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So I brewed this on 10/4/20. BIAB. Had a great time maxing out the capacity of my 12 gallon SS Brewtech kettle to handle almost 23 lbs of grain. Had to do a "batch sparge" in a separate kettle. Lots of hops, tried to stay true to the recipe with only a few minor tweaks for my system requirements. OG 1.089 but FG 1.012 so almost 10.2% abv! Tapped today and couldn't resist a small sample. Super fruity, great aroma. Impressive body due to the abv. The alcohol warmth is subtle so it will be dangerous...in a good way :). @Dgallo thank you for the recipe! I'll take a better picture when the sun is out, this thing will glow orange:
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So I brewed this on 10/4/20. BIAB. Had a great time maxing out the capacity of my 12 gallon SS Brewtech kettle to handle almost 23 lbs of grain. Had to do a "batch sparge" in a separate kettle. Lots of hops, tried to stay true to the recipe with only a few minor tweaks for my system requirements. OG 1.089 but FG 1.012 so almost 10.2% abv! Tapped today and couldn't resist a small sample. Super fruity, great aroma. Impressive body due to the abv. The alcohol warmth is subtle so it will be dangerous...in a good way :). @Dgallo thank you for the recipe! I'll take a better picture when the sun is out, this thing will glow orange:
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I’m glad you’re enjoying it so far. Looks great already but I Can’t wait to see a sunlight photo!
 

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Brewed this base recipe a couple of weeks ago using Vic, Citra, Galaxy. Also, instead of using my regular yeast (usually 1318), I pitched a built up starter from a bunch of cans of Treehouse. Fermentation seemed to go great, but we'll see. I'll be kegging Thursday or Friday this week.
 

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Brewed this base recipe a couple of weeks ago using Vic, Citra, Galaxy. Also, instead of using my regular yeast (usually 1318), I pitched a built up starter from a bunch of cans of Treehouse. Fermentation seemed to go great, but we'll see. I'll be kegging Thursday or Friday this week.
Interested to see how this turns out. People don’t seem to have much luck with harvested TH yeast since it’s a blend. Hopefully you have better luck.
 

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Interested to see how this turns out. People don’t seem to have much luck with harvested TH yeast since it’s a blend. Hopefully you have better luck.
That's what I was afraid of from reading the Treehouse yeast analysis thread all this time, but decided to give it a shot anyways. We'll see in a couple of days!
 

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I haven't had many TIPAs. I think I had one like 6 yrs ago, lol. I remember it being very sweet. I didn't really like it. I am going to be brewing a belgian golden strong ale soon and was wondering if I could turn half of it into a big IIPA or TIPA? I usually do a 1.050 wort of 100% Pils, ferment that out and then add in a very strong dextrose syrup to get the real OG up to 1.070, so my BGSA comes out around 8%.

What do you think it would be like if I took half of the wort at 1.050, fermented it out with A24 and then added in enough dextrose syrup to get it up to the 9% ABV range. Do you think it would be good? too dry?

My BGSAs have a fantastic malty flavor and the alcohol makes it seem sweeter than it is. I was hoping maybe I could replicate this with the big IPA, but maybe it would come out dry and astringent despite the high alcohol? Anyone make a high dextrose version of big IPA?
 

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@Dgallo _ what would you dsay would make a good substotute for Riwaka (as its difficult to get)?

thanks!!
 
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@Dgallo _ what would you dsay would make a good substotute for Riwaka (as its difficult to get)?

thanks!!
Galaxy, Mosaic, strata, maybe switch the ratio up a little and hit it with Sabro. Nothing will replace the Riwaka in the flavor profile but any of those will work well with Citra and Nelson
 

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Galaxy, Mosaic, strata, maybe switch the ratio up a little and hit it with Sabro. Nothing will replace the Riwaka in the flavor profile but any of those will work well with Citra and Nelson
Thank you for this! You reckon maybe Motueka or Wai-iti would also do the trick?
 

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Question about the white wheat here, is it white wheat malt, or something else?

Thanks, looking forward to giving this a try.
 
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Question about the white wheat here, is it white wheat malt, or something else?

Thanks, looking forward to giving this a try.
White wheat malt.
 

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Another question, are you still waiting for complete fermentation, then doing a crash before the first dry hop?
 

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Sounds good... all the rest of the stuff I need is on order. Looking forward to getting this one in the fermenter.
 

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Grain bill
17lbs - Pilsner
3lbs - Malted Oats
2lbs - White Wheat
0.75lb - Honey Malt
1lb - dextrose
(My efficiency is around 63-65% on a grainbill this big so you’ll have to adjust for your big beer efficiency)

Mash @153*f for 60 mins Ph 5.35

Water Profile:
Ca: 92
Mg: 9
Cl: 162
Na: 71
So4: 106

Hops:
Riwaka - 7 oz
Nelson - 5 oz
Citra - 3 oz
Columbus - 2 oz

Yeast - Imperial A24 - dryhop

Hop Schedule:
- 1.0oz Columbus @ 60 mins
- 1.0oz Columbus @ 10 mins

Hopstand/whirlpool:
- 3.0 oz Riwaka @ 160*f
- 2.0 oz Nelson @ 160*f

Dryhop(2 stage):
4 days left to cold crash
- 2.0 oz Riwaka
- 1.5 oz Nelson
- 1.5 oz Citra

2 days left to cold crash
- 2.0 oz Riwaka
- 1.5 oz Nelson
- 1.5 oz Citra

Set for 2.5 vols of co2
Let condition for 2 weeks before first pour.

Use anti-oxygen best practices for your system for dryhoping, transferring, and kegging.
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Before brewing this beer I had a very difficult time finding quality resources or recipes on this style. So I based this off my own experience and modeled it after Other Half and Equilibrium TIPAS

I’m very happy to share this recipe with the community. This beer came out amazing and the hop combo was exceptional. The hops pop with lots of tropical fruit, citrus, and white wine but have beautiful undertones of earth and dankness to add a well rounded complexity. The alcohol is very well hidden and the mouthfeel is pillow soft.

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OK, so Im finally able to start planning one of these myself and wanted to pick your brain on the grain bill. FWIW, Ive only gone as high as ~8.2%ABV on my NEIPAs for comparison. Question: I love the slickness (which to me helps for the "juicy" mouthfeel) of flaked oats. Why'd ya go with all malted oats in this one? My usual right now is that I like is a blend of white wheat, flaked oats and malted oats for 7.5-8.0% ABV beers. Ive actually scaled back my malted oats recently because Ive found that malted can tend to give a little more "burn"? (not sure if thats the right word). The downside, IMO of the flaked oats, is that in my limited experience flaked oats kills head retention. So just curious on your thoughts of the balance of the oats/wheat mixture.
 

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I just brewed what I'd consider a double NEIPA. It finished at 8.7% ABV Here is my grain bill. This was inspired by the other NEIPA thread, but I increased the grains to bump the ABV. I just tapped this a couple days ago, admittedly it is still a bit "green" and could use some more time to finish. The lactose contributes to mouthfeel. Cannot really comment on head retention as it's still a bit under carb'd, but it's not great at the moment so there could be something to your point about the flaked oats. Aside from this, I am pleased with how it turned out.

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OK, so Im finally able to start planning one of these myself and wanted to pick your brain on the grain bill. FWIW, Ive only gone as high as ~8.2%ABV on my NEIPAs for comparison. Question: I love the slickness (which to me helps for the "juicy" mouthfeel) of flaked oats. Why'd ya go with all malted oats in this one? My usual right now is that I like is a blend of white wheat, flaked oats and malted oats for 7.5-8.0% ABV beers. Ive actually scaled back my malted oats recently because Ive found that malted can tend to give a little more "burn"? (not sure if thats the right word). The downside, IMO of the flaked oats, is that in my limited experience flaked oats kills head retention. So just curious on your thoughts of the balance of the oats/wheat mixture.
When using oats in ipa , mostly of the time I used malted oat verses flaked. I perfer the mouthfeel of malted oats verses flaked oats. Also you can go up higher in percentage with malted vs. flaked and not have issues with stuck sparges because of the husk. Malted oats have smaller molecular proteins chains so the haze is more stable and won’t floc out as quickly because it has less molecular weight. I will say that there is definitely a greater risk of getting hopburn due to this but with the proper process you already use for dryhoping, do the same here.

With the oat/wheat percentages, ive been back and forth. I think I actually prefer more wheat verses oats. I haven’t remade this doing that though.

My biggest word of advice is efficiency drops as gravity increases, so plan accordingly. Alcohol brings sweetness so don’t be afraid to give it at least 60 ibus. Other than that, you’re making a NEIPA with more grain, so use all the proper practices you use on those beers
 
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Brewed this base recipe a couple of weeks ago using Vic, Citra, Galaxy. Also, instead of using my regular yeast (usually 1318), I pitched a built up starter from a bunch of cans of Treehouse. Fermentation seemed to go great, but we'll see. I'll be kegging Thursday or Friday this week.
How did this beer turn out?
 

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@Dgallo I'm looking to brew a DIPA version of your recipe this week. Scaling the recipe down how many IBUs would you go with? Currently if got it at 70, do you think that would work or is that a little high?

ps Thanks for the single hop base recipe, I've made some great beer lately using that 👌
 
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@Dgallo I'm looking to brew a DIPA version of your recipe this week. Scaling the recipe down how many IBUs would you go with? Currently if got it at 70, do you think that would work or is that a little high?

ps Thanks for the single hop base recipe, I've made some great beer lately using that 👌
I’m glad those beers came out good for you. So to scale down your ibus just multiply your OG by the BU to GU Ratio which is roughly 0.65.

say your target OG Is 1.078. Take 78 x .65 = 50 ibus
 

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I’m glad those beers came out good for you. So to scale down your ibus just multiply your OG by the BU to GU Ratio which is roughly 0.65.

say your target OG Is 1.078. Take 78 x .65 = 50 ibus
That's great, thanks for the tip to calculate the IBUs. Would you recommend just reducing the CTZ at 60 & 10 evenly or would you only knock down the 60 to get the desired effect? Best to leave the WP as it is?
 
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That's great, thanks for the tip to calculate the IBUs. Would you recommend just reducing the CTZ at 60 & 10 evenly or would you only knock down the 60 to get the desired effect? Best to leave the WP as it is?
I’d just knock down the 60 min. You’ll still want the flavor contributions from the later additions
 

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How did this beer turn out?
Actually turned out pretty good. Aroma is great, body is a little thinner than I'd like. However, I think I'll stick to my usual yeast next time. There is a flavor that is tough to describe in the first few sips, I'm not sure if it's the harvested yeast or the vic secret. After my palate adjusts, it's delicious with a tiny booziness at the end.
 
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