.

 

[ShaLaH]

Any negative effects of transferring carbonated beer from conical to keg? Normally I keep 2-3 psi on the keg when I cold crash to alleviate any O2 ingress. For my latest NEIPA, I carbed in the conical to 10 psi and equalized the receiving keg to 10 psi and transferred over. A couple times the line got clogged and was just blowing CO2 into the keg, you could hear it bubbling. Any ill effects from this or am I overthinking it?

 

[R.A.I.D]

Any negative effects of transferring carbonated beer from conical to keg? Normally I keep 2-3 psi on the keg when I cold crash to alleviate any O2 ingress. For my latest NEIPA, I carbed in the conical to 10 psi and equalized the receiving keg to 10 psi and transferred over. A couple times the line got clogged and was just blowing CO2 into the keg, you could hear it bubbling. Any ill effects from this or am I overthinking it?

I ferment in a keg and transfer to another keg. For inspiration: I solved the clogging problem by shortening the dip tube.

 

[ShaLaH]

I ferment in a keg and transfer to another keg. For inspiration: I solved the clogging problem by shortening the dip tube.

Do you almost fully carbonate in the Ferment Keg then transfer to the serving keg? I'm just wondering if moving carbonated beer in between vessels and splashing around has any effect on the aroma.

 

[BeerFst]

Do you almost fully carbonate in the Ferment Keg then transfer to the serving keg? I'm just wondering if moving carbonated beer in between vessels and splashing around has any effect on the aroma.

You still need to star san or water purge the receiving keg to eliminate (mostly) the 02 sitting in that keg. Just purging with Co2 pressure is not enough. there is an article out there for low oxygen brewing that demonstrated it required something like 30 full purges at 30PSI to get rid of a significant amount of O2.

closed transferring carbed beer is fine as long you keep pressure on the receiving keg to help prevent foaming. it is a counter pressure transfer just like a counter pressure bottle filler. this is easily accomplished with a spunding valve and pushing it via Co2.

The alternative is to rely on gravity. star san purge receiving keg, Pressurize to the same psi as the conical. place conical some level above the top of the keg. Hook up liquid out on conical to liquid out on receiving keg, hook up gas in on receiving keg to conical, assuming you have a ball lock connection on there somewhere. The two containers will equalize and beer should start to flow into the receiving keg below.

do not hook up to "in post" that will result in foaming no matter what, you want to fill from bottom

 

[ShaLaH]

Yeah, this is what I do. I fill the serving keg with starsan to the brim. I push out all the starsan with CO2 so the keg is completely full of CO2. I make sure the psi of the keg is the same as my conical. I hook up a line from my conical to the serving keg and I crack the pressure relief valve a tiny bit so that the pressure can be released, otherwise the liquid will stop moving.

 

[secretlevel]

I ferment in a keg and transfer to another keg. For inspiration: I solved the clogging problem by shortening the dip tube.

That's pretty wild, I use a floating dip tube and as soon as I get toward the last 1.5 gallon, hops just clog everything. I dry hop loose and cold crash for about 48 hours... Are you guys crashing for longer?

 

[HopsAreGood]

@Dgallo Just got my hands on a single hop Riwaka ipa from a very good, highly respected local brewery. I know you are a huge fan of this hop and the descriptors sound awesome. However, as I’m drinking this all I’m getting is heavy coriander/Belgian flavors. Apparently a bunch of folks on untapped are reporting similar tasting notes. Have you ever experienced this with Riwaka?

 

[Noob_Brewer]

@Dgallo Just got my hands on a single hop Riwaka ipa from a very good, highly respected local brewery. I know you are a huge fan of this hop and the descriptors sound awesome. However, as I’m drinking this all I’m getting is heavy coriander/Belgian flavors. Apparently a bunch of folks on untapped are reporting similar tasting notes. Have you ever experienced this with Riwaka?

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interesting, I have a bunch of riwaka that I plan on using some next month. Do you know what Kane uses for its house yeast?

 

[Dgallo]

@Dgallo Just got my hands on a single hop Riwaka ipa from a very good, highly respected local brewery. I know you are a huge fan of this hop and the descriptors sound awesome. However, as I’m drinking this all I’m getting is heavy coriander/Belgian flavors. Apparently a bunch of folks on untapped are reporting similar tasting notes. Have you ever experienced this with Riwaka?

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I have not but also I haven’t brewed with the 2020 batch yet. Coriander/Belgian notes make me think it’s more yeast phenol related than hop related. Maybe their house yeast is a blend with a Belgian strain and the generation they’re at now leaned too far that direction. That actually happened to Peekskill brewing in ny with a batch of their Aussie Slang pale ale 2 years ago and it turned their typical juicy Pale ale very Belgian character forward. It wasn’t bad but clovie/bubblegum heavy

Do you personally know anyone at the brewery that you could ask them about the beer?

 

[HopsAreGood]

interesting, I have a bunch of riwaka that I plan on using some next month. Do you know what Kane uses for its house yeast?

I’m not sure what their house yeast is but I suspect it’s very clean and neutral. I’ve probably had more than 50+ various ipas from them over the years, and one thing that I really like about them is that I feel like I can always pick out and identify the hops that they list in their descriptions....which is why I’m curious about the Riwaka. I know different lots from different farms can provide different flavor profiles, but this is very different than what I was expecting.

 

[BongoYodeler]

Sample pour from my latest neipa. Not fully carbed yet, but tastes pretty good, (though not fully "together" yet), and smells great. Citra LupoMax, Mosaic LupoMax, Strata, and El Dorado hops; Kveik Voss yeast.

 

[Dgallo]

I’m not sure what their house yeast is but I suspect it’s very clean and neutral. I’ve probably had more than 50+ various ipas from them over the years, and one thing that I really like about them is that I feel like I can always pick out and identify the hops that they list in their descriptions....which is why I’m curious about the Riwaka. I know different lots from different farms can provide different flavor profiles, but this is very different than what I was expecting.

Hill farmstead is in a group of breweries that definitely get the best Riwaka in the US. Here is the BA Link to their 2020 Riwaka (pale ale) they released in late September. I don’t see any mentions of coriander or Belgian, but quite a few folks mention some herbal/vegetable character and spice. So it’s certainly possible. My brother in law got an EQ fractical recently that featured nelson and sworn it had a minty note in it, so it’s possible the bumper 2020 crop ended up having a negative effect of on the NZ hops
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/22511/64925/

 

[HopsAreGood]

Hill farmstead is in a group of breweries that definitely get the best Riwaka in the US. Here is the BA Link to their 2020 Riwaka (pale ale) they released in late September. I don’t see any mentions of coriander or Belgian, but quite a few folks mention some herbal/vegetable character and spice. So it’s certainly possible. My brother in law got an EQ fractical recently that featured nelson and sworn it had a minty note in it, so it’s possible the bumper 2020 crop ended up having a negative effect of on the NZ hops
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/22511/64925/

I’ll just add that this beer is in no way bad or off putting...just completely different than what I was expecting. I actually kind of dig it, but if I blind taste tested it I’d say it was some kind of Belgian ipa hybrid.

 

[HopsAreGood]

On a side note, I’m going to be doing a bit of a Nelson experiment in the next few months. I’ve got a bunch of the 2020 Yakima valley Nelson and it smells absolutely amazing upon opening the bag. It’s more pungent and in your face than pretty much any other hops I’ve ever smelled. Also, most of the hops I usually open are fairly dry and sort of hard, but these are almost soft and sticky...they just seem super fresh and extremely potent. I just ordered some other 2020 crop hops from YVH and will be pairing them all with said Nelson in a 50/50 blend. I’m going to keep the water profile, grain bill, mash temp, and all other variables the same and hopefully gain some insight into some good combos. I’ll be using the following:

Nelson/Galaxy
Nelson/Vic Secret
Nelson/Nectaron
Nelson/Strata
Nelson/Citra

6 pounds 2-row
6 pounds Golden Promise
2 pounds malted oats
8 oz golden naked oats

Mash 152
PH: 5.25

2 oz. Columbus at 15
2 oz. Nelson/2 oz. other hop at 170 WP
4 oz. Nelson/4 oz. other hop DH

I’ll report back with updates.

 

[Noob_Brewer]

On a side note, I’m going to be doing a bit of a Nelson experiment in the next few months. I’ve got a bunch of the 2020 Yakima valley Nelson and it smells absolutely amazing upon opening the bag. It’s more pungent and in your face than pretty much any other hops I’ve ever smelled. Also, most of the hops I usually open are fairly dry and sort of hard, but these are almost soft and sticky...they just seem super fresh and extremely potent. I just ordered some other 2020 crop hops from YVH and will be pairing them all with said Nelson in a 50/50 blend. I’m going to keep the water profile, grain bill, mash temp, and all other variables the same and hopefully gain some insight into some good combos. I’ll be using the following:

Nelson/Galaxy
Nelson/Vic Secret
Nelson/Nectaron
Nelson/Strata
Nelson/Citra

6 pounds 2-row
6 pounds Golden Promise
2 pounds malted oats
8 oz golden naked oats

Mash 152
PH: 5.25

2 oz. Columbus at 15
2 oz. Nelson/2 oz. other hop at 170 WP
4 oz. Nelson/4 oz. other hop DH

I’ll report back with updates.

my mouth is watering man! Love some nelson! haven't used any of my 2020 nelson yet, but excited to. Where'd you get the nectaron? heard great things about that hop.

 

[HopsAreGood]

Get it while it’s available...

https://www.yakimavalleyhops.com/products/nectaron-hop-pellets?_pos=1&_psq=Nect&_ss=e&_v=1.0

 

[RCope]

Nectaron. Yeah, I ordered a kilo from beerco.com (Australia) a month ago and still not delivered. As soon as YVH updated their website, there it was..not cheaper but a lot less expensive for shipping and a lot more predictable...Oh well.

 

[HopsAreGood]

Nectaron. Yeah, I ordered a kilo from beerco.com (Australia) a month ago and still not delivered. As soon as YVH updated their website, there it was..not cheaper but a lot less expensive for shipping and a lot more predictable...Oh well.

Man that sucks. Sorry to hear that. I had a single hop nectaron recently that was really amazing. I’m probably going to order some more of it and do a single hop beer with it of my own. Very similar to nelson but different enough to stand on its own.

 

[BeerFst]

While checking out that nectaron I clicked on the lupomax entry and noticed 2020 is likely to include a ton more varieties.

El dorado, Bru1, azacca, amarillo, ekuanot, Idaho7

Also not digging they don’t have qty remaining in stock anymore, least not showing on the mobile site

 

[Noob_Brewer]

Man that sucks. Sorry to hear that. I had a single hop nectaron recently that was really amazing. I’m probably going to order some more of it and do a single hop beer with it of my own. Very similar to nelson but different enough to stand on its own.

Thanks for the info! just ordered a pound. Similar to nelson eh? love the nelson. YVH says its a "full sister" to waimea? No clue what that means considering they usually say what the parent hops are. Nonetheless, I did a single hop pale ale with Waimea and its great! so if nectaron is anywhere in the waimea/nelson spectrums Ill be very happy.

 

[BeerFst]

Thanks for the info! just ordered a pound. Similar to nelson eh? love the nelson. YVH says its a "full sister" to waimea? No clue what that means considering they usually say what the parent hops are. Nonetheless, I did a single hop pale ale with Waimea and its great! so if nectaron is anywhere in the waimea/nelson spectrums Ill be very happy.

I get the feeling it means it’s from the same parents, where a half sister would be just one parent?

 

[Noob_Brewer]

While checking out that nectaron I clicked on the lupomax entry and noticed 2020 is likely to include a ton more varieties.

El dorado, Bru1, azacca, amarillo, ekuanot, Idaho7

Also not digging they don’t have qty remaining in stock anymore, least not showing on the mobile site

One thing I noticed about the old "quantity remaining" scheme is that it updates lol. I ordered some nelson 2020 stock when there was 23 "remaining" for 2oz packets. two days later it showed 76 remaining! lol

 

[Noob_Brewer]

I get the feeling it means it’s from the same parents, where a half sister would be just one parent?

I agree, but Im a total sucker for trying new hops and like I said, the waimea single hop pale ale is on tap now for me and great! But if you are a "full sister" to another hop with same parents, what makes you different from her? I guess I will have to see for myself lol.

 

[BeerFst]

One thing I noticed about the old "quantity remaining" scheme is that it updates lol. I ordered some nelson 2020 stock when there was 23 "remaining" for 2oz packets. two days later it showed 76 remaining! lol

I mean it kinda makes sense they have to break it up into smaller packages. I just like knowing if I can wait til later or need to jump out of a meeting to make sure I get my hops, ha

On your other question it’s all genetics, just like if you had a dig long they aren’t gonna be identical to you unless your twins.

for two parents, one with gene pair Aa and the other Bb you have 4 combos. AB Ab aB ab

Each of those will express differently and could be awful or great. You have to grow them to find out and just get lucky. Then you get into recessive and dominant genes like brown hair vs red . And that’s just one gene, there are a ton of variables

 

[Noob_Brewer]

I mean it kinda makes sense they have to break it up into smaller packages. I just like knowing if I can wait til later or need to jump out of a meeting to make sure I get my hops, ha

agreed

 

[Noob_Brewer]

with riwaka, nelson, nectaron, waimea and others, it seems that 2020 is the year of new zealand hop madness!

 

[HopsAreGood]

Thanks for the info! just ordered a pound. Similar to nelson eh? love the nelson. YVH says its a "full sister" to waimea? No clue what that means considering they usually say what the parent hops are. Nonetheless, I did a single hop pale ale with Waimea and its great! so if nectaron is anywhere in the waimea/nelson spectrums Ill be very happy.

The single hop nectaron was incredible.. it had that same dank/punchiness/white wine kind of character that Nelson does, but it’s unique in its own way. It was from the same brewery that made the single hop Riwaka I was referencing a few hours ago.

 

[BeerFst]

with riwaka, nelson, nectaron, waimea and others, it seems that 2020 is the year of new zealand hop madness!

Definitely. I think I’ll pick up some nectaron, I also grabbed a blend of NZH107 from 2019. Not sure what’s in it but I am putting all 8 oz into this micro ipa @1.5%. It’s getting dry hopped tomorrow. Fermentation chamber smells awesome