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BeerSlinger said:
Right now i'm looking looking at these prices (and I want to buy in bulk because of shipping).....

-50lbs of DME @ $138
-50lbs of Corn Sugar @ $32

If anyone knows how to get it cheaper let me know......because even though I'm out to get away from the cheap stuff.....that doesn't mean that I want to be bled white while trying to chase a good beer recipe......

Brewing with corn syrup instead of DME would have you end up with something that tasted terrible. The malt is what gives beer its flavor. If you used only corn syrup, you'd have an awful tasting drink. It would have alcohol in it, sure, but it would be undrinkable, I think. I'm pretty sure it would be like a really nasty cider.
 
Torchiest said:
Brewing with corn syrup instead of DME would have you end up with something that tasted terrible. The malt is what gives beer its flavor. If you used only corn syrup, you'd have an awful tasting drink. It would have alcohol in it, sure, but it would be undrinkable, I think. I'm pretty sure it would be like a really nasty cider.

Corn syrup.......where are you getting that from?......Rice syrup was mentioned earlier but not corn.....

You mean corn sugar?........all I listed that for was as a primer.......I know that's alot of primer but like I said....I'd rather buy it once and not have to worry......
 
Sorry, I that my mistake. I meant to type corn sugar. Still, using corn sugar instead of DME would make a bad beer. It's only used sparingly to carbonate the beer when it's bottled, and a lot of home brewers don't even use it for that. I'm going to try DME for bottling on my next batch, as a matter of fact. Sorry for the mix up.
 
Well, just as an FYI the 50lb bag of corn sugar, if only used to prime, will last you for about 160 5-gallon batches. It's entirely possible (some would say more tha likely) that long before you fill your 7,680th bottle, you'll be kegging... :D
 
Torchiest said:
Sorry, I that my mistake. I meant to type corn sugar. Still, using corn sugar instead of DME would make a bad beer. It's only used sparingly to carbonate the beer when it's bottled, and a lot of home brewers don't even use it for that. I'm going to try DME for bottling on my next batch, as a matter of fact. Sorry for the mix up.

Oh, I see, I only meantioned it because it was in the parpazian book.....
 
the_bird said:
Well, just as an FYI the 50lb bag of corn sugar, if only used to prime, will last you for about 160 5-gallon batches. It's entirely possible (some would say more tha likely) that long before you fill your 7,680th bottle, you'll be kegging... :D

Well, I don't completely know right now.....I'm doing a little research into wine and I haven't asked the guys what types of sugar they use when they make a non-grape biased wine.....

Plus I also plan to expand into soda so there are many place for it to go......I just haven't done all of the academic and practical research on it......
 
Corn sugar can be used to boost the ABV without changing the malt or flavor profile. Using more than a pound in a 5 gallon batch isn't a good idea, because then the ABV/IBU ratio would be too far off.

You can use it in soda, but it will take a little experimenting on sweetness levels. Corn sugar is pure dextrose and many people find this less sweet than table sugar (sucrose).

50 pounds is a lot, in any case.
 
david_42 said:
Corn sugar can be used to boost the ABV without changing the malt or flavor profile. Using more than a pound in a 5 gallon batch isn't a good idea, because then the ABV/IBU ratio would be too far off.

You can use it in soda, but it will take a little experimenting on sweetness levels. Corn sugar is pure dextrose and many people find this less sweet than table sugar (sucrose).

50 pounds is a lot, in any case.

Yes, I'm planning to stick to 5 gallons every step of the way for beer, wine will probabily be the same story. Since I have to fly by the seat of my pants with pop I will probabily just expariment in two liter and then kick it up to 5 gallon when I make one that I like.....

Oh, I didn't know that it was less sweat......I've been thinking about making a thread over just sugar on the winemakingtalk.com to see what the differences are between the different types....both for taste and usage......
 
For what it's worth, when I make fruit wines, I use just regular table sugar boiled and dissolved in water for a simple sugar syrup. I never even thought of using corn sugar. Regular table sugar is cheap and easy, and very easy to find recipes for regular fruit wines.

Lorena
 
david_42 said:
Corn sugar can be used to boost the ABV without changing the malt or flavor profile. Using more than a pound in a 5 gallon batch isn't a good idea, because then the ABV/IBU ratio would be too far off.

You can use it in soda, but it will take a little experimenting on sweetness levels. Corn sugar is pure dextrose and many people find this less sweet than table sugar (sucrose).

50 pounds is a lot, in any case.

Yeah, I've been struggeling with the names.....I've been thinking about starting a thread over sugar and the many types when I get closer to needing the knowledge......

That's something that I would like to put to rest....
 
lorenae said:
For what it's worth, when I make fruit wines, I use just regular table sugar boiled and dissolved in water for a simple sugar syrup. I never even thought of using corn sugar. Regular table sugar is cheap and easy, and very easy to find recipes for regular fruit wines.

Lorena

Well, I just wasn't sure......I'm struggeling enough with beer right now, I don't expect to get into wine this summer because of the fermenting tempretures.

If I had known what I know now I wouldn't have made an Ale my first because I love to have my house at 45-55 degrees.......clearly I should have done a lager.......In the summer I set the centeral Air to 75 degrees at the highest so that is much more conducive to the wine yeasts that I have seen.....

But don't presume that I know that yeast to use because I don't, I've asked but I haven't gotten a response on that and I have so much research to do on that subject it isn't even funny.....
 
Boy oh boy... settle down. Hehe. It's like you've got your mind all made up, you know what you're good at, you know what you know, and you know what will work for you. Alas, I fear, you may be missing out on the good advice of people in the process.

Me, I know little of brewing beer, but I know there is a natural progression to things. There is a cycle to life. And you should follow it. There is a reason for it. You suggested making wine in the summer. But I suggest making it in the late fall- you know... around the time that grapes are harvested. Doesn't that make sense? Aren't fresh grapes better than 9 month old grapes? I always thought so. Brew lagers in the winter when temps are colder. Ales in the summer. And shoot firecrackers on the Fourth of July. It makes sense, right?

Ok, you agree that there's a progression to these things. Well there's also a progression and a cycle in learning a new skill. Don't get too ahead of yourself. Like you, I'm not starting with a "kit"... just some recipes. But besides that, I'm keeping my ambitions low- because I'm already sticking my neck out by not going with a kit. And I'm reading a HELL of a lot before I even get started. And I'm drinking a lot too.. but I prefer, of course, to call it "research".

So my advice is to Read Read Read. Don't question or disagree with ANYTHING you read until you've either got a solid experiential reason for disagreeing, you've read contradicting information from experts, or you truly feel that to follow the advice would result in a danger to yourself or others.


Here's how I see your current situation. You like Mass-Porduced Ice Beer. You've tried Sam Adams. And those are you basis for deciding your objectives. But as I see it, you still have sooo much more tasting to do! In the past three weeks, I have sampled over 34 different beers.

At one brewpub, I had a sampler of 10 beers.
At another brewpub, I had two 6-beer samplers.
Those were small glasses ~2.5 ounces each. Nothing big.
Last night my gf brought me a sampler 6 pack from Bell's. We shared it and it is now gone.
I had a Summit ESB
I had a Dogfish Head 60 Minute IPA.
Those were the Microbrews. In addition, I also had a Paulaner Salvator, a Warsteiner Dunkel, a Budweiser, and a Goose Island Bourbon County Stout.

Only five of those were full beers- the others, I shared, split, or got in a small sample size.


Seriously, if Sam Adams is your benchmark for good beer, you have a LOT of learning that you can do before you start brewing. This will greatly accelerate your education. That isn't to say you can't, or shouldn't, just go for it. I'm just saying that it doesn't sound to me like you have an appreciation for the variety that exists out there.

Bottom line, if Ice Beer and Sam Adams are what you are trying to shoot for then, flavorwise, you are on the weak end of beer drinking. I fear you may simply not like flavorful beers at all. Reduce your Malt to about 3 or 4 pounds and use some rice syrup to increase the alcohol volume... at least until you learn what you like.
 

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