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[crusader1612]

Cheers for the advice. I've got a fair amount of hops in the freezer, so though I'd go nuts. 320g in 23L, should be good enough ya reckon?

I think that'll be plenty. Best use alot of late hops. From 15-0 I did a nice buttering at 60 then another at 30 then did 15-10-5-0 in hot whirlpool. Then 2 dry hops as well kettle hops were 120 IBU. Mines more red IIPA.

Had my racist Frenchman last night. Holy crap it's good

 

[NZLunchie]

I think that'll be plenty. Best use alot of late hops. From 15-0 I did a nice buttering at 60 then another at 30 then did 15-10-5-0 in hot whirlpool. Then 2 dry hops as well kettle hops were 120 IBU. Mines more red IIPA.

Had my racist Frenchman last night. Holy crap it's good

Should work out alright

1.2 g/L Simcoe (12.6% Alpha) @ 60
1.2 g/L Simcoe (12.6% Alpha) @ 45
1.2 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 30
1.4 g/L Cascade (9.5% Alpha) @ 15
1.2 g/L Cascade (9.5% Alpha) @ 10
1.2 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 10
1.3 g/L Nelson Sauvin (12% Alpha) @ 10
2.8 g/L Cascade (9.5% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes
1.4 g/L Centennial (9.5% Alpha) @ Dry Hop
1.2 g/L Nelson Sauvin (12% Alpha) @ Dry Hop

You keen for a beer swap?

 

[mac-the-brewer]

I bottled my second attempt at an Epic clone the other day ... even tasted about right! I'm now thinking that I need to do another brew, but what to do? What is a Red IIPA, and what type of beer is the Racist Frenchman?

 

[crusader1612]

Should work out alright

1.2 g/L Simcoe (12.6% Alpha) @ 60
1.2 g/L Simcoe (12.6% Alpha) @ 45
1.2 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 30
1.4 g/L Cascade (9.5% Alpha) @ 15
1.2 g/L Cascade (9.5% Alpha) @ 10
1.2 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 10
1.3 g/L Nelson Sauvin (12% Alpha) @ 10
2.8 g/L Cascade (9.5% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes
1.4 g/L Centennial (9.5% Alpha) @ Dry Hop
1.2 g/L Nelson Sauvin (12% Alpha) @ Dry Hop

You keen for a beer swap?

Most definitely, would be good to try some of those beers you keep talking about. I'll even throw in one of my last Gunslingers graf's, lol. I think the plan will be to do the swap, when your IIPA is done and we can swap accordingly, along with maybe another brew?

I bottled my second attempt at an Epic clone the other day ... even tasted about right! I'm now thinking that I need to do another brew, but what to do? What is a Red IIPA, and what type of beer is the Racist Frenchman?

Red IIPa, is what I've kinda called my Double IPa, its similar to the like of Hop Zombie, Tuataras Double Trouble, and 8 wireds Hopwired and Superconducter. It's just a bit darker than those ones.
the other place is the recipe advice thread, and what are you brewing on realbeer, there heap of recipes on those threads, which have been created, by the more experienced guys, who know how flavours meld together etc.

My Racist Frenchman, I have renamed "Code Brown" But its a Saison/Belgian Brown, using 3711 yeast. and some simple darker malts to create a nice brown beers, witha red hue to it. Recipe is Partial Mash and is on my blog. If you did end up doing it, I'd be interested to try the difference.
If your looking for recipes theres heaps on here, or try Can you brew it for plenty of recipes, they even have 8wired iStout

 

[sockmerchant]

ooooh.... brown saison sounds good.

I need to brew some more saison. Ran out recently. There's a few things i want to try with saisons.

One, I want to try and do something along the lines of xx bitter by De ranke.

I dont want to clone it, just get something along those lines. Will be doing a saison thats hopped like an apa/ipa. I am still undecided on hops, but keen to see how this kinda hopping schedule will work out using noble hops.

secondly, I want to do a standard saison, then do a secondary fermentation with brett (or maybe at bottling time). I acquired some brett (accidentally) in some bottles of a Tripel I brewed a while ago. There may be some other stuff in there... who knows. Definite horse blanket/barnyard going on there. I've been looking for an excuse to see what i can do with it. Might do a split batch and dose half and leave the rest. See how different they turn out.

I also want to do a really dark saison. Something along the lines of THIS

 

[crusader1612]

ooooh.... brown saison sounds good.

I need to brew some more saison. Ran out recently. There's a few things i want to try with saisons.

One, I want to try and do something along the lines of xx bitter by De ranke.

I dont want to clone it, just get something along those lines. Will be doing a saison thats hopped like an apa/ipa. I am still undecided on hopes, but keen to see how this kinda hopping schedule will work out using noble hops.

secondly, I want to do a standard saison, then do a secondary fermentation with brett (or maybe at bottling time). I acquired some brett (accidentally) in some bottles of a Tripel I brewed a while ago. There may be some other stuff in there... who knows. Definite horse blanket/barnyard going on there. I've been looking for an excuse to see what i can do with it. Might do a split batch and dose half and leave the rest. See how different they turn out.

I also want to do a really dark saison. Something along the lines of THIS

Yeah The brown saison is good used 3711 too which kinda makes it I think. I took inspiration from our friend the mad fermentationist And used elements of his light and dark saisons

I've got a belgian IPA coming up later in the year so I'm planning on splitting some wort off with 3711. Your plan sounds good

 

[sockmerchant]

I like 3711, but think I prefer the Dupont strain (Belgian Saison 3724). People say its a pain in the ass, but I've never had it finish higher than 1.005.

I also like WLP566

At some point I'd like to give Wyeast 3725 and Wyeast 3726 a go too.

 

[NZLunchie]

Most definitely, would be good to try some of those beers you keep talking about. I'll even throw in one of my last Gunslingers graf's, lol. I think the plan will be to do the swap, when your IIPA is done and we can swap accordingly, along with maybe another brew?

Sounds good.
I don't have much in stock - summer has been hot :cross:
Flick me a PM on here or on the blog and we can sort something out

 

[crusader1612]

Sounds good.
I don't have much in stock - summer has been hot :cross:
Flick me a PM on here or on the blog and we can sort something out

Will do.
Hey I notice your getting pretty good efficiency? Any Ideas why that is?? Where are you getting your malts from these days? Your still BIAB with no sparge right?

 

[sockmerchant]

Ok! I have my stuff ready for a belgian sour. I am still trying to decide exactly what I want to brew, but I think its going to be an oud bruin. The plan is to start fermentation with US-05, then 2 days later, I'll pitch the bugs. I will be using White LAbs WLP665.

"Blended culture used to produce the classic beer styles of the West Flanders region of Belgium . A proprietary blend of Saccharomyces yeasts, Brettanomyces, Lactobacillus, and Pediococcus, this culture creates a more complex, dark stone fruit characteristic than WLP 655 Belgian Sour Mix."

Sounds good to me. Who the hell knows how this will turn out. Guess we'll see in a year!

 

[NZLunchie]

Will do.
Hey I notice your getting pretty good efficiency? Any Ideas why that is?? Where are you getting your malts from these days? Your still BIAB with no sparge right?

Yeah hitting well above 70% each time, so I think I need to lower my malts a tad to compensate!
I'm getting all my gear from Darrin and Narelle at Craft Brewing Ltd. Brilliant crush and decent price on the gear as well.
Yep still BIAB, but I do sparge.

• Hit strike temp
• Mash in
• Rest
• Drain
• Sparge in the bag to boil volume

I put down the efficiency to the crush and the bag. I've gone from using a fine mesh like swiss voile to using a coarser mesh and my boil pot seems to be a wider pot, not sure if that helps any, but could be a mix up of all of them.

 

[crusader1612]

Yeah hitting well above 70% each time, so I think I need to lower my malts a tad to compensate!
I'm getting all my gear from Darrin and Narelle at Craft Brewing Ltd. Brilliant crush and decent price on the gear as well.
Yep still BIAB, but I do sparge.


[*]Hit strike temp
[*]Mash in
[*]Rest
[*]Drain
[*]Sparge in the bag to boil volume


I put down the efficiency to the crush and the bag. I've gone from using a fine mesh like swiss voile to using a coarser mesh and my boil pot seems to be a wider pot, not sure if that helps any, but could be a mix up of all of them.

Sparge in the bag?? How does that process work. I'm trying to nail a better efficiency.

Will have to try craftbrewing been doing brewshop mainly. And my efficiency seems to vary a little bit

Might be time to think about my own mill?

 

[NZLunchie]

Sparge in the bag?? How does that process work. I'm trying to nail a better efficiency.

Will have to try craftbrewing been doing brewshop mainly. And my efficiency seems to vary a little bit

Might be time to think about my own mill?

I pull the bag out the 'mashtun', put it in my fermentation bucket, pour the wort through the bag, then 'sparge' with hotter water while holding the bag out of the bucket. Requires 2 people, or a hoist if you've got one to hold the bag while you pour hotter water through the bag/grains.
Once I hit boil volume into the kettle it goes.

 

[crusader1612]

I pull the bag out the 'mashtun', put it in my fermentation bucket, pour the wort through the bag, then 'sparge' with hotter water while holding the bag out of the bucket. Requires 2 people, or a hoist if you've got one to hold the bag while you pour hotter water through the bag/grains.
Once I hit boil volume into the kettle it goes.

Cool, i might have to try it, i normally pour hotter water through the bag as a mini sparge, tried just laying it in hot water and "poking it" for 10 mins while I bring it up to the boil.

Just to clarify, you put you bag in a bucket pour your wort through it add back to kettle, and add hot water to the grains while bringing it to the boil? Or am I way wrong?

 

[NZLunchie]

Cool, i might have to try it, i normally pour hotter water through the bag as a mini sparge, tried just laying it in hot water and "poking it" for 10 mins while I bring it up to the boil.

Just to clarify, you put you bag in a bucket pour your wort through it add back to kettle, and add hot water to the grains while bringing it to the boil? Or am I way wrong?

Nah I keep it all in the bucket until I have my boil volume then transfer to the kettle.

So I let the grains soak for an hour or however long the mash is for.
Left out the bag, sit it in the bucket, pour the wort through the grains.
Lift the bag slightly, then sparge the water through the top of the bag and let it drain through into the bucket, collecting X litres for boil.

Check out the pics here: http://manawabrew.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/brew-day-done/ Look for the recirculating the cheats way photo - thats pouring the wort already gathered through the grains, before 'sparging'

I did try and just let the bag soak in the hotter water for a while, but it didn't have the same effect as how I do it now.

 

[crusader1612]

Nah I keep it all in the bucket until I have my boil volume then transfer to the kettle.

So I let the grains soak for an hour or however long the mash is for.
Left out the bag, sit it in the bucket, pour the wort through the grains.
Lift the bag slightly, then sparge the water through the top of the bag and let it drain through into the bucket, collecting X litres for boil.

Check out the pics here: http://manawabrew.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/brew-day-done/ Look for the recirculating the cheats way photo - thats pouring the wort already gathered through the grains, before 'sparging'

I did try and just let the bag soak in the hotter water for a while, but it didn't have the same effect as how I do it now.

Yeah soaking it, gave me my gravity at 75% efficiency for my IIPA, which I was hoping for higher, but I'm ok with that.

I'll give that way a go next brew I do, sounds like a good idea.

My first recipe post on here: https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f71/code-brown-brown-saison-391822/#post4927288

 

[sockmerchant]

You need a tulip glass you heathen

 

[NZLunchie]

Yeah soaking it, gave me my gravity at 75% efficiency for my IIPA, which I was hoping for higher, but I'm ok with that.

I'll give that way a go next brew I do, sounds like a good idea.

My first recipe post on here: https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f71/code-brown-brown-saison-391822/#post4927288

Grats on the recipe. I think I'll need to brew another Saison. The rhubarb is bust unless you dam near freeze it - waaay over carbed. Hot garage + fermentation/carbonation = bottle bombs

You need a tulip glass you heathen

LoL, I tend to use a wine glass for most of the beers I drink. Wide nose, full glass. Usually get all the right notes.

 

[sockmerchant]

I use wine glasses for my initial tasting of my brews. After that, my belgian beers (90% of what i brew) go into tulip glasses. Tends to be either Duvel glasses:

Or Leffe glasses:

 

[crusader1612]

You need a tulip glass you heathen

You mean like this?
Don't knock the Emersons glass.... .

 

[MacrosNZ]

Getting there..

 

[NZLunchie]

Nice work, I don't have any flowers as yet.....

 

[Pkrd]

Hey lunchie are you entering the Marton harvest comp?

http://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/eve...l-beer-brewing-competition?xg_source=activity

 

[NZLunchie]

Hey lunchie are you entering the Marton harvest comp?

http://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/eve...l-beer-brewing-competition?xg_source=activity

Didn't see that. Might be a goer! You entering?

 

[Pkrd]

Might head over, I'll see if there's anything half drinkable left in the cupboard next month.

 

[NZLunchie]

Might head over, I'll see if there's anything half drinkable left in the cupboard next month.

I think that'll be my problem as well

 

[NZLunchie]

Managed to get a deal on some hops.
Thoughts on this for an IIPA, calculates to 134 IBU:

29g Citra (FWH)
29g Simcoe (45 min)
29g Sauvin (30 min)
35g Cascade (15 min)
29g Sauvin (10 min)
29g Cascade (10 min)
29g Motueka (10 min)

64g Citra (Dry Hop)
35g Cascade (Dry Hop)
35g Motueka (Dry Hop)

 

[sockmerchant]

Personally, I think you have too much going on there. I'd ditch one variety. Just looking at what you have, I'd probably say citra (one of my fave's!) as it seems the odd one out.

If it were me, I'd do one with Sauvin, Simcoe during the boil and citra for dry hop.

Up to you of course. In my own experience, I have found using too much tends muddy up the hop character.

 

[crusader1612]

Kind oif agree with Sock, Personally I'd ditch the motueka though. and maybe move the simcoe to the first addition? and put your citra at 10 mins. the other thing I'd do is not bother withthe 45min addition.
Stick with Sauvin, citra and cascade, they all tend to meld together quite well from what I've read. Like I said in a previous post, big late additions give that great IIPA Flavour, cos its basically a big hop Bomb. What about a double dryhop as well?

 

[NZLunchie]

Personally, I think you have too much going on there. I'd ditch one variety. Just looking at what you have, I'd probably say citra (one of my fave's!) as it seems the odd one out.

If it were me, I'd do one with Sauvin, Simcoe during the boil and citra for dry hop.

Up to you of course. In my own experience, I have found using too much tends muddy up the hop character.

Cheers - I might end up doing a couple of brews. and just have a play. Same malt back bone, different hops. I REALLY wanna play with Citra. I've heard good and bad (cat piss) so wanna see what all the fuss is about.

Kind oif agree with Sock, Personally I'd ditch the motueka though. and maybe move the simcoe to the first addition? and put your citra at 10 mins. the other thing I'd do is not bother withthe 45min addition.
Stick with Sauvin, citra and cascade, they all tend to meld together quite well from what I've read. Like I said in a previous post, big late additions give that great IIPA Flavour, cos its basically a big hop Bomb. What about a double dryhop as well?

Motueka has to be one of my all time favourite hops, so might do an APA with it instead...

Thanks for the input lads, I"ll keep you posted with how it turns out, when its brewed