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Wait, wait, wait.

Just so we have this situation straight; you are basing your opinion and responses on two beers? Seriously? Why would you be posing advice to others on such a limited sample. Offering your experience is fine, but to tell me or anyone else that I am wrong is crazy talk.

actually I listed 3 beers and it was the Witbier that longer aging really helped. I believe it fermented to warm. I didnt mention another beer that also improved a lot(brewed in july and I didnt like it at 2,3 or even 4 weeks bottle condition)
Those 2 fit the thread.
If I said anyone was wrong, opps. But based on my brews, several threads here and my brew buddies that have been doing this LOTS longer than me I let my bottles condition 4 weeks (or more if needed).
I'm just not in that big of hurry to drink all my beer.
BTW The Scotch Ale is great and was very good at bottling time even. So guess i should not have mentioned it here.
 
Interesting. I had always thought Witbiers did not age well at all. I will have to hold onto a few bottles I recently brewed and see how they hold up a few months from now when the weather heats up.

I have heard that too and was pleasantly surprised. Mine was feremented to warm so YMMV
 
throwin in the towel. I'm dumpin my Raspberry Wheat........it'll be 6 weeks in the bottle and it's not getting better.I need the bottles as I have other beer to bottle this weekend ......

Your beer, do what you want... but six weeks in the bottle is nothing. Fruit beers commonly take longer to "get right".
 
Your beer, do what you want... but six weeks in the bottle is nothing. Fruit beers commonly take longer to "get right".

That is true for traditional Belgian fruit beers or sours, but not for light and easy to drink styles like a typical raspberry wheat. I brewed a cherry wheat last summer that was ready,including bottle conditioning, in about four weeks. These styles are typically best when they are fresh.
 
throwin in the towel. I'm dumpin my Raspberry Wheat........it'll be 6 weeks in the bottle and it's not getting better.I need the bottles as I have other beer to bottle this weekend ......

is the only problem the carbonation? i seem to remember a discussion about that.
 
Yeah, my ESB was too far gone.

It tasted a little better today than before. But in this ESB the S stood for Sour. We still have some bottles so I'll keep tabs on it but I have a severe doubt that it will be better.

Sour is likely an infection, which will get worse with time, not better.
 
Sour is likely an infection, which will get worse with time, not better.

I can go along with this. If sour is the flaw - and its actually sour, not tart, not sharp, not unexpectedly fruity - then yeah, you may well be looking at an infection.
 
Your beer, do what you want... but six weeks in the bottle is nothing. Fruit beers commonly take longer to "get right".

Um, I don't drink them, but from what I understand fruit beers (excepting the high gravity ones) are best enjoyed fresh. Generally stronger beers are better after they have mellowed out a bit. Having mostly to do with the alcohol content.

What is it about a fruit beer that makes them take longer?
 
Sour is likely an infection, which will get worse with time, not better.

It was my hunch all along that it was infected. Basically the bucket it fermented with was stained so I'm sure there were some wild yeast living in there that didn't get sanitized away. Needless to say my brother is using that now as a weeding/gardening bucket.
 
Welp, I always preach to my kids to own your mistakes, so I'm gonna own this one.

Not sure where I got the idea that fruit beers took longer, but two different guys who really know what they are doing have called me on it. Clearly, I have misunderstood something, here, and was talking out of the incorrect orifice.

Let the record show that I did not know what I was talking about on this issue!
 
By use of evil magic, I am enjoying a beer after 6 days in the bottle. I know proven science says that the carbonation I am enjoying isn't possible or real, but it tastes delicious and fresh all the same...

What devilry is this. I wanted to call your BS and tried one after 5 days in the bottle. What the heck. Great carbonation and solidly delicious. 1.090 grain to glass in 2 weeks.

Yes, I'm sure it'll change with conditioning, but this ridiculously fresh in-your-face hopped beverage I just enjoyed has been better than anything I've let age.
 
So i opened my first bottle of the batch that sat in the fermenter for 5 months. It turned out awesome! 2 and a half weeks in a bottle and perfect carbonation! patience is a virtue and of course....NEVER DUMP YOUR BEER!
 
Update...just opened up a bottle of my Raspberry Wheat after moving some of the bottles to a warmer part of the house. I'm getting carbonation, but there is no head. Now what?

Define what you mean by carbonation but no head.

Do you get bubbles when you pour, but they disappear?

Head retention is often a problem with your glassware. If you are using many detergents to clean yur glasses, head just melts away.
 
Define what you mean by carbonation but no head.

Do you get bubbles when you pour, but they disappear?

Head retention is often a problem with your glassware. If you are using many detergents to clean yur glasses, head just melts away.

Also if you used dish soap to clean the bottles, the residual soap will kill the head before it forms.
 
Brewed an Octoberfest back in August, been periodically opening them with most being cidery (2nd brew ever for me). Had a 6 pack in my mini fridge and decided to open one this past Thursday. And it was surprisingly good. The cider flavor was gone and it was a pleasure to enjoy. Gave one to the wife and she really enjoyed. Really thought this was a loss and I was just a terrible brewer (may still be true) but time seems to cute the evil.
 
Brewed an Octoberfest back in August, been periodically opening them with most being cidery (2nd brew ever for me). Had a 6 pack in my mini fridge and decided to open one this past Thursday. And it was surprisingly good. The cider flavor was gone and it was a pleasure to enjoy. Gave one to the wife and she really enjoyed. Really thought this was a loss and I was just a terrible brewer (may still be true) but time seems to cute the evil.

Nice.
 
New brewers, and those who have ever dumped a beer, or contemplated dumping a beer come pull up some chairs, Uncle Revvy has a story he wants to tell you....It is a tale that teaches some important lessons...

1)Never give up on a beer.

2)Never dump a batch unless it has mold or other noticeable signs of infection confirmed by a brewer with more experience than you. Or if it tastes, as Evan says, "like Satan's anus."

3)Always see your bottled beer through the complete conditioning/carb process....And if it still taste "funny" give it a couple more months.

4)Never ever panic about making mistakes and ruining your beer.

5)Never ever believe that you beer is frail, weak or easily "damaged." It really is hard to ruin your beer, no matter what bonehead n00b mistake you may think you made...

6)Have patience....have Patience...have Patience....

7)Give the yeasties the props they deserve, never doubt them, and Never Ever Rush Them!!! Let them do the job they are made to do...and let them see that job through til the end...(That means leave them at least a week beyond fermentation to clean up...or like me, leave it for 3-4 weeks.)


So here's the story...

Once upon a time, on April 7th to be exact, I brewed a batch of my house amber ale, a simple extract with grains recipe that tastes dead on like Bell's Amber Ale.

I pitched it with a batch of Pacman Yeast that I harvested from a couple bottles of Shakespeare Stout.

On April the 8th we had a surprise heat snap during the day while I was at work. I hadn't yet set up any summer temp control. My loft faces West....When I left for work it was in the low 40's....But with the sudden heat snap, when I came home in the Evening it was 88 degrees in my loft....Think about this....I pitched my yeast the afternoon before, and when I came home the ambient temp of the loft, with the thermostat located right next to my brew closet read 88 degrees during the most crucial period of fermentation, the first 12 hours.

Remember fermentation is thermo elastic...it gives off heat during fermentation...so if the outside surface of the bucket was reading 88...consider that the fermentation temp was another 5-10 degrees higher inside the bucket...The mid to upper 90's are definitely not Ideal temps for ale yeasts...

Yeast at too high a temp produces all matter of off flavors.

Add to the fact that I was not necessarily using a "clean" strain of pacman like out of a smack pack....this was bottle harvested, and since I don't have a "clean room" lord knows what could have been growing along side the pacman.....But either way growing from a couple slugs of yeast, into a large starter...even slowly is going to mean that there is a greater potential to have greatly more stressed yeast, than from a tube or smack pack....

Stressed Yeast can also produce off flavors...

So 3 weeks later when I went to bottle it I noticed a taste that could best be described as "bubblegum." Definitely NOT the post fermentation taste of other versions of this beer.... I couldn't taste the delicious Cascade hops, I couldn't taste any caramelness of the malts....I only tasted bubblegum.....

OK kids....don't be shy...How many of you would have either dumped this batch....Or at least started an "is my beer ruined" thread? Uh huh...come on I know there's at least one of you....Ah, there....Thanks for being brave and acknowledging it...look at all the others who now stuck their hands up....

So what did I do? I went ahead a bottled it....Did I taste it after one week? NO....Two? Uh uh....Did I open one after the third week? You bet your sweet aunties panties I waited three weeks before even opening a single bottle....

What do you think I found? A perfect beer? Or more Bubblegum?

Yep...bubblegum it was....Both in taste and smell...After all that was a hot fermentation, or maybe the yeast WAS screwed up....I'll never know WHAT exactly went wrong....

But I didn't give up on this beer....back in the brew closet it went...A few weeks went by while it sat dark and forgotten in my closet...Until a few weeks back, maybe mid june, when my pipeline hit a crucial low...

I dug the bottles out of the closet and started drinking them....They were less bubblegummy...but still the taste was noticeable...It didn't make you want to hurl...but it just wasn't that great a beer...but I drank them all over the ensuing weeks, til my other, better beers came online...Soon the bad beer was long gone and forgotten...

Or so I thought....

Friday after bottling a batch of beer, I was shuffling my storage closet around, bring beers that will be ready soon to the front...And grabbing a few different bottles to chill up for the weekend...To my surprise there was one bottle with the code for the bubblegum beer on the cap.

It went into the fridge with the rest of them.

Tonight when I got home I reached in the fridge and grabbed the first bottle I could see without reading the caps, and cracked it open and had a long after work draw.....

It tasted dead on like my Amber Ale...So good I had to make sure it wasn't from the batch before the bubblegum batch. But no...it was indeed the bottle I had dug out of the back of the closet on Friday...

It tasted beautifully of Caramel malts and had the crisp bite of cascade hops...It tasted and smelled like it should have, maybe even better than all the other batches of it (perhaps because of the pacman yeast)....I could have submitted it for competition, I may not have placed but I wouldn't have had to hang my head in shame either...

It had amazingly transformed, thanks to our friends the yeasties into a crystal clear, and clean tasting beer, exhibiting no off flavors, no hint of any bubblegum...no hint of high fermentation/fusel alchohols...

It was simply delicious beer!!!!!:tank:

People I can't stress this enough...Do not dump a beer because it doesn't taste good right away...even after 3 weeks...just stick it aside, let the yeasts keep swimming around cleaning up their messes (both in the carboy and the bottle) let the Co2 in the beer do it's thing as well helping the "Volatile chemicals break down into more benign ones, and longer protein chains settle out."

Or like spaghetti sauce and chilli, let the flavors marry and balance out...

You will be surprise at the magic that happens when you get out of the way...

The sad ending of the story is that the old saying is true;

That "the best beer in any batch, is the last one...":(

So stick at least one beer of every batch aside, no matter how bad it was, or how dissapointing, put a date on the bottle...and one day, 6 months or a year down the road, chill them down...and savor the magic!

You won't regret it.


:mug:

(Story time is over, kiddies, it is time for Ale and Cookies! And if you like this story, then Prost the thread, so more people can read it, and maybe together, we can help stamp out the alcohol abuse that is prematurely dumped beer!)

Edit There's an update to THIS beer here, Revvy's further adventures with this beer. It wasn't gone.


If it wasn't for you, I would have never gotten to taste the better half of my incredibly bitter ale. I was so close to pouring the whole thing down the drain, thats when I read this! After secondary and 4 weeks of bottle conditioning it was bitter like hell and no signs of carbonation. 6 more weeks and the bitterness has mellowed drastically! And now I can even see the bubbles rising to the top! :) Few more weeks and I should be having a tasty beer! Thank You
 
Never dump is right. I'll brew another batch if need be and wait for my initial batch to get itself together!
 
This gives me hope for my very flat and very sweet beer bottled in the closet right now. I mean I wouldn't dump it, who would do such a thing? But at the very least I'm going to let it do it's thing for a couple of months.:D
 
I have to give my 2 cents, I had a pumpkin beer that I accidentally dropped the racking cane on the floor, forgot to wash it off, and put it back into the beer while transferring to secondary. At the time the beer tasted great! However as luck would have it, it turned sour and not very good. Definitely got some bugs in there. School and work took over, I forgot about it and about 4 months it started tasting like a pretty good sour beer. So I am still leaving it alone (been 7 months thus far) and it's getting better and better.

My second experience was that I had a very large beer (11.5% ABV) that started to taste like soy sauce. So I ended up re-pitching some champagne yeast just to bottle it and get it out of my secondary. Ultimately, now there is no sign of soy sauce! Not even a little bit. Took a while (3 months or so) but I waited it out and it got lots better (with a little help probably from the yeast friends!).
 
I've got two stories along these lines:
1. Cascadian Dark Lager- 3 weeks after bottling almost no hop flavor, just like a slightly hoppy stout. 6 weeks post, the hops have come to the fore and it's quite enjoyable now.
2. Mocha Cherry Stout- 3 weeks post, way too strong with the coffee and tasted like compost. Almost dumped this one. But now 6 weeks post, the compost flavor is gone, and the coffee is toning down. Still not enough chocolate notes, but getting better every week.
 
I brewed an extract Dunkel-Weisen, using LME, and probably scorched the extract. I put it in at the first, and boiled it really good. So now my kegged Dunkel is pretty harsh. Will it get better as it ages in the keg?
 
I brewed an extract Dunkel-Weisen, using LME, and probably scorched the extract. I put it in at the first, and boiled it really good. So now my kegged Dunkel is pretty harsh. Will it get better as it ages in the keg?

If it's scorched, that probably won't improve.
 
abSchenk said:
Okay here's one for you, I brewed a batch of APA before I left to visit family over the new year (which by the way was way darker than it should have been, a question for another thread I suppose). When I left super early on Dec 26th there was little to no sign of fermentation munch to my chagrin. It was brewed on Dec 22 (i live at 8750', my fermentations seem to lag), but I hoped to be through the thick of it before I left and was going to keg on my return. Well, apparently some time after we left the house fermentation went gang busters as it blew the stopper right out of my carboy :( On return to the homestead on Jan. 5 I found my beer with a thick, dried foam around the carboy opening (almost completely capped itself off, but not quite), I'm guessing it spent about 7 days like that. .... so, I'm wondering, do I siphon this off to a secondary & wait to see if anything nasty grows?, do I dump a couple of Lambics in there and try to sour it?, do I keg it & hope for the best in a couple of weeks?, or should I bottle it & forget it for a year?....any thoughts?

Hi All!! Many of you chimed in on this one, and all of you convinced me to keep it, well, the results are .... It was one of the best beers I've brewed yet!!! Thank you all for installing Inge the confidence I needed, what a shame it would've been if this went down the drain!

Cheers!
 
New brewers, and those who have ever dumped a beer, or contemplated dumping a beer come pull up some chairs, Uncle Revvy has a story he wants to tell you....It is a tale that teaches some important lessons...

1)Never give up on a beer.

2)Never dump a batch unless it has mold or other noticeable signs of infection confirmed by a brewer with more experience than you. Or if it tastes, as Evan says, "like Satan's anus."

3)Always see your bottled beer through the complete conditioning/carb process....And if it still taste "funny" give it a couple more months.

4)Never ever panic about making mistakes and ruining your beer.

5)Never ever believe that you beer is frail, weak or easily "damaged." It really is hard to ruin your beer, no matter what bonehead n00b mistake you may think you made...

6)Have patience....have Patience...have Patience....

7)Give the yeasties the props they deserve, never doubt them, and Never Ever Rush Them!!! Let them do the job they are made to do...and let them see that job through til the end...(That means leave them at least a week beyond fermentation to clean up...or like me, leave it for 3-4 weeks.)


So here's the story...

Once upon a time, on April 7th to be exact, I brewed a batch of my house amber ale, a simple extract with grains recipe that tastes dead on like Bell's Amber Ale.

I pitched it with a batch of Pacman Yeast that I harvested from a couple bottles of Shakespeare Stout.

On April the 8th we had a surprise heat snap during the day while I was at work. I hadn't yet set up any summer temp control. My loft faces West....When I left for work it was in the low 40's....But with the sudden heat snap, when I came home in the Evening it was 88 degrees in my loft....Think about this....I pitched my yeast the afternoon before, and when I came home the ambient temp of the loft, with the thermostat located right next to my brew closet read 88 degrees during the most crucial period of fermentation, the first 12 hours.

Remember fermentation is thermo elastic...it gives off heat during fermentation...so if the outside surface of the bucket was reading 88...consider that the fermentation temp was another 5-10 degrees higher inside the bucket...The mid to upper 90's are definitely not Ideal temps for ale yeasts...

Yeast at too high a temp produces all matter of off flavors.

Add to the fact that I was not necessarily using a "clean" strain of pacman like out of a smack pack....this was bottle harvested, and since I don't have a "clean room" lord knows what could have been growing along side the pacman.....But either way growing from a couple slugs of yeast, into a large starter...even slowly is going to mean that there is a greater potential to have greatly more stressed yeast, than from a tube or smack pack....

Stressed Yeast can also produce off flavors...

So 3 weeks later when I went to bottle it I noticed a taste that could best be described as "bubblegum." Definitely NOT the post fermentation taste of other versions of this beer.... I couldn't taste the delicious Cascade hops, I couldn't taste any caramelness of the malts....I only tasted bubblegum.....

OK kids....don't be shy...How many of you would have either dumped this batch....Or at least started an "is my beer ruined" thread? Uh huh...come on I know there's at least one of you....Ah, there....Thanks for being brave and acknowledging it...look at all the others who now stuck their hands up....

So what did I do? I went ahead a bottled it....Did I taste it after one week? NO....Two? Uh uh....Did I open one after the third week? You bet your sweet aunties panties I waited three weeks before even opening a single bottle....

What do you think I found? A perfect beer? Or more Bubblegum?

Yep...bubblegum it was....Both in taste and smell...After all that was a hot fermentation, or maybe the yeast WAS screwed up....I'll never know WHAT exactly went wrong....

But I didn't give up on this beer....back in the brew closet it went...A few weeks went by while it sat dark and forgotten in my closet...Until a few weeks back, maybe mid june, when my pipeline hit a crucial low...

I dug the bottles out of the closet and started drinking them....They were less bubblegummy...but still the taste was noticeable...It didn't make you want to hurl...but it just wasn't that great a beer...but I drank them all over the ensuing weeks, til my other, better beers came online...Soon the bad beer was long gone and forgotten...

Or so I thought....

Friday after bottling a batch of beer, I was shuffling my storage closet around, bring beers that will be ready soon to the front...And grabbing a few different bottles to chill up for the weekend...To my surprise there was one bottle with the code for the bubblegum beer on the cap.

It went into the fridge with the rest of them.

Tonight when I got home I reached in the fridge and grabbed the first bottle I could see without reading the caps, and cracked it open and had a long after work draw.....

It tasted dead on like my Amber Ale...So good I had to make sure it wasn't from the batch before the bubblegum batch. But no...it was indeed the bottle I had dug out of the back of the closet on Friday...

It tasted beautifully of Caramel malts and had the crisp bite of cascade hops...It tasted and smelled like it should have, maybe even better than all the other batches of it (perhaps because of the pacman yeast)....I could have submitted it for competition, I may not have placed but I wouldn't have had to hang my head in shame either...

It had amazingly transformed, thanks to our friends the yeasties into a crystal clear, and clean tasting beer, exhibiting no off flavors, no hint of any bubblegum...no hint of high fermentation/fusel alchohols...

It was simply delicious beer!!!!!:tank:

People I can't stress this enough...Do not dump a beer because it doesn't taste good right away...even after 3 weeks...just stick it aside, let the yeasts keep swimming around cleaning up their messes (both in the carboy and the bottle) let the Co2 in the beer do it's thing as well helping the "Volatile chemicals break down into more benign ones, and longer protein chains settle out."

Or like spaghetti sauce and chilli, let the flavors marry and balance out...

You will be surprise at the magic that happens when you get out of the way...

The sad ending of the story is that the old saying is true;

That "the best beer in any batch, is the last one...":(

So stick at least one beer of every batch aside, no matter how bad it was, or how dissapointing, put a date on the bottle...and one day, 6 months or a year down the road, chill them down...and savor the magic!

You won't regret it.


:mug:

(Story time is over, kiddies, it is time for Ale and Cookies! And if you like this story, then Prost the thread, so more people can read it, and maybe together, we can help stamp out the alcohol abuse that is prematurely dumped beer!)

Edit There's an update to THIS beer here, Revvy's further adventures with this beer. It wasn't gone.

Hi Revvy, Thanks once again for this thread. I have a story for you:

---- EARLY JANUARY -----
I bottled my american ale half way through the carboy since I ran out of bottles, quite a stupid thing to do. After few days, a mold developed at the surface of the leftover beer in the carboy as in the pic. I cracked open 1 bottle only to find it was sour as hell and no signs of carbonation/head even after 3 months in the bottle!

----- A MONTH AGO------
I added some honey to the second half (left over from bottling the first half, which was infected with pellicin in the carboy) and a packet of safale dry yeast. It fermented for a day and showed no spores post addition of the yeast.

----- 2 WEEKS AGO -----------
I bottled the second half 2 weeks back (added priming sugar to the bottles individually).

----PRESENT DAY------
I finally cracked open 1 bottle after 2 weeks of bottle conditioning. The results are astounding. As you can see from the image, my beer has transformed from pellicle - to - undrinkably sour - to - delicious beer with an incredibly think head very similar to belgium beers. In fact the head was so thick I needed a spoon to show me the way :ban:

1.jpg

2.jpg
 
I'm a noob to the site and the world of brewing. I made a Saison about 3 weeks ago. Been sitting in the primary. Racked into a secondary to let it age for a bit. Got so excited at how it tasted when I opened the primary and sampled that I forgot to sanitize the outside of the siphon tube. Ran sanitized the inside of the tube but forgot to soak the outside. Didn't realize what I did until it was to late. Very worried that I ruined it. everything else that came into contact with it was sanitized. Could cost a great batch of Saison.
 
I'm a noob to the site and the world of brewing. I made a Saison about 3 weeks ago. Been sitting in the primary. Racked into a secondary to let it age for a bit. Got so excited at how it tasted when I opened the primary and sampled that I forgot to sanitize the outside of the siphon tube. Ran sanitized the inside of the tube but forgot to soak the outside. Didn't realize what I did until it was to late. Very worried that I ruined it. everything else that came into contact with it was sanitized. Could cost a great batch of Saison.
ain't got nothing to worry about

i literally sat a beer (edit: wort) outside with no airlock and no yeast for a week and couldn't manage to pick up a decent infection.
 
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