New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[Nomofett]

Made something using this as the base but using basically only Kohatu and El Dorado. And a little specialty grains to make it a red and it turned out great. Purple colored and tastes like grape juice

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

I haven't commented in a while, but have continued to follow the thread and brew a slightly amended recipe of post 1418. I am 15 batches in. I am posting my key learnings just in case it may help someone else.

Thank you for your detailed information! Reading other's successful brewing techniques helps understand where I lay in my own. My ipas are hit and miss, but see I need to step it up 10 notches to eliminate O2. With your yeast and recipe knowledge also...yes you DID help someone, like me!

 

[k-daddy]

If you could crash before I don't think you'll have a problem. The bigger pieces should settle down. The 100 micron is plenty small and pretty much filters everything though. I was thinking of getting a smaller micron filter but I think 100 is the perfect size. I have read people lose flavor and aroma the tighter it is but I'm not sure if that's true or not.

Thanks for the quick reply. Do you filter from fermentor to keg? If so, does the 100 micron filter remove the fine pellet hop material from those first few pours? It is NOT my goal to have clear beer, just want to filter out the fine pellet hop material during transfer to the keg. I don't want to go with a tighter mesh than necessary to avoid clogging the filter. BTW, I do cold crash but have to move the carboy out of the refrigerator before transfer for racking cane clearance which can stir things up slightly.

 

[hezagenius]

What kind of pilsner malt did you use?

I believe it was an American variety. My LHBS had 2 varieties, both with the same characteristics. One was about a dollar more per pound so I went with the cheaper one. I'm guessing the more expensive one was imported but neither one said the country of origin or brand name.

 

[Hannabrew]

I haven't commented in a while, but have continued to follow the thread and brew a slightly amended recipe of post 1418. I am 15 batches in. I am posting my key learnings just in case it may help someone else.

RECIPE

> Totally agree with Braufessor, 1318 is My least fave yeast. The esters it produces are too over powering. Yes, it results in a "juicy" beer but it also mutes the hop flavor / aromas. Same for WLP644. Current fave is Imperial Organic Barbarian (Conan). Am on fourth gen - Attenuation was 85% last batch, Peach esters are subtle but present - ferm temp of 64 day 1-7, then let it rise to 68 remainder of ferment

> For the people that say Galaxy is too overpowering / dank - the BEST NEIPA by Treehouse (Green) is 80%+ Galaxy....very fruity with little to no dankness...

> Sadly, I am one of the small percentage of folks that can taste onion/garlic in Mosaic so the "primo" hop combo of Citra / Galaxy / Mosaic doesnt work for me...

> In combo with Citra / Galaxy I have tried - Mosiac, Azacca, Amarillo, Simcoe, Centennial, Denali, and Citra/Galaxy 1:1. ----- Nothing comes close to Citra / Denali / Galaxy.....TRY IT. My hop schedule is now 1:1:2 on the two dryhops with the double dose going to the “feature” hops.

> With the upped dry hops I am at ~16oz hops per batch. According to Brewcipher - 1oz of hops = 0.025 gal of loss….do the math 16oz = ~50oz of volume loss. Now that I account for this I am finally getting full 5 gal kegs.

> I adjusted the grain bill to shoot for a ABV to 7%, seems like the best balance of malt hops (considering the extra doses in the dryhops). Also once I upped the hops - the head gained stability


PROCESS

> Dryhopping both rounds in the primary = more drinkable beer in keg with no appreciable loss in flavor / aroma --- assuming drink whole keg in under a month. Plus less risk for oxidation off flavors

> I have been on a "witch hunt" for a "off-flavor" in the recipe - tried everything, finally figured it out today - oxidation in draft lines. Happens literally overnight. Have 8ft lines of the barrier stuff and still get it. I toss the first 2-3 oz of the pour at beginning of nightly session - no more wet cardboard flavor.

> I use Seidel fermentor with a spout mounted to the top as well. I attach a blow off tube to that spout until day 3 (fermentation almost finished). Add dry hop #1 through the top, remove blow off and seal top spout. (This is my first step of avoiding oxygen exposure).

> At day 3 the SG is almost always 1.018-1.020. I don’t bother checking before then.

> Stalled fermentation? - skip all the “tricks” - go straight to amylase powder (NOT Beano). Amylase works every time without fail, takes 5-7 days to work its magic though. I kept getting crappy attenuation with 1318 (60-65%). Amylase got it to 70-75% every time. Since switching to Conan yeast, I haven’t had the need to use this though.

> On day 10 I add dry hop #2. I have a open hose attached to my CO2 tank, set pressure around 10lbs. As I remove the top spout, I place that hose in the top of the fermentor and leave it there as I quickly pour in the hops. (Got this idea from growler filling stations). I reseal the top then attach the hose to the BOTTOM spout open it up and bubble in some CO2 from the bottom to pressurize the fermentor back. (step 2 of avoiding oxygen)

> After two days dry hop # 2, I cold crash at 40 degree. The pressure that was introduced in the previous step stabilizes the air pressure after cooling. .

> To purge keg I fill completely with sanitized water and then pour out entire keg through draft line (simultaneously cleaning draft lines). I do use a lot of CO2 but no oxygen hits my beer. Once the keg “blows”, I detach it from the lines and set it upside down for about 30min to allow the sanitizer foam to settle. I pick it up, leaving it upside down and pull the pressure release valve. This blows all of the remaining sanitizer liquid out of the PRV. I hold open until nothing but gas escapes (step 3 of avoiding oxygen)

> Closed transfer to keg, attach CO2 hose to top spout turn on the gas then open top spout, attach transfer line from bottom spout to “out” line of keg then open bottom spout (step 4 of avoiding oxygen)

EQUIPMENT

> I use the clear draught system and love it. By the time the beer is chilled and carbed up I am pouring “clear” beer from first pint to the last

> I brew with the Grainfather system. I use an aluminum heat wand to warm sparge water and then drop it in the boil to make it more vigorous. I use a large diameter (8”) hop spider. I stuff stainless steel scrubber inside the pump filter because the black stopper always pops off.

Good stuff.

One question, when you bubble CO2 through the bottom spout, doesn't beer come out or there's enough CO2 pressure to prevent that?

Also curious why you don't keg hop if using the cleardraught system...seems the clarity piece wouldn't be an issue.

 

[plazola86]

Thanks for the quick reply. Do you filter from fermentor to keg? If so, does the 100 micron filter remove the fine pellet hop material from those first few pours? It is NOT my goal to have clear beer, just want to filter out the fine pellet hop material during transfer to the keg. I don't want to go with a tighter mesh than necessary to avoid clogging the filter. BTW, I do cold crash but have to move the carboy out of the refrigerator before transfer for racking cane clearance which can stir things up slightly.

The 100 micron removes everything but still leaves all the good stuff IMO. I don't get hop matter in any of my first pours and I don't cold crash. They have been pouring like this since the first one!
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[ttuato]

Good stuff.

One question, when you bubble CO2 through the bottom spout, doesn't beer come out or there's enough CO2 pressure to prevent that?

Also curious why you don't keg hop if using the cleardraught system...seems the clarity piece wouldn't be an issue.

Pressure is enough to keep beer from spilling. I turn it on 5lbs or so. This is something I picked up from the Heady clone thread - works on the Speidel just like a conical.

I ran about a dozen or so with hops in the keg and the cleardeaught. I would have some beer left over in the fermentor after transferring to the keg that went to waste. Meanwhile, I would end of with about a half gallon of un drinkable beer from the hops at the end of the keg. Putting two & teo together - it just made sense to switch. After reading that Braufessor started dryhopping this way - It was a no brainer. Another benefit that I realized after doing this was I could truly have a oxygen free transfer to keg from fermentor. I have not experienced any appreciable loss in aroma or taste. My kegs lastabout a month, so I dont have any long term data. Funny thing is I purchased cleardraught exactly for dryhopping in keg....oh well....

 

[Hannabrew]

Pressure is enough to keep beer from spilling. I turn it on 5lbs or so. This is something I picked up from the Heady clone thread - works on the Speidel just like a conical.

I ran about a dozen or so with hops in the keg and the cleardeaught. I would have some beer left over in the fermentor after transferring to the keg that went to waste. Meanwhile, I would end of with about a half gallon of un drinkable beer from the hops at the end of the keg. Putting two & teo together - it just made sense to switch. After reading that Braufessor started dryhopping this way - It was a no brainer. Another benefit that I realized after doing this was I could truly have a oxygen free transfer to keg from fermentor. I have not experienced any appreciable loss in aroma or taste. My kegs lastabout a month, so I dont have any long term data. Funny thing is I purchased cleardraught exactly for dryhopping in keg....oh well....

Makes sense. Braufessor, I was under the impression you added your 2nd DH in the keg...am I mistaken?

I would love to add both to the primary for O2 free kegging but is it any different when you're opening the fermentor cap to add the 2nd round (assuming fermentation is complete by then)?

 

[Braufessor]

Makes sense. Braufessor, I was under the impression you added your 2nd DH in the keg...am I mistaken?

I would love to add both to the primary for O2 free kegging but is it any different when you're opening the fermentor cap to add the 2nd round (assuming fermentation is complete by then)?

Last couple months, after others have indicated success, I have added both during primary...... I have not noticed any particular drop off doing that. I will maybe do some head to head this summer to see if there is any pro/con to either method.

 

[Hannabrew]

Last couple months, after others have indicated success, I have added both during primary...... I have not noticed any particular drop off doing that. I will maybe do some head to head this summer to see if there is any pro/con to either method.

Interesting. Maybe I'll give that a try this time.

Might also couple that with adding some santized dextrose water to the fermenter just prior to transfer to scrub any excess O2 in the keg since I will never have to open the lid.

 

[Cavpilot2000]

Last couple months, after others have indicated success, I have added both during primary...... I have not noticed any particular drop off doing that. I will maybe do some head to head this summer to see if there is any pro/con to either method.

So you're still adding two additions, just both in the primary, or you've combined them into one addition (in the primary).

 

[MerlinWerks]

If you could crash before I don't think you'll have a problem. The bigger pieces should settle down. The 100 micron is plenty small and pretty much filters everything though. I was thinking of getting a smaller micron filter but I think 100 is the perfect size. I have read people lose flavor and aroma the tighter it is but I'm not sure if that's true or not.

Do you have a part number for the filter you bought? Vacmotion lists their filters in "mesh" sizes, so I'm assuming you bought the 100 mesh filter which is 80 microns.

 

[plazola86]

Do you have a part number for the filter you bought? Vacmotion lists their filters in "mesh" sizes, so I'm assuming you bought the 100 mesh filter which is 80 microns.

80 or 100 mesh would work well. Thinking back I actually did go with 80 mesh which is 170 micron. Still catches everything while letting the good stuff go through. I would also suggest going with the "regular" or bigger size to give you more filter area.

 

[Braufessor]

So you're still adding two additions, just both in the primary, or you've combined them into one addition (in the primary).

Yes - they have been two additions.... although I have been thinking about maybe just doing one to see how that is.

I did do a single whirl pool addition (6 ounces) at under 140 degrees or under on my current two batches.

 

[mintyice]

This is probably silly, but has anyone tried Hochkurz mashing these?

 

[Cavpilot2000]

This is probably silly, but has anyone tried Hochkurz mashing these?

I haven't tried yet, but I've been doing a lot of Hochkurz lately for German lagers, and I may try it on my next NEIPA. I'm not sure what advantages it may offer for this style, but I'm game to try.

 

[BaylessBrewer]

Been in the keg almost 7 weeks and just as hazy today as it was going into the keg. View attachment ImageUploadedByHome Brew1494272075.291037.jpg

 

[stickyfinger]

> In combo with Citra / Galaxy I have tried - Mosiac, Azacca, Amarillo, Simcoe, Centennial, Denali, and Citra/Galaxy 1:1. ----- Nothing comes close to Citra / Denali / Galaxy.....TRY IT. My hop schedule is now 1:1:2 on the two dryhops with the double dose going to the “feature” hops.

> With the upped dry hops I am at ~16oz hops per batch. According to Brewcipher - 1oz of hops = 0.025 gal of loss….do the math 16oz = ~50oz of volume loss. Now that I account for this I am finally getting full 5 gal kegs.

Thanks for the post. Always looking for new hop combinations. I did a 100% Denali that was pure pineapple to my taste, but I have been wanting to use it in an auxiliary role. I want to find something that might rival the C:M:G combo. My favorite by far is the C:M:G in 1:1:1, but I also really enjoyed a Mosaic single-hop version, very complex hop. I might have to try your Citraenali:Galaxy. How many hops are you adding for the hopstand vs the dryhop? I had settled on 12 oz in the dry hop with no kettle hops at all, but after doing a couple hop stands, I am wondering if they are better overall.

 

[mintyice]

Thanks for the post. Always looking for new hop combinations. I did a 100% Denali that was pure pineapple to my taste, but I have been wanting to use it in an auxiliary role. I want to find something that might rival the C:M:G combo. My favorite by far is the C:M:G in 1:1:1, but I also really enjoyed a Mosaic single-hop version, very complex hop. I might have to try your Citraenali:Galaxy. How many hops are you adding for the hopstand vs the dryhop? I had settled on 12 oz in the dry hop with no kettle hops at all, but after doing a couple hop stands, I am wondering if they are better overall.

are you still messing with your top secret mashing regime?

 

[stickyfinger]

are you still messing with your top secret mashing regime?

ha ha ha. i have done some mashes at 155F for old times sake! I have noticed for the beers with 155F mash that I am getting a lot better head retention than at 165F. However, I also have used some late kettle hops/hopstand with them, so I can't say for sure what increased the head. I am now wondering if the higher mash temp is detrimental to head. Otherwise, it seems like a great option for lower ABV from the same OG. Hope to play around some more in the coming months.

 

[craftbrewguru]

this beer looks incredible, what grain bill are you going with for this recipe?

The 100 micron removes everything but still leaves all the good stuff IMO. I don't get hop matter in any of my first pours and I don't cold crash. They have been pouring like this since the first one!
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[doublebogey10]

I believe it was an American variety. My LHBS had 2 varieties, both with the same characteristics. One was about a dollar more per pound so I went with the cheaper one. I'm guessing the more expensive one was imported but neither one said the country of origin or brand name.

Mine only carries German and Belgian. But I've used a North American type (Briess?) on a basic pale ale once and I liked how it turned out. And there's a brewery that I like that apparently uses a domestic pilsner as their base malt. So, just curious how it might apply to this style.

 

[marjen]

My latest batch! So good.

 

[ttuato]

Thanks for the post. Always looking for new hop combinations. I did a 100% Denali that was pure pineapple to my taste, but I have been wanting to use it in an auxiliary role. I want to find something that might rival the C:M:G combo. My favorite by far is the C:M:G in 1:1:1, but I also really enjoyed a Mosaic single-hop version, very complex hop. I might have to try your Citraenali:Galaxy. How many hops are you adding for the hopstand vs the dryhop? I had settled on 12 oz in the dry hop with no kettle hops at all, but after doing a couple hop stands, I am wondering if they are better overall.

6oz total in whirlpool - split 3oz each at 180 degrees and another at 140 degrees 1:1:1. - hold each for 15mins

8oz total in dryhop - split 4oz each at Day 3, then another at day 10. 1:1:2 (feature hop gets 2oz)

The consensus in every "experiment" that I have read about WP vs DH has been that doing both WP & DH results in fuller / brighter / more aromatic beer. All subjective findings mind you, but I am too lazy to do the experiment myself though - I have gotten my process nailed down with doing both so I just stick with it.

 

[Pyg]

What is the consensus on Yeast?

 

[plazola86]

this beer looks incredible, what grain bill are you going with for this recipe?

75% 2 row
10% flaked oats
10% white wheat
3.5% Munich
1.5% honey

I always shoot for these or close to these percentages. The color comes from the Munich, this beer literally glows in the sun. I have tried using crystals for color but do not like the color it gives the beer. Without the Munich you get a lighter yellow color. This has been my best beer yet!

 

[stickyfinger]

What is the consensus on Yeast?

I know that people have used WY1272, Conan, WLP095, WLP002/S04, WLP007, and WY1318 at least. I am a big fan of WLP095 and Conan and a slightly lesser fan of WY1318. I think it becomes a matter of personal preference at some point. WLP095 and Conan are pretty similar to me unless you can coax out a lot of peachiness from the Conan somehow. I don't like Chico as much as it comes off as more bitter/dry and clarifies quicker. The yeasts I've heard discussed most with positive results around here are Conan, WY1272, WLP007, and WY1318.

 

[stickyfinger]

6oz total in whirlpool - split 3oz each at 180 degrees and another at 140 degrees 1:1:1. - hold each for 15mins

8oz total in dryhop - split 4oz each at Day 3, then another at day 10. 1:1:2 (feature hop gets 2oz)

The consensus in every "experiment" that I have read about WP vs DH has been that doing both WP & DH results in fuller / brighter / more aromatic beer. All subjective findings mind you, but I am too lazy to do the experiment myself though - I have gotten my process nailed down with doing both so I just stick with it.

Yes, I know how you feel. I want to experiment, but I end up getting lazy or not wanting a large amount of the "same" beer. I need to just do a split batch to test out the dryhop vs hopstand thing. maybe i'll do it with the CMG combo so I have a lot of awesome beer!

 

[Pyg]

I know that people have used WY1272, Conan, WLP095, WLP002/S04, WLP007, and WY1318 at least. I am a big fan of WLP095 and Conan and a slightly lesser fan of WY1318. I think it becomes a matter of personal preference at some point. WLP095 and Conan are pretty similar to me unless you can coax out a lot of peachiness from the Conan somehow. I don't like Chico as much as it comes off as more bitter/dry and clarifies quicker. The yeasts I've heard discussed most with positive results around here are Conan, WY1272, WLP007, and WY1318.

Maybe I am a Noob,
But not sure what strain "Conan" is, unless you are referring to Omega OYL-052 dipa Yeast?

 

[Tarpon87]

Maybe I am a Noob,
But not sure what strain "Conan" is, unless you are referring to Omega OYL-052 dipa Yeast?

The omega dipa is a Conan strain although there are others that sell it as well. Ill be making a red NEIPA Saturday using the OYL-052, never used it before.
My first NEIPA I did following Braufessor's updated grain bill I used 1272 and it was awesome. Wouldn't hesitate to use it again for a beer like this.