New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[hopjedi]

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[dukedevil0]

Brewed up another batch over the weekend. Doing 1.5:1.5:1.0 Citra/Mosaic/Galaxy....looking forward to it.

 

[eastcoastbrewer]

Can you experienced brewers critique this NEIPA. Its going to be a BIAB beer.

Water:

2.5 gallons fermenter vol

Grains:

2.25lb Golden Promise
2.25lb 2-Row
.5lb flaked oats
.5lb flaked wheat

Hops:

1oz Amarillo
2oz Citra
2oz Galaxy
2oz Mosaic

Yeast: Wyeast 1318

Going to follow the hop addition timing on the first page. Let me know if i should change anything. Thanks guys

 

[marjen]

Might want to pick a different bittering hop. Not sure Amerillo is good for that. Something ike CTZ/columbus/Warrior might be a better choice.

 

[stickyfinger]

Might want to pick a different bittering hop. Not sure Amerillo is good for that. Something ike CTZ/columbus/Warrior might be a better choice.

What is the highest alpha but also not unpleasant bittering hop so as to avoid extra hop matter in the boil (without having to deal with syringes of hop extract for bittering?) I have been using Apollo with good results and was thinking Summit might work well too. Both are like 18% AA. I guess I could toss in some CTZ cryohops for bittering. They are over 20%AA

 

[Shenanigans]

What is the highest alpha but also not unpleasant bittering hop so as to avoid extra hop matter in the boil (without having to deal with syringes of hop extract for bittering?) I have been using Apollo with good results and was thinking Summit might work well too. Both are like 18% AA. I guess I could toss in some CTZ cryohops for bittering. They are over 20%AA

Taurus, Warrior and Nugget are other possibilities.

 

[tld6008]

Here is my attempt at the glorious NEIPA following the Profs 1418 edited recipe, I followed to the best of my ability from the Blonde Ale yeast harvest to txfr to Corney keg though top (I pushed with C02). Only difference was I added both dry hop additions at day 2 of fermentation (high krausen) and I cold crashed for 2 days starting at day 10. Carbed for 2 days @ 25 psi and drinking now! I am very happy with the results.
Please excuse blatant ad for my favorite brewery and my dinner.

 

[Braufessor]

Just got a batch on tap that is really good. 1418 recipe. 1318 yeast. Hops =
2 x 6 ounce addtion.

1x 6 ounces in kettle after flame out.
1x6 ounce addition at day two of fermentation

3:Citra
1: Centennial
1: Simcoe
1: Mosaic

 

[WiscoBrewer]

Just got a batch on tap that is really good. 1418 recipe. 1318 yeast. Hops =
2 x 6 ounce addtion.

1x 6 ounces in kettle after flame out.
1x6 ounce addition at day two of fermentation

3:Citra
1: Centennial
1: Simcoe
1: Mosaic

I did something similar to this
Similar grain bill WLP007 yeast
1: Cascade
1: Centennial
1: Simcoe
@ 45 and 30
2: Citra
1: Cascade
1: Centennial
1: Smicoe
@ 5
3: Citra
1: Cascade
1: Centennial
1: Simcoe
@ FO and WP
3: Citra
1: Centennial
1: Simcoe
DH x 2

Took 1st for IPA in a local competition (average score of 39.5) as well as people's choice, I'll be brewing this a Working Draft Beer Company after it opens in December.

 

[berndawg84]

What is the highest alpha but also not unpleasant bittering hop so as to avoid extra hop matter in the boil (without having to deal with syringes of hop extract for bittering?) I have been using Apollo with good results and was thinking Summit might work well too. Both are like 18% AA. I guess I could toss in some CTZ cryohops for bittering. They are over 20%AA

As was mentioned, I would go with Magnum or Warrior. Those are 2 of the best hops for just clean bittering, and due to the high AA content you won't need much in a 5gal batch, maybe an ounce or so. Other ones like Amarillo may just introduce additional flavors you may not want. In my experience, for an NEIPA it's best to not go for any flavoring from the bittering addition. Most of the flavor will get "boiled off" anyways.

 

[Hannabrew]

Just got a batch on tap that is really good. 1418 recipe. 1318 yeast. Hops =
2 x 6 ounce addtion.

1x 6 ounces in kettle after flame out.
1x6 ounce addition at day two of fermentation

3:Citra
1: Centennial
1: Simcoe
1: Mosaic

no keg hop?

Did you notice a loss of aroma/hop flavor?

 

[Braufessor]

no keg hop?

Did you notice a loss of aroma/hop flavor?

Nope- this has been my standard operating procedure for at least 6 months now..... As good or better than other method and less work/steps.

 

[Oldskewl]

Nope- this has been my standard operating procedure for at least 6 months now..... As good or better than other method and less work/steps.

Do you still do a hop stand/whirlpool?

 

[Hannabrew]

Interesting... So you are still adding the same amount of dry hops but just in one dosage?

That certainly makes things easier from a low O2 perspective. Although this last round I just kegged I think I have a process that worked pretty well.

I recently bought two clear beer draft systems as I am sick of dealing with clogged dip tubes/poppets.

Prior to brew day, I installed the clearbeer and used schematix's technique to water purge the keg. To get the last bit of water out I had to pop the lid and (under positive pressure) turn it upside down and shake out the water. Since I had the lid off and positive pressure already, I added my keg dry hops to the keg (right side up of course).

A few hours after pitching my yeast, I connected a jumper between my fermenter gas post and the keg liquid post as well as a tube from gas in on keg to star San to airlock it. This allows my fermentation off-gassing to continue to purge The Keg while also keeping my keg hops in a pure CO2 environment until I'm ready to rack on to them. Ideally when I do rack there's little to no oxygen left in the keg.

Lastly, since I'm using the clear beer draft system, I don't care about the sediment from The Keg hops. The best $50 I've spent so far in Homebrewing.

 

[havox07]

Nope- this has been my standard operating procedure for at least 6 months now..... As good or better than other method and less work/steps.

Have you experimented with smaller flameout/whirlpool additions?

 

[hezagenius]

Lastly, since I'm using the clear beer draft system, I don't care about the sediment from The Keg hops. The best $50 I've spent so far in Homebrewing.

Amen. Other than ferm temp control and switching to kegging, the CBDS has made the biggest difference for me. And if you are doing keg dry hopping, it's a no brainer. Just toss the hops in. No need to mess with a bag or SS mesh tube.

 

[anteater8]

Just got a batch on tap that is really good. 1418 recipe. 1318 yeast. Hops =
2 x 6 ounce addtion.

1x 6 ounces in kettle after flame out.
1x6 ounce addition at day two of fermentation

3:Citra
1: Centennial
1: Simcoe
1: Mosaic

This hop combo is really intriguing to me. I believe all of these hops (plus Columbus and Apollo) are in one of my favorite IPAs, Sticky Hands, which is kind of in that realm between NEIPA and West Coast IPA. Similar to Heady and exactly what I've been trying to replicate.

 

[anteater8]

I brewed this last weekend with Citra, Mosaic and El Dorado (1:1:1). Curious to see what the El Dorado offers, but based on the aroma out of the bag I'm afraid it might be overwhelmed by the Citra and Mosaic.

I'll be brewing this again this weekend with Simcoe, Azacca, Motueka and Columbus (2:2:2:1). These are the hops used in Great Notion's Overripe, which I really enjoyed.

 

[marjen]

I have used el dorado. I tried it once on its own in a NE IPA. I was not crazy about it on its own, had a bit of watermelon, bubble gum aroma. Not citrusy or fruity. I ended up adding in some mosaic and citra when it was in the keg and they really helped round it out. I think your combo will be good. I am using Mosaic/Ekuanot/El dorado 2:1:1 in the dry hop for my current brew.

 

[plazola86]

+1 on El Dorado having an overwhelming bubble gum flavor. Almost has a plastic flavor to it, just like that cheap hard gum you get from the quarter machines.

 

[Silver_Is_Money]

Would hopping with 100% Citra work to give a NEIPA a distinct fruitiness? Have any of you ever tried this, and if so, how well did you like it?

 

[NHBrews]

Would hopping with 100% Citra work to give a NEIPA a distinct fruitiness? Have any of you ever tried this, and if so, how well did you like it?

Other than bittering charge (CTZ), Sip of Sunshine is said to be 100% Citra. I brewed a clone a couple years ago using Conan that come out quite fruity. I did not use many of the methods discussed in this thread (e.g. I added hops throughout the boil, waited until secondary to dry hop, etc.), so was more of a hybrid between NE and WC IPA

If you google "Sip of Sunshine clone", you will find the recipe to get a sense of grain/hops used

 

[TimmyWit]

Would hopping with 100% Citra work to give a NEIPA a distinct fruitiness? Have any of you ever tried this, and if so, how well did you like it?

I did 75% Citra/25% Mosaic. It was split between 3 yeasts; OYL-057, 1318, S04. The OYL-057 stood out above the other two as being very tropical so that one was entered in a contest at a local brewery. I contacted the judge to thank him for the feedback and provided him the recipe. Him and one of the brewers who tasted the beer both thought it had NZ hops so he was surprised to see that the tropical fruitiness came from the yeast. Omega describes it as overripe Mango. Just be aware that strain will not give you the same haze as 1318.

 

[hezagenius]

I brewed this last weekend with Citra, Mosaic and El Dorado (1:1:1). Curious to see what the El Dorado offers, but based on the aroma out of the bag I'm afraid it might be overwhelmed by the Citra and Mosaic.

I'll be brewing this again this weekend with Simcoe, Azacca, Motueka and Columbus (2:2:2:1). These are the hops used in Great Notion's Overripe, which I really enjoyed.

Juicy Bits from Weldwerks is 1:1:1 Citra/Mosaic/El Dorado, if you've ever tried that. It's pretty solid.

 

[Silver_Is_Money]

I did 75% Citra/25% Mosaic. It was split between 3 yeasts; OYL-057, 1318, S04. The OYL-057 stood out above the other two as being very tropical so that one was entered in a contest at a local brewery. I contacted the judge to thank him for the feedback and provided him the recipe. Him and one of the brewers who tasted the beer both thought it had NZ hops so he was surprised to see that the tropical fruitiness came from the yeast. Omega describes it as overripe Mango. Just be aware that strain will not give you the same haze as 1318.

Would you be able to provide the hopping schedule for this?

 

[TimmyWit]

Would you be able to provide the hopping schedule for this?

Sure thing, I'll just post the whole recipe here. Looking back over it, it's not exactly 75/25 but very Citra forward.

Batch Size: 15 Gallons
Yeast: Split 3 ways - OYL-057, 1318, S04
Water: 152 Ca, 134 So, 173 Cl
Mash: 60 min @ 157
Boil: 60 min
OG: 1.068
FG: 1.019
ABV: 6.5%

32 lbs Pearl Malt
4 lbs Flaked Oats
3 lbs Munich 10L
3 lbs Flaked Wheat

1 oz Apollo - FWH
3 oz Citra/1 oz Mosaic - 10 min
4 oz Citra/2oz Mosaic - 0 min
5 oz Citra/3 oz Mosaic - 30 minute whirlpool at 160

Dry Hop is per 5 gallons
Day 4 - 3 oz Citra/1 oz Mosaic
Day 7 - 3 oz Citra/1 oz Mosaic

 

[WiscoBrewer]

Sure thing, I'll just post the whole recipe here. Looking back over it, it's not exactly 75/25 but very Citra forward.



Batch Size: 15 Gallons

Yeast: Split 3 ways - OYL-057, 1318, S04

Water: 152 Ca, 134 So, 173 Cl

Mash: 60 min @ 157

Boil: 60 min

OG: 1.068

FG: 1.019

ABV: 6.5%



32 lbs Pearl Malt

4 lbs Flaked Oats

3 lbs Munich 10L

3 lbs Flaked Wheat



1 oz Apollo - FWH

3 oz Citra/1 oz Mosaic - 10 min

4 oz Citra/2oz Mosaic - 0 min

5 oz Citra/3 oz Mosaic - 30 minute whirlpool at 160



Dry Hop is per 5 gallons

Day 4 - 3 oz Citra/1 oz Mosaic

Day 7 - 3 oz Citra/1 oz Mosaic

Those hop additions look like a 5 gallon batch not 15gallons?

 

[TimmyWit]

Those hop additions look like a 5 gallon batch not 15gallons?

Seriously? You're using 43 oz for a 5 gallon batch? As noted, the dry hop additions ARE per 5 gallons since it was split 3 ways.

 

[WiscoBrewer]

Seriously? You're using 43 oz for a 5 gallon batch? As noted, the dry hop additions ARE per 5 gallons since it was split 3 ways.

Sorry I missed the forward slash and other hop after. But still using about 3/4 of what they are. If this is from the brewer, they're probably getting a lot better utilization.

 

[TimmyWit]

Sorry I missed the forward slash and other hop after. But still using about 3/4 of what they are. If this is from the brewer, they're probably getting a lot better utilization.

I'm not sure what you mean by "if this is from the brewer".

FWIW, this beer scored a 40, won its category and went on to win BOS which includes a brew session at Urban Chestnut. It was going to be on their new pilot system but that's not quite operational yet so it looks like we will be doing a 15-20 BBL batch which will be served in their tasting room hopefully in time for the holidays.